An Orthodox rabbi agrees that Isaiah 53 can't be about the nation of Israel, so who is the Suffering Servant? Rabbi Asher Meza argues it's a "song of the martyrs" about every messenger God sent to wicked Israel, while Dr. Brown presses him on vicarious suffering, "by His wounds we are healed," and an exaltation in Isaiah 52:13–15 that no other prophet receives. Recorded July 6, 2017 on The Line of Fire radio show.