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  1. LOL Kasich’s matzot gaffe!

    I saw the video of him speaking with Yeshiva students at a library. He actually had the “ch”utzpah to ask them whether they knew about Joseph!
    I was actually angry at first, but then I started thinking what he might’ve been trying to do was show them the link between Joseph and Jesus (because he’d highlighted the fact that where most other biblical characters were said to have had faults, nothing explicit had been said against Joseph; that the Jews wound up in Egypt because the patriarchs hated Joseph because he’d said that they’d all worship him).

  2. Dr. Brown,
    re: Peter’s Acts 10/11 Vision
    The context of Peter relaying his vision [Acts 11:5] was that of a defense for his having eaten with Gentiles (not merely hanging out with them) [Acts 11:1-4]. Could it be that Peter had understood the vision as having meant that God was accepting the Gentiles together with their food (with a few exceptions)? Why had God chosen to demonstrate that the Gentiles were now to be considered “accepted” through the use of the symbolic imagery of “forbidden” food – i.e., food which belongs to Gentiles (none of them were said to have been “torn”, only that they were among the “forbidden” species)? Why wouldn’t He have chosen some other “forbidden” activity Gentiles were known to have accepted and been practicing – why not (God forbid) homosexual relations? Hey, that’s outside of Torah, too – that could be used to symbolize non-Jews just as well! Isn’t it possible that God was purposefully using this particular symbolic imagery to convey the double-message that God was (aside from drawing a line of distinction between “these” [e.g., eating] and “those” [e.g., homosexual relations] “forbidden” activities) accepting the Gentiles together with their food?

    Now, if Peter had eaten non-kosher food with these people he’d admitted were Gentiles, couldn’t it have been seen as having been a natural consequence of “eat what ever is set before you” in the context of the message flowing out into the non-Jewish nations? In other words, how would one practice that rule with non-Jews? One would eat the food Gentiles would eat – non-kosher food!

    Which brings me to my next point: Peter didn’t defend himself by claiming the people with whom he had eaten had been proselytes (some have claimed that, owing to the fact Cornelius and his household were said to have been God-fearers who had regularly prayed to God [Acts 10:2], that they would naturally have been eating kosher); rather, Peter agreed he’d eaten with Gentiles – i.e., non-Jews – and asserted he’d been justified in that activity!
    Note: being that Jews are to “carefully” keep the Commandments [Dt 28:1], if Peter wasn’t “carefully” observing kosher laws (eating with people he and other Jewish disciples of Jesus had recognized as having been Gentiles – we must assume they were non-Jewish if we are to understand the Jews’ objection to Peter’s having eaten with them – who are most certainly not “careful” to keep kosher in their preparation of their foods which they’d served Peter) one could argue that Peter wasn’t keeping kosher at all. It should also be pointed out that, in connection with this very activity (eating with non-Jews), by the time the occurrence we have recorded in Galatians 2 rolled around, Peter was said to not have living as a Jew but as a Gentile [Gal 2:14]!

    Anyhow, I have obviously prayed about this some.

  3. Moreover:
    i. No less an authority on Jewishness than God, Himself, was the first to specify Cornelius and his household weren’t Jewish (i.e., in the vision [Acts 10:9-16])!
    ii. Peter and the Jewish disciples who had accompanied him to Cornelius’ house were all amazed when it became clear that God had chosen to pour His Spirit out on people who were not Jewish [Acts 10:45] – which thing (God had chosen to save even from among non-Jewish peoples) the Jewish believers in Jerusalem later accepted [Acts 11:18]!

    Again, the reason I am sharing all of this is because I don’t think it is fair to claim Peter ate kosher food at Cornelius’ house.

  4. Dan1el,

    It is definitely not fair to claim that Peter ate any unclean animal meat at Cornelius’ house.

    There is no example of anyone in the NT eating unclean animal meat.

    The issue was that it was unlawful according to Jewish rabbinical law to eat with a gentile or go into his house. This is all that the believers in Jerusalem were concerned with according to the account in scripture. Nothing is said about unclean meat. To speculate further is eisegesis at best and slander and adding to the scripture at worst.

    Acts 11
    2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,
    3 Saying, Thou wentest in to men uncircumcised, and didst eat with them.

    Peter says:

    Acts 10
    28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean…
    34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:
    35 But in every nation he that feareth him, and worketh righteousness, is accepted with him.

    Only those gentiles that fear YHWH and work righteousness are accepted with YHWH. It does not matter if one is a Jew or gentile as far as this goes. YHWH is not a respecter of persons.

    Ro 2:4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance?
    5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
    6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
    7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
    8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
    9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
    10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
    11 For there is no respect of persons with God.

    Peter was taught that we and he are not allowed to simply consider gentiles unclean out of hand, for there are some that are not. The converse is that he and we are not allowed to consider all Jews clean. There are both Jew and gentile that YHWH does not accept and those whom He does accept…because the fear Him and they work righteousness. The former are to be judged. The latter are to be rewarded.

    Dr. Michael Brown, in “Answering Jewish Objections to Jesus”, volume 4, says this of Acts 10:9-16 on page 274-275:

    ‘Now, this has often been interpreted as a
    divine command for Peter to eat treif (i.e.
    unclean food), but the text says nothing of
    the kind. Rather, as Peter was soon to
    understand…”God has shown me that I should
    not call any man impure or unclean.” (Acts
    10:28b). but that is not the point I want to
    emphasize here. Rather, it is Peter’s earlier
    response to the visionary command to kill and
    eat unclean animals…If his Master and Teacher
    had revoked the dietary laws, as some have
    understood Mark 7:19, surely Peter would have
    understood, especially if Peter had been a
    primary source of mark’s information.’

    Shalom

  5. Bo,
    You’ve answered nothing; that being said, in my experience in discussing things with you, I’ve found that there is no amount of Truth anyone can share with you that could make you humbly admit your error so I won’t waste my time [Pr 26:4]. You’re intellectually dishonest.

  6. Dan1el,

    You are good at insults, but you have no answers. Dr. Brown agrees that Peter’s vision does not make it OK to eat unclean animal meat. There is nothing dishonest or intellectually dishonest in my post. There are bad interpretation techniques and eisegesis in you posts. You are trying to read what you want it to say into the passage.

    Shalom

  7. Dan1el,

    Well I guess you will have to take up not wishing me shalom with Messiah who said to salute your enemies and bless those that curse you. I hope it does not bother you too much to know that I have shalom even though you do not wish it to me.

    The readers do not get to decide who is right. The scripture declares the truth and YHWH decides who is right according to that word. Your speculations are lacking in this regard. The passage says what it says. The vision is explained fully by Peter. But I guess that you also think that the chief baker of Pharaoh got to wear a new kind of hat that was for the purpose of feeding the birds instead of accepting the interpretation of scripture. And you undoubtedly think that Gideon rolled big biscuits down the hill to destroy the Midianites. Etc., etc., etc.

    I really do wish you shalom with YHWH, but you will have to stop fighting Him if you want it. The carnal mind just cannot subject itself to YHWH’s law…and thus your speculations and eisegesis are to be expected. These coping mechanisms are just part of your fight against YHWH and His law.

    Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

    But if you care to actually discuss the scripture instead of bantering back and forth…I am game.

    Shalom

  8. Dan1el,

    “You’ve answered nothing; that being said, in my experience in discussing things with you, I’ve found that there is no amount of Truth anyone can share with you that could make you humbly admit your error so I won’t waste my time [Pr 26:4]. You’re intellectually dishonest.”

    Just thought that I would return the above comment back to the sender. I think your statement above proves who will not humbly admit their errors. The attitude of the above statement tells us way more than you would like us to know about you.

    Shalom

  9. Bo,
    1. “But if you care to actually discuss the scripture instead of bantering back and forth”

    Like I said (which thing you ignored, as is your habit), the only reason to discuss anything with you would be to sharpen my arguments against your stone-hard heart (which I’m not going to be doing at the moment) – not to demonstrate truth to someone like yourself who has, in the past, proven himself to be unwilling to yield to truth.

    “Shalom”
    I do not wish any peace or blessing on you since Scripture prohibits me from so doing.

    2 John 1
    10If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, 11for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works.

  10. The general rule of 2 John 1 is that those who preach a false Gospel (e.g., Bo) are not to be welcomed or blessed by believers at all.

    The Law of Faith [Ro 3:27] says God justifies the ungodly [Ro 4:5] apart from the works of the Law [Ro 3:21, 28]; anyone who adds to that is foolish [Gal 3:1], and accursed [Gal 1:6-9, 3:10], being they rebel against God [Ro 10:3].

    The only ones who “keep God’s Commandments” [Ro 3:31, 7:1-6, 8:3, 4, 13:8-10] are the ones who obey [Ro 1:5, 2:8] the Law of Faith; those who disobey the Truth [Ro 2:8] also break the Law of Works – even if and when those rebels claim to keep the Law of Works (e.g., Jews who reject Messiah).

  11. Daniel,

    Interesting comment Bo said to you, “Well I guess you will have to take up not wishing me shalom with Messiah who said to salute your enemies and bless those that curse you.”

    This individual said the exact same thing to me in the past and has NEVER apologized or confessed this, but now he wants to point out this in you.

    You are correct in your observation of him, he never apologizes or admits error at all. You are right not to waste your time because you are casting your pearls before swine.

    Shalom

  12. Brian R.,
    I hear ya’.
    Everyone who frequents this site knows the infamy of “Bo”; those who seek to know and serve God by the Word of His Grace need to do everything to continue moving forwards, and not get side-tracked by taking up the vain arguments about the Law [Ti 3:9] brought up by he and others like him. They will get their penalty for their stubbornness.

  13. Brian and Dan1el,

    Neither of you have admitted your errors nor do you apologize so the pot calls the kettle black once again.

    Actually the passage in 2 John says not to wish anyone “God speed” if he does not bring the doctrine of keeping YHWH’s commandments. Let’s look…but 3 background scriptures:

    Joh 17:17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

    Mt 5:19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    Mt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but /only/ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
    22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
    23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

    Now we look at the context:

    2 John 1
    4 I rejoiced greatly that I found of thy children walking in truth, as we have received a commandment from the Father.
    5 And now I beseech thee, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment unto thee, but that which we had from the beginning, that we love one another.
    6 And this is love, that we walk after his commandments. This is the commandment, That, as ye have heard from the beginning, ye should walk in it.

    (So those that do not keep YHWH’s commandments are lawbreakers and do not do YHWH’s will. They do not keep His law and are not walking in truth and are not loving their neighbor. John tells us this even more plainly in His first letter:

    1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
    3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    You are not keeping YHWH’s law by your own admission, so you are transgressing it and you are not loving YHWH or His children. Sin is the transgression of YHWH’s law, so you are sinning and not confessing it as sin and thus are not being cleansed from all unrighteousness.

    1Jo 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

    1Jo 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

    And you both have proven that you refuse to keep YHWH’s law and thus prove your carnal mindedness.

    Ro 8:7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

    So who is it that should not be wished “God speed”? Let’s look back to the context of 2 John.)

    2 John 1
    9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
    10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
    11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

    (So we see that those that transgress and abide not in Messiah’s doctrine to obey YHWH’s law do not have YHWH. John says it very plainly in his first letter:

    1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
    5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
    6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

    You both admit to not believing that we should keep YHWH’s law/commandments. You do not believe that we should walk as Messiah walked…keeping all of His Father’s commandments. This makes you liars and shows that you do not know YHWH.

    If you do not bring this doctrine of loving and knowing, you are not to be wished “godspeed” nor are you to be allowed into our houses. And I do not wish you “God speed” and you are not welcome in my home.)

    But I can wish both of you shalom as far as me wishing you no harm and as far as I want you to stop fighting YHWH with your carnal minds and thus have real peace with YHWH instead of the false peace of the false prophets.

    Jer 6:14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.
    15 Were they ashamed when they had committed abomination? nay, they were not at all ashamed, neither could they blush: therefore they shall fall among them that fall: at the time that I visit them they shall be cast down, saith the LORD.
    16 Thus saith the LORD, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls. But they said, We will not walk therein.

    Mt 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
    30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

    But thus far you have refused the old paths that bring rest to your souls. This it what Messiah was speaking of when He spoke of rest for our souls…the old paths of obeying YHWH’s law instead of man-made ideas of Judaism and Christianity.

    De 30:11 ¶ For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not too hard for thee, neither is it far off.
    12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?
    13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, and make us to hear it, that we may do it?
    14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

    Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
    23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
    24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
    25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

    YHWH’s perfect law is not a burden, it is rest. Keeping it causes us to be blessed in our deed and keeps us in the paths of righteousness. To not keep His law is to deceive ourselves. If it is not in your mouth (can recite it) and heart (desire to do it), your carnal mind will find it too hard. If you are walking in the new covenant, it will be your desire to keep YHWH’s commandments.

    Shalom

  14. Bo,
    I already pre-empted and answered your rebuttal that 2 Jn 1 was about keeping the Law in particular.

    As far as “keeping the Law”, I also already pre-empted and answered you.

    Again, God, Himself, teaches us to love [1 Th 4:9] – by which the whole Law is fulfilled [Ro 13:8-10].

    etc., etc., etc.,

    You know the drill.

    This is my last response to you here.

  15. Dan1el,

    Whatever you foolishly think you “pre-empted,” you still do not deal with the fact that John and the rest of scripture straightforwardly states that we are not really loving or believing if we do not keep YHWH’s commandments. The whole law is only fulfilled, which means that it is actually kept, when we really love. Without real love we will not care to keep it. With love we apply ourselves to keeping it and thus it is fulfilled. Loving YHWH is keeping His commandments. There is no such thing as fulfilling something without doing it. It is utter foolishness to say that the emotion of love is counted as having actually loved in deed and truth. Your version of love is simply words and sophistry.

    1Jo 3:18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.

    Ex 16:28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

    Ex 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

    Joh 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

    Joh 15:10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.

    YHWH does not accept emotion and words if we refuse to keep His commandments, because it is not real love but only honoring Him with our lips while our hearts are far from Him.

    Mark 7
    6 He answered and said unto them, Well hath Esaias prophesied of you hypocrites, as it is written, This people honoureth me with their lips, but their heart is far from me.
    7 Howbeit in vain do they worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.
    8 For laying aside the commandment of God, ye hold the tradition of men, as the washing of pots and cups: and many other such like things ye do.
    9 And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.

    1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    And so you lay YHWH’s commandments aside to keep your false version of love to keep your own commandments and doctrines of men. Your heart is far from YHWH according to Mark and John.

  16. Dan1el,

    Your version of the law being fulfilled by love is the same as saying that love has replaced YHWH’s law. But according to scripture the law is the specifics and principles of how we are to love. It abides forever and anyone that says that they love YHWH or his neighbor/brother but does not keep YHWH’s commandments is a liar and has deceived himself and is calling Messiah “Lord, lord” without doing YHWH’s will and is living as a lawbreaker.

    1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
    23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
    24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
    25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

    Mt 7:21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord!’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but /only/ the one who does the will of My Father in heaven.
    22 On that day many will say to Me, ‘Lord, Lord, didn’t we prophesy in Your name, drive out demons in Your name, and do many miracles in Your name?’
    23 Then I will announce to them, ‘I never knew you! Depart from Me, you lawbreakers!’

  17. Acts 13:38 Therefore let it be known to you, brethren, that through this Man is preached to you the forgiveness of sins; 39 and by Him everyone who believes is justified from all things from which you could not be justified by the law of Moses.

  18. Hebrews 8:6 But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a better covenant, which was established upon better promises.

  19. It seems that too many Jewish believers do all they can to maintain that the Jews hold a kind of preeminence even under the New Covenant? That their Old Covenant chosen (national) status still figures very significantly and is the basis to grant much tolerance for their hardness and unbelief? Once Mike Brown was asked in a debate what happened to Jews murdered in the holocaust who did not believe in Jesus? And he stated that he did not know? The answer is unless they perished with a true faith in this Jesus who is the promised Messiah they are in the bosom of Abraham but if not then, yes they would have fallen under the wrath of their God as do all sinners who have not repented and believed? Now the question was intended to shame and discredit MiKE Brown but the fact that he equivocated on this point showed the mentality that seems to grant Jews b unwarranted prestige for their rank unbelief? In other words God is judging the nations except Israel because He has this great and glorious promise for their latter day redemption? In the mean time the nation of Israel who have no relationship whatsoever with the laws and commands of the Covenant still hold this special covenant relationship despite the fact that it is a wicked nation no different then all other nations in the world today? Of course Jewish believers will admit this when push comes to shove but you literally have to drive it out of them as they would rather focus on the future glory and restoration? At any rate those who wish to believe that the ceremonial laws pertaining to food, the Sabbath, clothing etc are to be observed by Jewish believers in order to maintain their Jewish identity as they offer a witness to fellow Jews who have yet to receive Jesus or Yeshua as their Messiah has been taken to an extreme? Now while it is understandable that they have this great passion to win over their fellow Jews, and it is commendable to do so, we have to realize that those laws are not obligatory on any followers of Jesus whether Jew or Gentile? The caution that is exhorted in the New Covenant with respect to Jewish believers was due to a lack of maturity and spiritual growth while the transition from Old to New was taking place. God granted patience for those Jews who were new born babes in Messiah. Even the Apostles had a gradual revelation where they were still learning and moving toward a greater or mature understanding of the will of God in Messiah Jesus. All of the wrangling over the law and its relationship to Jewish believers was a matter of controversy due to this transition period? Peter knew full well after his vision that dietary laws had their fulfillment in the person of Jesus and were temporary until the fullness of time had arrived. Again while there were still many who had not come to a resolve on this issue the Apostles used discretion to avoid havoc and disorder as the Assembly was being built up in their most holy and precious faith step by step. And since God was still working powerfully among the Jewish people, to the Jew first etc., it was to be expected that concerns about what was required from Jewish converts as they became members of Messiah’s body regarding how those commands given under the Old Covenant may still apply to this chosen people would naturally arise? What is most important is that meat and drink do not make us righteous and do not determine our faithfulness even for Jewish disciple as Paul says in Colossians chapter 2 and in other places. Why this would be a debate is quite puzzling now that we have the entire revelation of scripture to deal with these points of interest? To argue that no Jew ate foods that were once forbidden under the Old Covenant as an article of faith is simply not exegesis but eisegesis of the New Covenant texts. Or you can say a theology built on a faulty premise? I do believe that Jewish believers who wish to demonstrate how Jesus the Messiah fulfills all of the laws and rituals given under Moses is a matter of conscience and liberty and in no way violate anything written in the New Covenant writings? As long as we understand that this is not obligatory as a rule of obedience for Jewish believers in contradistinction to supposedly non Jewish believers; in other words trying to establish a distinctive Jewish identity apart from the unity and oneness we all share in our great and mighty redeemer? As if there is a Jewish Assembly and a Gentile Assembly? Personally I think that Messianic congregations go too far and give off the impression that they have a higher standing? This may not be intended but it can come across that way? It is also a bewilderment how that you rarely hear Jewish preachers warn fellow Jews about the wrath to come and that believing in Jesus is more than a matter of showing how he fulfilled all of the prophetic scriptures but a solemn warning that Jews are just as lost and unrighteous as any Goy ever was? Jews will suffer the same end as all of the unbelieving world who lie in the hand of the wicked one? This seems to be lacking among Messianic Jews? Jews for Jesus never talk about eternal damnation as if it is not a major feature of the gospel and something Jews not concern themselves with? The bottom line is that Jewish believers can use the dietary laws and other features of the Old Covenant to win other Jews to the Lord but in the right context and manner? Expounding on the types and shadows of the Old Covenant as they pertain to the Messiah and our walk with Him are all well an good but when it comes to making sure that I maintain my Jewishness and the Jewishness of the gospel then something is indeed wrong and the word of God taken in context and as a whole does not support such a faith. Seventh Day Adventists have fallen into the same errors of interpretation on the Sabbath and dietary laws?

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