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re: James, “Orthodox-Jewish-Messianic-Believer”
Clearly, Jesus would never have taught men to submit to the rabbis:
i. He, Himself did not to submit to rabbinic authority, saying it would mean rebellion against God [Mt 15:1-20]. Is it even a possibility that He would have rejected rabbinic teachings as rebellion against God, and yet prescribed that very same rebellion against God as “the ticket to heaven” for others – especially His own disciples? Not at all! How is He going to tell His disciples to, instead, become disciples of men who made God into a liar [1 Jn 5:10]?
ii. He taught that while the rabbis were sons of hell, the rabbis’ disciples were twice the sons of hell that they were [Mt 23:15]! Would Jesus really have prescribed such a teaching as would render men twice a son of hell as the rabbis He denounced? Didn’t He come to save people from their sins [Mt 1:21]? Is the result of being “saved from sin” being under God’s wrath? No, those under His wrath are those who are not part members of His nation – rebels who do not call on His Name and do not know Him [Ps 79:6,7; Ro 10:3, 12, 13; Gal 5:7; 2 Th 1:8].
Jesus knew what He meant when He was saying what ever He was saying – and it certainly was not that His disciples should be rabbis’ disciples. Just as Dr. Brown said, He probably meant it sarcastically; but even if He didn’t mean it sarcastically (and there is some more perfect answer), there is one thing we can know for sure: He could not have expectantly hoped that anyone would submit to the rabbis’ stubborn rebellion / idolatry [1 Sa 15] (on the contrary, it was from this very sort of thing that He came to save us [1 P 1:18]).
Dan1el,
Mt 21:43 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.
44 And whosoever shall fall on this stone shall be broken: but on whomsoever it shall fall, it will grind him to powder.
45 And when the chief priests and Pharisees had heard his parables, they perceived that he spake of them.
I think that even if Messiah said to obey the rabbis (scribes, chief priests and Pharisees), which I doubt that that was His meaning, He definitely said that the vineyard was going to be taken from them and given to others. I think that the others were the apostles and that anyone who believes in Y’shua should not obey the rabbis because those rabbis have been kicked out of the vineyard and have been broken off of the olive tree at this point. Messiah stripped the then in power religious leaders and made fools of them. Therefore they have no authority to teach or command anything in regard to our service to YHWH.
Col 2:15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Messiah stripped the power from the Jewish leaders and took it all to Himself and then He gave His apostles authority to teach and to rule the 12 tribes of Israel in the future.
Mt 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.
So to obey the rabbis is to rebel against Messiah.
Ro 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey…
Shalom
Regarding the topic of the Sabbath, and Seventh Day Adventism, I would check out “Sabbath in Christ” by Dale Ratzlaff. Dale is an ex Seventh Day Adventist pastor and teacher. I benefitted greatly from his book as an ex Armstrongite.
Also, my understanding from SDAs is that they believe Sunday observers are the “other sheep” of John 10:16:
John 10:16 And I have other sheep that are not of this fold. I must bring them also, and they will listen to my voice. So there will be one flock, one shepherd.
As such, they evangelize other Protestants as they don’t believe we are in the best graces with God due to our Sabbath-breaking.
SDAs believe that they are the true church and if Sunday observers don’t join them in the Great Tribulation, they will be under the mark of the Beast and will be lost. They consider Sabbath-breaking to be the Mark of the Beast ultimately.
The true church, in their theology, is the Seventh Day Adventist church due to two signs mentioned in Revelation: the spirit of prophecy (which is Ellen G. White and her teachings) and keeping the Ten Commandments (especially the Sabbath).
One of their other problems is that they do practice abortion in their health care facilities, which involves hacking babies apart in the womb. Abortion is allowed for incest, rape, or congenital birth defects. Externally, in their OWN HEALTH CARE FACILITIES, they perform elective abortions for any legal reason, just like any other health care facility.
In fact, some SDAs are embarrassed by this fact and will not evangelize Roman Catholics because they know their hypocrisy in this regard..allowing abortions and killing infants while accusing Roman Catholics of being Sabbath-breakers.
The reason they are ok with abortion is largely because a child isn’t considered to be living until it takes its first breath, due to their view that mankind is purely physical and doesn’t have a spirit.
I am not a Roman Catholic, by the way. I’m an ordinary evangelical believer, but as an ex Sabbathkeeper I have dealt with them tangentially.
I would also suggest that Proclamation! magazine is an excellent, free quarterly resource if you are an ex Sabbath observer. This magazine is produced by Dale Ratzlaff’s organization.
I would check out this article with regards to the SDA position on abortion:
http://www.lifeassuranceministries.org/proclamation/2014/2/abortioninadvent.html
Here are the Proclamation! magazine issues that I mentioned..you can view in pdf form:
http://www.lifeassuranceministries.org/proclamationmag.html
Here’s link to purchase Sabbath in Christ by Dale Ratzlaff:
http://www.lifeassuranceministries.com/sic.html