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I always thought the Behemoth was a crocodile that is prevalent in the Nile and that area.
I imagine they were much, much larger than at present.
I personally believe it was a sauropod of some sort since this behemoth is said to eat grass, a herbivore. Not sure if we have found evidence of a grass eating Croc. (Job 40:15)
Yes, the Behemoth is clearly a herbivore as per the decription in Job 40. And it had a tale like a cedar, so it was no elephant or hippopotamus. In the last few decades, scientists have realized that dinosaurs held their tails out horizontally and quite rigidly. The enormous Dreadnoughtus was described as having a heavily muscled “weaponized tail” about 30 feet long.
The Leviathan in Job 41 was most likely an extinct giant crocodile called Sarchosuchus, twice as long and eight times as massive as the biggest saltwater crocs of today.
Hi Benjamin and Dr. Sarfati,
It would have helped had I read the passages first. I was actually thinking of Leviathan from Job 41 and not Behemoth from 40. I’ve just read that the crocs of the Nile can reach 20 feet today, so, during the time of Job we can only imagine the lengths they may have attained.
I don’t know what Behemoth and Leviathan are all about, but I don’t want to be put under their dominion. Should I suppose they are merciful, or kind?
God won’t be manipulated will he? Being made in his image, sometimes we think we know something better than we really do, because we have fallen.
The Dominion Mandate of Genesis 1:26–28 was not revoked at the Fall, but made much harder. And you won’t need to worry about being under the dominion of Behemoth and Leviathan, because both Dreadnoughtus (and other sauropods) and Sarcosuchus (or maybe Deinosuchus) are now extinct. Maybe the extinction was partly due to man exercising dominion too harshly and wiping them out. Think of all the dragon legends around the world; humans eventually won.
A great book I bought for my niece recently (10 years old), that I read before I gave to her (Oh yeah, I love Dinosaurs and Dragons!) is: Untold Secrets of Planet Earth: Dire Dragons: http://usstore.creation.com/catalog/untold-secrets-planet-earthdire-dragons-p-1383.html
It goes into some nice detail about dragon legends and artwork from around the world, has great pictures. Dinosaurs before the 1840’s were called Dragons since the word Dinosaur was not invented or coined until the 1840’s. It’s a really good book, specially for the younger ones.
I’ve thought on those dragon legends too. I’m wondering if the book of Job wasn’t so old that the 3 sons of Noah carried the stories in it with them when they populated the earth after the flood. I think parts of the language used to describe the Leviathan was of a poetic nature and perhaps some misunderstood that use of language and took it literally?
Throughout chapter 41 we’re made to visualize him as inhabiting the water and leaving a white wake of water when he moves through it. He’s said to have the eyes of the morning, which ancient Egypt often depicted in their hieroglyphs. I can visualize him very well as sliding across the mud and leaving a trail like a threshing sledge and blowing water from his nostrils that would have looked like smoke. The parts that don’t fit, and are likely poetic language, possibly even for how foul his breath was, concern the fire coming from his mouth. Nowhere, though, are we led to believe he could fly. He inhabits the water and there’s no imagery of his being airborne.
Job 41:19 Out of his mouth go burning lights;
Sparks of fire shoot out.
20 Smoke goes out of his nostrils,
As from a boiling pot and burning rushes.
21 His breath kindles coals,
And a flame goes out of his mouth.
What do you think?
Indeed, and most dragon depictions in history are wingless. Today we usually associate dragons with wings, but that’s the more fanciful imagery we have conjured up. But yes, sometimes wings and other things are added to depict various values or concepts that the artists wanted to convey about quite possibly a historic creature.
As far as the flames, I think it’s quite possible. Take a look at the Bombardier Beetle and its defense mechanism: (Taken from Wikipedia)
The two reactant chemical compounds, hydroquinones and hydrogen peroxide, are secreted by specialized glands and are stored in separate reservoirs in the rear tip of its abdomen. When threatened, the beetle contracts muscles that open the valves of these reservoirs and force the two reactants into a thick-walled mixing chamber lined with cells that produce enzymes including catalases and peroxidases.
In the mixing chamber the enzymes rapidly break down the hydrogen peroxide, releasing free oxygen and catalyzing the oxidation of the hydroquinones into p-quinones. The reaction is very exothermic, and the released energy raises the temperature of the mixture to near 100 °C, vaporizing about a fifth of it. The resultant pressure buildup forces the entrance valves from the reactant storage chambers to close, thus protecting the beetle’s internal organs. The boiling, foul-smelling liquid partially becomes a gas by flash evaporation and is expelled explosively through an outlet valve, with a loud popping sound.
So there are lots of strange things out there even in today’s remaining insect and animal kingdoms. Such as whales that have a unicorn horn on their heads (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSjjHiysBbE), so i’m still very open to more fossil discoveries, etc to see what we dig up or find out there.
That was interesting…so, the expression, “passing gas” has some validity in other species as well.
Here’s a quick read about the tales of dragons from various epochs throughout history. I think they weren’t just “one” kind of animal, but, that different creatures were at different times dubbed, “dragons.”
To think that we have flying fish today which might just seem like a tall tale to someone in the future. I sure do appreciate a mystery though!
Dragons is very akin to the term Dinosaurs, which means “Terrible Lizards”, and is used in reference to a variety of creatures. Very true.
If we are at odds with God, we may find ourselves under some dominion, authority, or power that is either beastly by nature, or devilish.
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