Dr. Brown discusses the biblical call for justice – a foundational Hebrew theme – in light of the controversy surrounding the death of the Eric Garner, then Dr. Brown will speak with Bernard Starr, author of the new book Jesus, Jews, and Anti-Semitism in Art. Listen live here 2-4 pm EST, and call into the show at (866) 348 7884 with your questions and comments.
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What an incredible story of this guest today Bernard Starr. I need to get his book.
I haven’t been able to verify it yet, but, there was a lady who was interviewed on CNN who said Eric Garner was “not” even breaking the law that day. He “was not” selling cigarettes that day. He did have a prior arrest record of 30 some arrests for minor misdemeanors. Hardly a threat to society! They should have gotten off him as soon as he said he couldn’t breathe!!
‘this’ world was ‘built’ on the bringing in of HEAVENLY concepts ONLY of ‘justice’, unto ALL of entirely past, now present, ALSO FUTURE ‘free-will’ expectations ETERNAL, resulting ALL ‘cosmic’ WARS, already EXISTING, before these very foundations (CONTINUING also after ‘this’ world of ‘dust’ to ‘dust’ human free-will ENDING has gone into it’s promised complete ‘neglect’)
Shalom Dr.Brown. I am sorry about my kids screaming in the background. I wanted to say that involuntary manslaughter would have been a misdiminer charge and never would have made it a grand jury. Only felony charges are presented before a grand jury and the officer probably would not have served jail time for involuntary manslaughter.
The officer did get terminated for breaking police policy with the choke hold but again they could not prove intent of murder. I do not support the tragic death and believed it should have been avoided with proper police training.
Thanks again for taking my call and hope to hear from you soon.
The cigarrette tax is getting so high that it is the politicians that have created this black market. Police do not have time to go and bust everyone on the black market. I think the politicians responsible need to answer and not hang the police out to dry.
Nothing the courts do can bring back Eric Garner’s life here. I believe mercy was done.
Because of the nature of police work, if anyone is deserving of mercy concerning manslaughter, are they not the ones? I say this not by virtue of their character, but simply because of the nature of their work. I say this because of the job they have to do.
I’m thinking that Mr. Garner’s mother might get some of what she’s calling for in a civil court.
Now I’m thinking that the reason the man had trouble breathing, could possibly have been the other man or men, who might have been putting pressure on his torso, and it might not have been anything to do with any obstruction of his airway in the area of the neck.
If the Jewishness of Christ has been taken out of art, I suspect it falls upon the shoulders of the Jewish people to bring that back.
What most artists do it seems to me is identify with Christ as they paint or portray him in some way, and even though things like kindness, wisdom, love, and light have no human particular, it still is natural for his likeness to be portrayed, blended into their own likeness.
What I’m wondering right now is about whoever it is that decides which man and what charges would be filed against who and for what depending on what a grand jury might find, because that might be a source of injustice. It’s even possible that politics might get involved. I hope it isn’t so, but corruption might happen on that level. People are known to play a lot of games. It might even be that one might call a certain charge upon a certain individual involved knowing that it would be found to be not justified.
I hope there’s not that kind of corruption going on, but it might be something to consider.
I believe I heard on the news that the mother of Eric Garner, being troubled by the happenings, was shown saying that since the video they had didn’t seem to suffice, that something else should be tried.
So are we all ready for every police officer wearing a camera all the time?
Sometimes I wonder if the news and people in politics use whatever happens for their agenda.
I suppose that’s natural. I wonder if that’s what we all really want. There are reasons for or against such a thing I suppose.
LOFradio or Dr. Brown,
Please consider for Friday Q & A
I recently read that it was illegal for certain sorts of residents of the Roman Empire to carry swords; that if Jesus commanded His disciples to carry swords, He would have, therefore, have been telling them to break the Law.
It is striking that, in contrast to this one possible exception, I always see Him and His disciples upholding the Law of the Land.
The person gave no citation of any Roman Law to prove his assertion.
Well, would Jesus really have been commanding his disciples to break the Law in this case?
Did I hear on the news tonight that Eric Garner said he had trouble breathing 11 times?
I wonder if somebody should have called 911.
I’m thinking cameras on police all the time would tend to divide the public from their local police.
I know of a case from a friend of mine when the local police were abusing someone they were arresting and his friend called 911 to get the sheriff to come to his property to stop it. He was then arrested for obstructing an officer at a crime scene for doing so. Then when his day in court came, there was only static on the police car camera recording that was pointed right at the whole incident. For some strange and fortuitous reason it malfunctioned just for this situation.
Do you really think that human nature will not attempt to cover it’s tail for the sake of a lively hood and of those in their own profession. A team is a team. Traitors are not looked upon very well.
I am not saying that this happens normally or even a lot. It does happen though. Our justice system is broken. It is not real justice when those involved, namely the judges, officers, and politicians, are on the same team against the public and public opinion.
Cameras would not divide the public from the police…they are already divided.
I am glad for service of law officers and I know that they take risks for all of us daily. There should be better accountability and real honesty in the system. The them against us attitude, either from their team or the public toward them, is not a good thing.
The public recording the actions of law officers might help eventually…if it does not turn us all against them as we watch the youtube videos of the conduct of the small percentage arrests gone wrong.
I grew up with a painting of Jesus on a slice of natural wood hanging on the wall of my parents parquet area. It was a painting by the artist Warner Sallman called ‘The Head of Christ’. Fond memories.
Could we not see we need to ‘recover’ the ‘fellow servant’ of John appearance (representing the real Jesus Christ ‘who was dead’, but now ‘alive FOREVERMORE’) in which on Patmos, John fell at this ‘messenger’s sacred FEET’, as a ‘dead man’ even as described in ‘tree of Life Version’ as follows: …”like” the Son of Man, clothed in a robe down to His feet, with a golden belt wrapped around His chest. His head and His hair were WHITE like SNOW, and His eyes like a FLAME of fire. His feet were like polished BRONZE REFINED in a furnace, and His VOICE was like the ROAR of rushing waters…..His face was like the SUN shining at FULL strength (this hardly can be a description of anything but a BRAND NEW, NEVER BEFORE PERCEIVED, never before existed form of MAN, brand new CREATURE “MAN”, even as “ONE NEW MAN”, hard for any ‘artist’ to give this recorded appearance of John’s ‘fellow servant’ as a bright MESSENGER representation of the NOW TRUE hereafter, forevermore “MAN” SEATED ON THE NOW ETERNAL MERCY SEATING at His F-ther’s right hand, whom Stephen saw ‘standing’ (causing even the Jews unto great anger for this clearly meant to them HE WILL DECLARE the JUDGEMENT of His F-ther of both ALL men, and angels, of which ‘anthropos’ all, whether Jew or Gentile were made in their image, WHILE AT HIS RIGHT HAND)
I think cameras on police officers is a good idea. It would serve the public to know they’re being recorded too. Rather a camera then assault weapons, which is what it may come to with the public armed to the hilt these days!!
My nieces fiance is a police officer so I certainly am not against them as a rule. I stand for what’s right and just regardless.
When police take down a man from a standing position to flat on the concrete they must assume some responsibility for him.
I imagine the reason they did not call for an ambulance is because some kind of force exercised upon the man which they used, they deemed to not be so serious as the man claimed, for they likely often are accustomed to those who say the cuffs are too tight and they can’t feel their fingers or something when it’s not really so.
People in custody often complain to police and maybe they tend to not hear so well because of it.
I myself consider that there was some negligence on their part.
I suppose the officers get tired of hearing people complain about their comfort when in custody. Maybe this time they became a little too tired, as the Lord’s disciples did when he prayed in the garden.
My cat seems pretty smart to me. I wonder if I got a picture of a lion and told her that Jesus is like that and he loves her so much, if she would get that..prob’ly not.
I told her that Jesus is bigger than the biggest, strongest lion, and that he loves her. She didn’t seem to mind it.
If our Messiah is YHWH it is wrong to make any image or likeness that is supposed to represent Him. It is also wrong to bow to such an image or likeness.
2Co 4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;
Ex 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;
6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
De 4:15 Take ye therefore good heed unto yourselves; for ye saw no manner of similitude on the day that the LORD spake unto you in Horeb out of the midst of the fire:
16 Lest ye corrupt yourselves, and make you a graven image, the similitude of any figure, the likeness of male or female,
17 The likeness of any beast that is on the earth, the likeness of any winged fowl that flieth in the air,
18 The likeness of any thing that creepeth on the ground, the likeness of any fish that is in the waters beneath the earth:
19 And lest thou lift up thine eyes unto heaven, and when thou seest the sun, and the moon, and the stars, even all the host of heaven, shouldest be driven to worship them, and serve them, which the LORD thy God hath divided unto all nations under the whole heaven.
We are made in YHWH’s image. And we are to be the image that the lost world sees and not some artists rendition that always fails to show YHWH as He is. All art that supposedly portrays Messiah is a false image. Many children and even adults have a notion of YHWH that is false in many ways because of the pictures and statues they have been told represent Messiah.
1Co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.
2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.
I’m sure people “fake” it at times, and each situation being different, it’s highly unlikely that a 300 lb. fellow is going to hop up and run away from 6 police officers.
Of all the people who should be trained to control their emotions, I would hope police officers and military people would be well versed in it. They’re subject to the “flight or fight” response just as we all are, but, they need to learn to control it.
Not only (over many years heard ‘chaplains’ paid BOTH, by the local Captains or Sheriffs, but also taking ‘donations’ as if they can equally, even spiritually, represent the ‘jailed’ equally, as they do the ‘officers’, their personal ‘needs’ of job, family and friends HEARD them testify as to the ‘hat’ they ‘wear’ as fully ‘salaried’ by ‘authorities’, they are, as their ‘client’ police officers TO TAKE PAUL’s letter to the ROMANS in Chapter 13 as written to them as to being a member of the ‘police force’ of the ‘community’. Furthermore, had many of the ‘jailed’ in mostly post incarcerated RELATE it was the ‘chaplain’ who made clear being arrested is to be accepted EVEN if innocent as to the ‘charge’, but that ‘all have’ broken the law at one time or another AND ‘therefore’ the arrests by authorities is totally doing G-d’s work ? BECAUSE ? all have broken laws ? at one time or another ! States get much of their Fed. revenues, from each arrest, from each ‘transportation’, Washington full of politicians who ran on ‘tough on crime’ passed laws which keeps arrests AS TOP PRIORITY, even as a traffic ‘cop’ knows ‘each ticket’ brings in revenue for the community organizers, politicians, salaries, union dues, everything which otherwise might have been brought in by taxes in a robust economy. Camera’s will not solve ANYTHING, but a return to more effort in separating the ‘mentally impaired’ from non-mental crime passions ESPECIALLY in ‘lockup’, would be far better use of ‘money taken in from the Feds’ whether by new legislation or the old (based upon so-called ‘tough on crime’ politics)
According to the writer of Hebrews, not even ‘police officers’, nor their ‘chaplains’, or any other ‘hirelings’ were made in the image of YHWH ! (made in the image of ‘angels’ ? YES and we know many ‘angels’ have left their ‘first given, assigned estate’, while MADE IN eternal ‘FREE-WILL’, eternally)
Sheila, Camera’s on policeman or not the police should have assumed after Rodney King that they are on camera at all times. Since Rodney King in fact we all should assume that we are on camera at all times, in a way we are all actions are known to G_d.
This story on Eric Garner gets more developed as it goes on. Now I hear about asthmatic attack and EMTs.
One thing about Eric Garner, if he was a lion when the hold was first put on him, he ended his life as a lamb, last words being, “I can’t breathe.”
From what I could get from the news just now, the grand jury would need to find a criminal charge to find grounds for file charges against the police, and I think this applies not only to the Eric Garner case but also Michael Brown’s.
And I wonder, “What criminal charge could there be?” Murder?, Assault?
I believe there was some negligence in the care for another’s life here, but I don’t think that is a punishable crime under the law.
And Manslaughter? I don’t know the law very well, but I think because these are police officers in the performance of their duty (whether good performance or poor) I think we should go along with some mercy here because of the nature of their work, the job they are required to do, day in and day out.
So maybe the criminal court isn’t the place for this here, but rather it’s more of a civil matter.
If civilians would have done what happened here, it would have been a crime.
It seems our justice system is being shaken.
I heard on the news that there’s a possibility that federal charges could be filed in the Garner case, and something could come of it if it can be proven that his constitutional rights were violated.
I’m thinking, How about the right to breathe?
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