Dr. Brown Interviews Actor Kevin Sorbo and Messianic Jewish Leader Jonathan Bernis

1. As a Catholic, I believe that the Church is Israel. I subscribe to replacement theology. Although replacement theology has led to anti-Semitism, it is not necessarily, in and of itself, an anti-Semitic viewpoint. Dr. Brown, I think, would agree with this, especially since he does not “divide over” the minor theological peculiarities of the denominations. The Second Vatican Council issued important documents which, while not repudiating supersessionism, affirmed that the Jews, corporately, should not be accused of killing Christ, and that hatred of Jews should not be tolerated. Pius XII held to this, famously stating during the Holocaust that Christians are “spiritual semites.” Now, it is not anti-Semitic to say that God opened Israel (that is, the new and spiritual Israel, the Church) to the inclusion of all peoples, and that all peoples can inherit the promises to Abraham. When Augustine speaks of “the Jews,” he is referring, as St. John did, to the people who ejected themselves from the covenant in their rejection of the Messiah. Augustine’s language is not charitable, and there were streams of anti-Semitism in the Christianity of his day. “The Jews,” as such, were seen not as the chosen people, but as a people no longer in the fellowship of God, but precisely because the majority of Jews rejected Christ. This is a historical reality. The Jews began to define themselves as a people who rejected the Messiah. In so doing, they no longer maintained their identity as the Israel of the Old Covenant, but became a wholly different organization. However, every Jewish person can inherit the promises which God gave to Israel, if he or she enters the New Covenant, which is open to all men, irrespective of ethnicity. There can be no chosenness apart from an acceptance of Jesus Christ. Moreover, there can be no fellowship with God apart from Christ, only enmity. This is not an anti-Semitic belief, although many Christians, especially European Catholics, have used this to promote policies of vitriol against the Jews, and this must be recognized. That the Christian people are the People of God, this is what the Catholic Church today teaches, this is what historical Christianity always taught, and this is what the Bible teaches.

2. Nicholas, did you order your DVD of let the Lion Roar? I think you would enjoy this package.

3. I would like to get it. Maybe it will convince me, I don’t know, but I’ll check it out. I’m open minded.

4. According Torah, prophetic booklet Hosea, of all 66 booklets, completed Torah (teachings) only true ‘reformation’ of the true ‘Church’, FIRST introduced in the wilderness’, will finally be accomplished (clearly by resurrection, & not on this tiny footstool, whose heavens must have it’s on REAL fire ending, all human soul life SUDDENLY here departed temporal ‘initial’ FLESH ). Only G-d and F-ther of Israel’s LAWS given the Church within ‘teachings’ (Torah to this Nation) AND OUR F-THER OF OUR LORD, AND ONLY SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST, can bring true “re-form-ation” to the ‘Church’ of JESUS CHRIST (& must take place IN F-THER’S OWN buying back, as Hosea was instructed to ‘buy HER back’, even ‘Harlot’ as SHE is) and this ONLY by, thru, “resurrection OF THE FLESH”, BEYOND THESE HEAVENS, on REAL FIRE). The cross of Jesus Christ becomes ‘IDOLOTRY’ again, after the Church of Israel, unless seen as ‘the serpent’ lifted up on the pole (not as today’s harlot catholic world see’s it’s cross taken for ‘triumph’ as ‘tribals’ over ‘rivals’, therefore also HIM. on HIS OWN cross, in their ‘look’ for more power without ‘taking up of their OWN cross’ in following HIM unto ‘entire SANCTIFICATION’ from this world of the ‘threshing floor’ initial life IN THE FLESH). The look of a harlot is one which desires ‘call all the shots’, when it comes to a marriage to it’s chosen ‘groom’, even also Torah teaching as to ‘doctrine’ of Balaam, who taught Gentile king Balak (today’s Jezebel, still NOW teaches today’s HARLOT hungry ‘nicolaitan’ laity) of a marriage ‘consumation’, of Israel, with G-d and F-THER of Israel, yet UPON this tiny earthly footstool, of HIS. Jesus Christ made possible our resurrection IN THE FLESH from here ‘thru HIS own cross’, HIS OWN shed blood. temporally ‘partaken’ of, by HIM from Adam, Cain, Noah, Shem, Abraham, thru both Mary’s father, ALSO HIS mother’s father BOTH from David, her father also named ‘Joseph’, from Coniah (no son ever successfully to rule, nor reign, on any portion of THIS tiny footstool, of HIS). Anti-Semite-ism still ‘tribal avenging’, even 7 times 7 increasingly greater in responses, death of one of own tribes, by another ‘tribal’ in nature (back to Cain, Cain nature) and instead of properly looking UPON MESSIAH’S OWN cruel, & Roman cross, as ‘over’, ‘FAR above’ (hyper) FAR ‘superior’ to our common human sin (GREATLY increased thru LAW, within our given completed Torah teachings) the Church, having begun ‘in the wilderness’ must come to see the real good news (‘gospel’) as ‘resurrection’, IN THE FLESH unto ONLY One who can ‘buy back’ the true Church thru it’s resurrection OF THE FLESH only, unto beyond here for it’s true ‘reformation’ above, beyond these heavens suddenly ‘on real fire’ (in ALL it’s harlotry displayed right up to, the sudden coming REAL fire, of this earth’s final all human soul life ENDING here, of it’s human ‘initial’ only ‘threshing floor’, separations ‘wheat’, from eventual ‘burning of tares’, of which this tiny footstool was always for separation human souls, from ‘wicked’ non-human eternal fallen also

5. I am looking forward to seeing this, it looks very interesting. I think the denomiations are starting to break apart- possibly we are close to a big change!

6. Michael, I can only imagine just how proud your own father is very, very proud of you. What a work you have done for G_d’s kingdom.

7. Jon,

   The big change is happening before our eyes and is this…

   Deuteronomy 30
   1 And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee,
   2 And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul;
   3 That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee.
   4 If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
   5 And the LORD thy God will bring thee into the land which thy fathers possessed, and thou shalt possess it; and he will do thee good, and multiply thee above thy fathers.
   6 And the LORD thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.
   7 And the LORD thy God will put all these curses upon thine enemies, and on them that hate thee, which persecuted thee.
   8 And thou shalt return and obey the voice of the LORD, and do all his commandments which I command thee this day.

   YHWH is moving those that are part of Israel or that have been grafted into Israel to repent and keep YHWH’s commandments. YHWH is circumcising hearts.

   Ro 2:29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

   Will we be part of the remnant that keeps YHWH’s commandments and that has the testimony of Y’shua or just settle for either or? Both Judaism and Christianity have failed and they are the ditches on either side of the narrow path to life.

   Re 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

   Re 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints, they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.

   The message to the Jews is to accept Y’shua. The message to the Christians is to accept YHWH’s commandments. The whole message is to do both.

   Shalom

8. Good to e hear from you Bo finally. This is an incredible time. Replacement theology is been and has been on my heart to share this side of a theology that needs to be exposed. I am so happy that Michael Brown has done his G_ds work here.

9. jon,

   Regarding replacement theology, if we all believe that the Jews have to accept Christ, and I presume that we all agree on this point, doesn’t that mean that they are outside of the covenant which God promised to them, that they are, essentially, caught up in a system which rejects God, and that they are not in a position to receive blessings? I do not believe that God abandoned the Jews and reneged on them. God kept his promises to them. He did this through Christ. But the Jews who rejected Christ founded their own religion, in derogation of the Bible, and cast themselves out of the chosen nation. So, people who identify as “Jews” today, who reject Christ, cannot possibly be the People of God. How can they be, if they reject God? However, this does not mean that God hates them, or that they are evil, or anything like that. All they have to do is enter the New Covenant, like the Jews who accepted Christ. We both believe that the Jews have to believe in Christ, so I think that, basically, we should be preaching the same message here. When it comes down to it, I think that the real issue is the legitimacy of the modern nation state of Israel.

10. On this tiny ‘footstool’ only, Torah makes clear an issue re: is upon THIS earth of HIS cross, the legitimacy question, is any references as to any, all ‘regathering’, or ‘regatherings’ as of the Nation ? of Israel ? or of Jews (of Abraham) even those of also Jacob ? or of Isaac, yet minus Jacob ? real proofs of actual lineages are now impossible on this earth, were (except for Torah’s definition of the true ‘called out ones’, near impossible way back in days of Messiah, Jesus Christ when on this footstool ‘of HIS’, in HIS temporal only flesh, bones, blood for to die as ‘LAST’ Adam). By faith (true faith comes ONLY by Torah hearing, hearing, and hearing some more, and especially by only those ‘Rhema’ words from Torah, to persons of true faith, by only real HOLY Spirit ‘of Promise’, and not some ‘angel from heaven’ claimant unto the emotional outer right side of the outer brain of lessor man in intelligence, than angels), therefore, we need to be careful of our ‘claims’ and from the source of our faith (as having been made ‘lower’ than the ‘angels’) especially in Torah (teachings of prophecy re: Israel is sure at some time of it’s future beyond the completion of Torah’s now 66 Books) ‘She’ to surely be left ‘without root’, nor ‘branch’, just when ? even WHERE ?) and our ‘hearing’ in real faith must come from the REAL Holy Spirit ‘of Promise’ beyond our past initial ‘conviction’ by HIM (if truly born again by the Spirit of HOLINESS, EITHER Jew OR Gentile)

11. If we ever get to the place that we as Christians must believe that under no circumstances may someone who resides in, has a close affiliation with, or fellowships with those who are of the present day nation of Israel, can in any way even hope for salvation, (though anyone else in the world may be saved) we have certainly gone the wrong way.

    It used to be that if anyone ever wanted to be connected with the chosen people of God, that they would come to the Jewish people, as there was no one else who received the revelation, or the covenants, or the promises as they collectively had.

    Today if one wants to be connected to the chosen people of God, he will want to come to faith in Christ, and get connected with the Church, be that Jew, Lutheran, Catholic, or something else.

12. Nicholas,

    I’m not sure if Michael Brown would agree with your statement, “Although replacement theology has led to anti-Semitism, it is not necessarily, in and of itself, an anti-Semitic viewpoint,” because I think he believes, as I do, that the relationship between the two precludes that idea. It was an antisemitic mindset that gave birth to the false, high-minded doctrine of replacement theology. I think he’d say you can hold to replacement theology without being an antisemite but that doesn’t negate the causal relationship between the two. An analogy: There are smokers who never get lung cancer but everybody knows there’s a causal link.

    You said, ““The Jews,” as such, were seen not as the chosen people, but as a people no longer in the fellowship of God, but precisely because the majority of Jews rejected Christ. This is a historical reality.”

    This is false. The majority of the first century church was Jewish, not Gentile. And the majority of all Gentiles have also rejected Jesus. It’s true that most Jews today are not believers but that’s also true of Gentiles. And during early centuries of the church, religious Gentiles, who were never genuinely converted, brought their pagan rituals and holidays into the church and “Christianized” them. So the church needs to repent of this idolatry and get back to its Jewish roots.

    Please read Romans 9 through 11, playing close attention to Romans 11.

    Have you read Dr. Brown’s book, Our Hands Are Stained with Blood? It’s a must-read. Also read Why Still Care about Israel?: The Sanctity of Covenant, Moral Justice and Prophetic Blessing by Sandra Teplinsky.

    The church is not Israel – never has been and never will be. God has, is and will continue to fulfill His everlasting covenant promises to Israel, in spite of what replacement theologians, wise in their own conceits, vainly imagine against God’s elect.

    The apostle Paul strongly warned against the prideful view of replacement theology in Romans 11.

    “For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office: If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them. For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead? For if the firstfruit be holy, the lump is also holy: and if the root be holy, so are the branches. And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert grafted in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; Boast not against the branches. But if thou boast, thou bearest not the root, but the root thee. Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I might be grafted in. Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not high-minded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again. For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree? For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fullness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Zion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob” (Romans 11:13-26).

13. Of course it would be absurd, not to mention diabolical, to claim that salvation cannot be open to Jews, or to people associated with Israel. Salvation comes through Jesus Christ. By grace, all people, irrespective of race or gender or whatever, are called to fellowship with God through the atonement of the Messiah. Jews and non-Jews have to believe in Jesus in order to be saved. We all agree. Dr. Brown said it many, many times (and to me when I called into the show): Just like anyone who does not accept Christ, an individual Jewish person who persists in unbelief will be lost. So, where does this leave us, exactly? If the Jews have to accept Christ to be saved, then they are outside of the Covenant which God made with their ancestors. The remnant of Israel believed in Christ, so all was fulfilled through them, through those faithful Jews who embraced their Messiah. The Jews who rejected Christ, who chose Barabbas instead, founded their own polity, cutting themselves off from the Israel of God. This is the group into which most Jewish people fall today. This is not to say that Jews are in some way intrinsically evil, or more evil than other people who reject Christ. But the chosen race of God is the Body of Christ, those who live in Christ, who are washed in his blood. There are not two distinct “peoples of God.” There are the baptized, and then there are the people who subsist under the authority of sin and death.

14. Hi Amy,

    Paul is admonishing the gentile Christians for some arrogance on their part, and, of course, I completely concur with the Apostle’s statements. I fully recognize that the Church was completely Jewish at the outset, and that it would do well for Christians to recognize the Jewish roots of the faith, and that Jesus, according to the flesh, was an Israelite. This was his point, and he expresses his hope for the salvation of the whole of the Jewish people, as do I, and, as a Catholic, I am compelled to pray for their conversion, and the Church does this every year at the Good Friday liturgy. However, to say that the Body of Christ is not the Israel of God, to say that Christians are not the chosen people of God, this is heresy, and it is, quite frankly, blasphemous, and I am compelled to contribute here to correct this erroneous interpretation of the Bible. I say this with all due respect to people who differ with me. The Jews today, as a corporate entity, do not accept Christ. And, yes, most gentiles reject Christ, too. That’s the point: neither the Jews who are not Christian, nor the gentiles, are chosen. One becomes chosen and inherits the promises to Abraham (i.e., salvation) when one accepts the Messiah. Otherwise, one is lost, be he Jew or gentile. Nothing else matters except one’s faith in Jesus. One’s ethnicity avails nothing in one’s relationship to God.

15. Do our hands become stained with blood when we tell the truth?

16. And, as ‘Pilot’ stated once, ‘long time ago’ (a representative Gentile, also still questioning amongst the Jews, who should have known truth by then) just what is, truth ?

17. Nicholas,

    The main point of Romans 11 is that Gentile believers have the absolute awesome privilege of being grafted into God’s continuing purposes for Israel. The arrogance on the part of Gentile believers was replacement theology – the prideful idea they had replaced Israel, instead of seeing themselves as becoming part of the believing remnant of Jews, the Israel within Israel.

    Do you completely concur with the Holy Spirit speaking through Paul? I don’t think so. You’re boasting against the natural branches by your failure to acknowledge that you, a wild olive shoot, were grafted in their place to share the richness of the olive tree; and you don’t seem to realize it’s not you that supports the root, but the root that supports you.

    Although there is no male or female, slave or free, Jew or Gentile at the foot of the cross, Paul teaches the honored place and God-given position of Israel, saying:

    “What advantage then hath the Jew? Or what profit is there of circumcision? Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God. . . .Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God, and the promises; whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed forever. Amen” (Romans 3:1-2, 9:4-5).

    No one is saying genuinely born again people are not God’s children. And everyone needs to be born again or he will not enter the kingdom of God.

    But to say the church has somehow replaced Israel is unscriptural and has led to longstanding, deep-seated antisemitism within the church that’s difficult to root out.

    Israel never stopped being God’s chosen people, His elect, even if not all of them were or are saved. God’s calling is without repentance. His eternal covenant plans and purposes for them still stand, as the Word of God testifies throughout the Old and New Testaments.

    “As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers’ sakes. For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance” (Romans 11:28-29).

    Dr. Brown writes:

    “For centuries the Church, in arrogance, because of ignorance, claimed that she alone was the true Israel, that she had replaced the ancient covenant people. . . .Old Testament Israel and the New Testament Church both stood, and still stand, by grace. Both received God’s eternal promises. Together we make up the family of God: The faithful ones of Israel and the chosen ones from every nation become one new man. . . .Paul never said that Gentile believers were “true” or “spiritual” Israel. It was the believing remnant within Israel that was “true” or “spiritual” Israel. (Actually, the terms “true Israel” or “spiritual Israel” never occur in the Bible, and it might be helpful to completely avoid them.) Many people have feelings and impressions about what the Scriptures teach. But the facts are facts: While the New Testament often describes Israel and the Church in similar terms – both are pictured as the children of God, the bride of God, the chosen people, etc. – on no definite occasion does the New Testament ever call the Church, “Israel.” In fact, out of the 77 times that the words “Israel” and “Israelite” occur in the Greek New Testament, there are only two verses in which “Israel” could possibly refer to the Church as a whole: Galatians 6:16, where Paul speaks of the “Israel of God” and Revelation 7:4, where John speaks of the 144,000 sealed from the twelve tribes of Israel. This is saying something! Seventy-five “definites” and only two “maybes.” I wouldn’t want to side with the “maybes”!”

    The above quote is from Our Hands Are Stained with Blood. You’d be greatly helped by reading the book, playing close attention to chapters 12 & 13.

18. Hi Amy,

    I would never deny that I am a wild shoot grafted in. Indeed, I am. My ancestors were pagans. They enjoyed no knowledge of the true God, the God of the Hebrews. Now, however, I am a descendant of Abraham. I am Abraham’s son by virtue of my faith in the Messiah, in whose blood I am washed, having become the spiritual seed of the patriarch of Israel. This idea is nothing new. The Catholic Church has been teaching this for 2,000 years.

    The question is, into which group have I been grafted? Into the Jews who believed in the Messiah, or into the Jews who rejected him? There are two divergent communities here.

    The Church was Jewish in its origins. The Disciples were Jewish, those who received tongues of fire on Pentecost were Jewish, and Paul was Jewish. This is the Remnant which followed Christ. This is the people into which I have been grafted. The people who denied Christ cut themselves off from this true and pure Israel. I am not part of that people, and that people is not Israel.

    Paul is stating to the gentile believers that they are part of the Remnant of Israel, the very same Remnant which he himself entered upon his conversion, having previously persecuted it. That Remnant of Israel enjoyed the gifts and the calling of God, because God never abandoned his people. He never reneged on them. Now, he added to their number, he added to their community from the gentiles, who became their spiritual brothers and sisters. Now, in the New Israel, in which Jew and gentile become one new man, there is no disparity of ethnicity. All are one in Christ.

    As for the Jews who rejected Jesus Christ, the promises of God are open to them as well. They are not prohibited from entering the New Covenant, which God promised to their forbears, which he accomplished with the Apostles. But they have to convert, as Paul did, to the faith of the Messiah. Otherwise, they remain outside the Israel of God.

    We all agree that the Jewish people have to believe in the Messiah in order to be saved. Isn’t this what Dr. Brown believes, that the Jews have to come to faith in Christ? Isn’t this what he is working for so tirelessly? So, I don’t really see what the problem is. What has God promised the Jews who do not believe in Jesus? What do they get? Does God reward them for their unbelief? I don’t quite understand. God promised his people salvation. This is all that matters. He offered this to them when Christ came. Some accepted this offer, some went off and created a new religion instead.

19. The Bible doesn’t specifically say the modern Church is Israel spiritually, but then again, it doesn’t say specifically that God is triune either.

20. Ray, which position do you hold?

21. It seems to me to be fair to say that the very, very, very great majority (if not all) of Christians who would say in effect that the Church has replaced Israel, would never define the Church as being those who believe in Jesus, but are not Jewish.

22. Ray, I certainly would never say that the Church cannot include the Jews. Jews have always been part of the Church.

23. Nicholas,
    Do you ever get treated as if you did say such things? Sometimes I think people do, even though they would never say such things.

24. Ray,

    I really don’t know if people are insinuating something, or not, but I don’t care, either way. Everyone on these boards has been very charitable.

25. When including doctrine, in study of the Book of Acts of law WITHIN Torah, millions (myriads) of Jews were divided between majority having not followed Pharisees on resurrection OF THE FLESH,
    but the minority still believing in resurrection OF THE FLESH considered Paul to have been visited by and angel or spirit to confirm resurrection of the FLESH is by assistance of angels, of human eternal ‘spirit’, within mankind of twice born, namely Jews, still following LAW given them as descendants ‘in the FLESH’, of Abraham. Today’s divisions within ‘claimants’ of being IN THE CHURCH of Jesus (as were the ‘myriads’, even in one City here below, of ‘their’ holy Jerusalem).
    But as to their being in the Church of Jesus CHRIST (as Paul finally had answered the call given first unto him ‘in his youth’ from Jesus CHRIST Himself, after ‘500 brethren at once’, but before HIS final departure from this ‘small copy’ footstool earth ‘of HIS’ from ‘earth patterns ABOVE’ and a Holy City ABOVE also known back then as THE HOLY CITY of Jerusalem “ABOVE”). Sadducees also believed in that City “ABOVE” but they believed they went directly ABOVE without first having been resurrected IN THE FLESH (also not believing either ‘angel’ or ‘spirit’ assisted the ‘born again’ UNTO A RESURRECTION ‘OF THE FLESH’ first, of the human ‘spirit’ eternal within). Nicolaitanism is seen in Sadducee belief concerning resurrection ‘OF THE FLESH’, as was prophesied, continuing increasingly unto these heavens on REAL fire (today’s ‘catholic’ belief, Universalism’s ‘conquering over the laity’ of both truly ‘born again’, ‘intermediaries’, ‘once born’ only) by Sadducee influence as also today’s majority of ‘believers in Jesus’, but NOT Jesus CHRIST ‘truely’, who falsely believe Paul was speaking about their outer ‘tent’ (which is not Biblically considered a ‘body’, but a ‘temporal tabernacle’ only) when saying ‘absent from “SOUL body” is TO BE present with the Lord ETERNALLY, in ‘SPIRITUAL’ body only (having been also hidden within the SOUL ‘body’, until IS instantaneously changed) as given this ‘mystery’, never before given by Paul (not in his previous letters to Thessalonians either) which is his DOCTRINE given him, from Jesus CHRIST, by an ‘angel of the Lord’ over 3 yrs. in Arabian Desert after Damascus Road unto this truly called, & also ‘FOUNDATIONAL’ as Apostle, when first called as a ‘youth’, but now about ‘resurrection’ OF THE FLESH, that it surely must come first, even as Jesus of Nazareth had also ‘carefully gave out to the people’ which caused them pause then saying “no man has ever marveled unto us” especially about ‘doctrinal’ differences as between Sadducees and Pharisees

26. A ‘true Pentecostal’ is not at all ‘charismatic Catholic’, is ‘separate’, having ‘come out from amongst those who look upon the ‘cross of Jesus CHRIST’ as for initial salvation RATHER than ‘entire’ SANCTIFICATION “OF THE BELIEVER already”, is constant in meditation on complete Torah, and is more careful follower of Paul’s DOCTRINE, as ‘foundational Apostle’, who as from youth persecuted true Pentecostal Jewish believers

27. Nicholas, you’re right — you don’t really see what the problem is and you don’t quite understand because you’ve been confused by replacement theology (and the teachings of the Roman Catholic system, which hasn’t been around for 2,000 years). You will need to educate yourself, with an open heart, in order to understand why replacement theology is an evil, false doctrine.

    So, before you continue to use Dr. Brown’s comment section to openly disagree with him, why don’t you find out what he believes first, by reading him?

    http://tinyurl.com/l6mwe6l

    Also, watch the videos from the conference, “The People, the Land, and the Future of Israel” on the Chosen People Ministries website.

    http://videos.chosenpeople.com/

28. Hi Amy,

    I’ve been listening to Dr. Brown for about four or five years now, and I think I understand his position, and the theology of Messianic Judaism, quite well. However, I will check out the links you recommended. Thank you.

29. Nicholas, I’m surprised to hear you’ve been listening that long but glad to know you’re open to reading the book and watching the videos. You’ll be blessed!

30. Thanks, Amy, one must always be open minded.

31. we all must remain ‘open minded’, unto faith as Abraham (ever expanding MATERIAL, never ending entire Universe, containing other ‘real dust’ amongst ‘lights’ he could not count for his own posterity and life beyond this initial ‘dust’, and for literal ‘temples not made with hands’ (besides this one ‘footstool’ of our ‘initial only’ INTRO to eternal existence somewhere in a MATERIALLY ‘real’ physical, never ending Universe of eternal temples also literally made ‘with hands’ unto LAW restrictions always teaching beyond the literal unto the spiritual) in which only small portions are to always be, unto G-d’s eternal purposes, and also always made to be, from their very foundations, to be being ‘rolled up’ like a blanket’, unto a density of ever expanding, never ending, assigned ‘black hole’ (blackness of darkness holding all ‘material’ things uniform, also in never ending expansion).

32. b.j.stone,

    Have you ever considered writing poetry?

33. always keeping in mind Prophets, within Torah, it’s teachings, including Ezekiel’s ‘literal’ given ‘dimensions’ (which do not fit this ‘copy’, of heavenly ‘dirt’ PATTERNS above, in which above Ezekiel’s dimensions given, a ‘literal Temple’, also is given in book of Revelation, a ‘temple’ so large, that for 1500 miles, it’s surface of that ‘dust’ sphere does not show any ‘curvature’, if a literal ‘surveyor’ was to measure from ‘it’s literal one ‘corner’ to it’s literally given us of it’s opposite ‘corner’, these ‘dimensions’ given us in Torah teachings are upon mountain TOP existing ‘literal’ in size, capable of such size as just one ‘mountain’, being ‘flat’ across it’s TOP, given to us as ‘half the size’ of our also literal American land dimensions we are familiar, here ‘below’, also in real, not ‘spiritual’ dust)

34. I think he’d make a good cryptographer.

35. He would. In fact I think all his posts are just coded messages to himself.

36. Since Torah (all 66 Books) are spiritually given, as literal in introduction to an ever expanding MATERIAL Universe experiment, NEVER ENDING, in eternal ‘free-will’ (for G-d does not ‘play’ games of chance in HIS never to reversed, ever experiential, filling up of the MATERIAL with the eternal ‘free-will’ of designed ‘fellowshipping’ creation)we can be assured ‘the Lion will ROAR’ within the ‘free-will’ experiment of a LITERAL physical entire never ending ENTIRE Universe (which is not ‘cryptic’ to the heavenly minded)

37. To Amy:

    Just issuing a clarification: the RCC does not teach that the Jews themselves are not Israelites. When I spoke of the Jews as “not Israel,” I did not mean to say that they are not the children of Abraham and heirs to the promises made to their forefathers, only that God has cut them off until they recognize and accept Christ and that the Israel promised to them is the Church, in which Jew and Gentile become Israel together.

38. Moreover, the Jewish nation as it stands today is under judgment, and even Dr. Brown has expressed this viewpoint, and the Synagogue, although still a sacred people, remain in desolation and destitution until it accepts the Lord Jesus. The Jews will enter Israel, which is the Catholic Church, when they covert, but, until then, they are not the nation of Israel, but rather Israelites in exile. This is the traditional Catholic teaching, although the Church today has in some measure shyed away from this theology for ecumenical reasons.

39. When Israel was on this earth yet still ‘with root’, ‘branch’, there were proven out ‘tares’ amongst the ‘grain’. Here is our initial only threshing floor unto separations, ‘unto the next life’ from here PROMISED (still in very same likeness of very same sinful flesh of both first, last, Adam IN THIS WORLD, and in the ‘next’). And yes, ‘intermediaries’ also separated in next life from here from the ‘wicked’. Harlotry has by it’s very ‘nature’, both ‘intermediaries’, and the proven out ‘wicked’ in which the ‘threshing floor’ each time is always ‘burned’ up, with real fire’ (leaving no ‘root’, nor ‘branch’ down here of ISRAEL, and will leave neither ‘root’, nor ‘branch’ down here of ANY from Adam’s ‘Eve’ (mother of all natural living soul BODIES to be taken and separated first

40. …including all within ‘Nicolaitanism’ (RCC, Eastern, all ‘Reformers’, attempting what cannot be reformed, either from ‘within’, neither also from ‘without’). Come out, from amongst them ALL, BE TOTALLY SEPARATED, from any, all who violate Torah (teachings). Example modern is included in translation (of so-called ‘reformers’) from I Cor. 11 (where Paul makes clear, v. 26 in original text “….you are preaching (one way or another to your fellow ‘twice born’) the Lord’s death (in your way of doing ‘sacraments’ still today, as was the Church at Corinth which came short in no gifting) UNTO ‘those who have come’ (amongst your chosen harlotry which falsely believes true Messiah will come back here to this place of His death, deathS, acknowledging you ? as whom He really ? has loved ?). Nicolaitanism remains ‘conquering the laity’ away from the real Holy Spirit of TRUE promises !

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