A Christian Leader Against Voting for Romney and More from Jerusalem

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Dr. Brown interviews controversial internet evangelist Bob Enyart who claims that no true Christian can vote for Romney and then shares more perspectives live from Israel. Listen live here 2-4 pm EST, and call into the show at  (866) 348 7884  with your questions and comments.

 

Hour 1:

Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: I have not put my trust in the Democratic Party and I have not put my trust in the Republican Party, nor have I put it in a particular candidate. The ultimate trust is in Jesus and the Church must wake up if America is to be changed.

 

Hour 2:

Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: During this volatile election season let us more than ever seek the face of God and rather than following the poles day and night let us search our own hearts and say, “Am I ablaze? Am I on fire? How does God look at me?”

 

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77 Comments
  1. lol, this is funny how politics gets these type of radio shows, if a believer can not vote for either party because he does not want to offend someone somewhere who thinks that Christians are sinning somehow for voting for one of two sinners to be the face and leading voice of the USA, then this sounds like a trap of condemnation, no matter who one prefers there will be an opposition saying sin is involved. Is it better to not get involved to be blameless from finger pointers? My advice, what ever you do, do it all for the glory of God, this is a minor detail, all the major details let us unite and be one and fix the the broken body of Christ scattered throughout all the denominations, both historical and new and non denominational, and my last advice, is that whatever anyone does, vote for a, vote for b, or vote for z or not vote any, do it all for the glory of God out of your utmost love for God, and do not let the accusers (devils/demons) be successful in putting a guilty conscience on your conscience, don’t fall for that trap. Please also, my last advice, if your brother or sister in the Lord votes a and you vote b, or none, or they vote none, then just give everyone grace, the spirit of grace, let this not be occasion for disunity and guilty consciences, if you can not vote for anyone that is pro choice, then don’t, if you can not vote for anyone that is Mormon, then don’t. Don’t allow USA politics to divide an already divided body of Christ even more, peace! Blessings! to all of you in the mighty grace of the King of Kings, our True President anyways, lol, please don’t get offended with these words of mine, have grace with me too.

  2. Not having listened to the show yet, podcast listener, I can say this. Obama is a Muslim helping the Muslim Brotherhood to come to power in Tunisia, Libya, Egypt, and Syria. If Obama wins the Muslims in Egypt will be emboldened to persecute and murder the Christian community that goes back to the days of the Apostles. A Romney win means Israel has a friend in the White House and no more Muslims there. To get Muslims out of the White House is reason enough to ingore the other stuff and vote Romney.

  3. Since my earlier e-mail to you I did some digging on my own. It seems Bob Enyart is an “Open Theist”. I am sure you know that he doesn’t believe that God knows the future because the future doesn’t exist yet. Wow, this is a bit contradictory to what Gods Word teaches. His practices are like those of Rev Fred Phelps, who pickets the funerals of fallen soldiers and homosexuals. While pro-life and anti-homosexual they are not necessarily Christian. To give this man a platform us just unthinkable! He is a hatemonger with an ends justify the means philosophy and he and those like him hate America. For twelve years, as the Director of a Crisis Pregnancy Center, I battled against their type of Christianity. I hope this broadcast, with his adamant declaration that Romney is pro choice and pro homosexual, is not taken seriously by undecided listeners.

  4. Dr. Brown and listeners, I would encourage you to go to http://www.aboutmittromney.com/abortion.htm and compare what is found there with what is found on the website today’s guest listed http://prolifeprofiles.com/mitt-romney-abortion

    You can judge for yourselves then. After comparing information, I tend to think that the second website may have some “facts” that may technically be correct but are actually misleading. Please look at all of the information and judge for yourselves.

    I notice that the prolifeprofiles website lists Mitt Romney in the same tier as they list Sarah Palin and Ron Paul. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe I heard the guest say on the show that Palin was in league with Planned Parenthood. That in and of itself should be revealing.

  5. We have to be united in the business of the Lord. Being for shedding innocent blood is definitely against the Bible from Abel to the beheaded Christians in the Revelation. I know Mitt has flip flopped in the past regarding this issue and I am not sure he is not full of baloney now, but at least he SAYS he will work to stop abortion. I think the best approach is to vote for him based on possibly Isaiah 45 and give him a life honoring congress and HOLD HIS FEET TO THE FIRE UNTIL HE KEEPS HIS PROMISES! Church, speak for those who have no voice (Prov. 31)If Obama wins we should pray that the Lord will open his eyes and those of the Congress! At the same time we should continue to live right and spread the Gospel. I think this is right. What do you think?

  6. I think today’s program guest only confused your listeners. Saying that Obama is the best of the two is, in a way, just supporting another Democrat fishing for votes. Come on. I lost a lot of respect for your show today and won’t tune in going forward. I am disappointed that you would try to pull the wool over our eyes with your Democratic views. Dr. Brown, until today, I had a lot of respect for you, but your choice of friends speaks volumns to me and I am no longer a fan. Obama is doing his best to destroy Christianity and YOU are supporting it.

  7. I listened to portions of the show with Enyart. I totally agree with his views on Romney. I cannot bring myself to vote with a liberal wolf in sheep clothing. Oh, by the way Dr. Brown I make it a point to listen to you every week day here in The Bahamas. Your programs are very informative and Spirit-filled. Thank you and keep it up.

  8. Brother Mike,

    I really appreciated your show today, as it brought to light the truth that many have not fully known or have denied. The idea that the Republican party, and even more so Mitt Romney, is G-d’s choice, or is “the better of two evils” is a path leading to deception altogether.

    It is quite evident that no Christian can vote for Romney. Thank you again for being open and allowing the truth to be heard regarding both candidates and both parties.

    Shalom

  9. @ Nancy – i appreciate what you said, and i am totally in agreement with your position. if Romney gets in, great; we will pray for him. As for Obama, we pray for him also that the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Christ would be granted him by the Father. At the beginning of time and at the end of every day, Christ is seated in the heavenly places and is raised far above all principalities, powers, might and dominion and every name that is named (Ephesians 1), so all influences in this world are effected by Him. He can pull Obama over to His side in an instant; “my sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.” (John 10)

    Practically speaking, though – for we must live within the constraints of the reality that God has revealed to us at the given moment – we have to vote in such a way as to A) defend the lives of those whose very disposition prohibits them from representing themselves; i.e., abortion, and B) vote in such a way that is proactive of our personal responsibility to defend the Constitution of the United States.

    @ Brian – Just as Dr. Brown discussed on the program with the Professor from Colorado, we are not voting for a pastor or other religious official. We are doing our due diligence and responsibility to see that the political leaders we install to service will defend the Constitution of the United States. It’s all about the constitution, for that is the consummation of the ideals of our great nation. As a citizen of Christ’s kingdom, obey His commandments. Repent and believe and bear fruit unto righteousness. As a citizen of America, uphold our founder’s principles and the constitution of this great REPUBLIC.

  10. BTW, i just realized that my name is already taken! the comment above @ 10:23PM was written by me, Jonathan Tack, and not the same Jonathan who posted at 6:37. Just needed to clear that up.

  11. If mitt romney never taxpayer funded abortion thus killing all those babies but instead killed just one baby and that baby was yours, would you still cast your vote for him?

  12. Shame on all of you. The lives of Egyptian Christians that depend upon a Romney win mean nothing to you.

    I don’t doubt that this “don’t vote for Romney movement” was started by supporters of Obama. No matter what excuse you give, not voting for Romney is a vote for Obama and worldwide Islam.

  13. Brian, don’t presume to comment about truth being denied and a path leading to deception until you answer this post from a previous thread found here:http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2012/09/19/a-debate-with-prof-doug-groothius-on-whether-christians-can-vote-for-romney-and-dr-browns-thoughts-on-reach-out-and-resist/ which states:

    “September 24th, 2012 @ 8:17 pm
    Brian, I had previously posted, “You told me that you could vote for a person who worked to make it legal to kill toddlers without blood being on your hands. Then you turned around and told Dr. Brown that you could not vote to re-elect George W Bush because blood would then be on your hands because of the war in Iraq.
    How in the world are you being consistently honest in your beliefs between those two positions?”
    It is very telling that it remains unanswered and ignored.”

    That post remains unanswered to this day. Would you care to answer it, Brian?

  14. I see that Mr Bob Enyart is using irrelevant facts to mislead.
    This election is not about one candidate such as Romney or Obama. It is about ideology and the party platform. IT is a cultural war between two diametrically opposed sides. Not voting for either side is self defeating to the christian. When He implies that Republicans are more pro abortion and that the DNC is the lesser of two evils, he is not right with his analysis. You judge a party by its platform and objectives and overall track records and not isolated flaws like a supreme court appointee who reneges or deflects from what is expected of him. This is true to both parties.
    George W Bush stood with the Church on social on social and moral issues more than Clinton and any Democratic President. He vetoed the embryo stem cell research, supported the abstinence program, proposed the Federal ammendment of the constitution to protect traditional marriage, appointed judges who banned partial abortion and much more while on the other hand the Democrats opposed all. Republicans have been steadfast on the right side of moral issues ever since the party was formed. They were, and still are commendably anti slavery, anti-segregation, anti Jim crow, anti kkk, anti abortion, anti gay marriage, and pro civil rights. (They voted in majorty to passs all the Black civil right bills) whiles the Democrats were on the opposing side. Even the 1964 -65 civil right bill was least supported by Democrats. Today the Republicans have doubled down on their standon God’s side on the issues. The religion of Romney is irrelevant here because God uses even the heathen to do His will. Being named a Christian does not mean one will do right. All the Israeli Kings (Northern Kingdom) were evil kings( did evil) but God used outsiders like Cyrus, Ahasuerus, Nebuchadnezzar, etc to do his work. Romney can not back down on his promise to be pro life , pro family,pro Israel, Pro God, proreligious freedom etc because the Tea Party is a powerful watch dog in the party. It is worthwhile to appreciate that in the GOP there is internal critique which forces the party and its delegates to steer right to conservative values or be voted out of office. With the DEmocrats, the internal critique is to force them to the Liberal side.
    Here is my coclusion: The Democrats are Liberals seeking liberty by trying to liberate themselves AWAY FROM the Laws of God and the Constitution. and the Repulicans are conservatives seeking freedom by trying to liberate themselves WITH the lLaws of God and the Constitution. None is perfect but their agenda is clear.

  15. Jonathan,

    A few points…

    My dialogue was with Dr. Brown regarding my reasoning for not voting for President Bush the second term; hence, I “owe” you nothing on that matter at all.

    Second, where does your line of justification fall, as I present to you your own question regarding Mr. Romney, seeing that this is exactly what he has done:

    Do you believe it would be a sin and that you would have blood on your hands to vote for someone who worked to make it legal to kill toddlers? 2. If your answer to number one is “yes” then how can it not be sin and you not have blood on your hands if you vote for someone who champions the “right” to butcher unborn babies by the millions every year?

    On the previous posting that you cited, I asked you:

    “Do you believe that racism is a sin, and that anyone who endorses a man or his party, with the suppression of minorities, the poor and elderly is completely and totally unacceptable and most assuredly sin for anyone, especially a Christian?”
    I also posted two videos that demonstrated Rick Santorum’s racist comments. Your only reply was that racism is wrong. What a soft stance on what G-d identifies as “sin.”

    You also stated that you agree with the new voter ID laws. 33 states had instituted these laws, all led by the Republican party. Research revealed that voter fraud evidence amounted to 1 in 15 million (yes, 1 in 15 million), hardly justification to do so. Two examples of voter suppression are Pennsylvania and Wisconsin which had zero documented cases in their history. A Republican council member in the state of Pennsylvania openly stated that these voter laws will help Romney win the election. And most telling is the fact that no picture ID was held mandatory to vote in the Republican primaries.

    Notwithstanding, Ezekiel 16:49 clearly reveals G-d’s hatred for this kind of sin which does not strength the hand of the poor and needy. This is exactly what this modern day Jim Crow law of voter suppression endorses.

    Tell me, with this data before you, how can you support such a law in the sight of G-d?

  16. @Dr. Brown,

    Have you read the news about Obama’s Shahada Muslim ring?

    http://www.wnd.com/2012/10/obamas-ring-there-is-no-god-but-allah/

    It’s a must read! He didn’t even have the decency to get a distinct ring for the significance of his love for his wife. He just got married with the Muslim ring he’d been wearing for years! How many ex-Muslims now turned Christian wear there is no god but Allah and Mohammed on their hand?

  17. Was so looking forward to hearing the podcast from yesterday’s pgm 10/10. Still not able to click on. There is no icon (arrow) for me to click on underneath the intro for me to listen? Wanted to hear ur interwiew w guest regarding Romney. God bls u mightily tday in ur radio pgm n ur adventures in Jerusalem! From Richard in Phoenix, Az.

  18. Brian, are you serious?

    “It is quite evident that no Christian can vote for Romney.”

    I am a blood-bought Christian. I intend on voting for Romney. Please explain- do you think:

    1. I will lose my salvation when I pull the lever for Romney.

    or

    2. My conversion was false.

    If you cannot, or will not answer this question than everything you say is to be dismissed.

    Let’s go.

  19. Bill,

    I know you or the state of your conversion at all. That is between you and G-d alone.

    Mitt Romney has governed as one who has advocated abortion rights. Obama care is Romney care. Additionally, He is pro gay, two qualifying factors that some Christians have used to advocate that no Christian can vote for President Obama. It is the exact same standard applied.

  20. Brian, I realize you were talking about your reason for not voting to re-elect Bush when you said, “I did not want that innocent blood on my hands.” Yet I find that statement hypocritical when you had already said it would not be a sin and that you would not have blood on your hands to vote for someone who worked to make it legal to kill toddlers. You may not consider that you owe me an answer to that apparent hypocrisy. I believe it is because you don’t have an answer.

    So I will answer the question that you turned back toward me while refusing to answer it yourself. My answer to the first question is a definite and unequivocal “YES”. The answer to the second question is also that I would have blood on my hands if I voted for someone who champions the “right” to butcher babies by the millions. Yet Romney no longer champions that “right”. He has stated that he wants to see Roe V Wade overturned. He has picked a pro-life VP (as he promised to do beforehand). He has promised to put the Mexico City policy back in place that Obama rescinded that bans taxpayer money from going to other countries to fund abortion. He has promised to overturn Obamacare which allows for the funding of abortion. He has committed to advocate for and support a Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act to protect unborn children who are capable of feeling pain from abortion. http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/269984/my-pro-life-pledge-mitt-romney
    Romney is also endorsed by almost all pro-life groups and leaders. Meanwhile, Obama is endorsed by radical pro-abortion organizations. So does that answer your question?

    As for racism, I already told you: “Racism is a belief that is extremely wrong, but is there any proof that Santorum or Romney have governed in a racist manner? There is proof that Obama has governed in a way that has helped to kill the unborn.” and “The arguments about racism do not compare. Did you give some proof of how Romney has or would govern in a racist manner? There is much proof we can give that Obama has and will govern in a manner to promote the killing of the unborn.” and again, “How has Romney promoted racism in his governing of Massachusetts and what specific proof do you have that Romney would lead the country in racism as president?”

    I don’t know how that is a soft stance on racism. Could you explain?

    It appears you are trying to equate voter id laws to racism. That is quite a fanciful judgment.

    If voter id laws are racist, do you also believe that it is racist to require a photo id in able to drive or to buy wine?

    Here is what I have already previously told you about voter id laws:

    “I support voter ID laws not for some nefarious purpose as you would like to imply. I support them because the integrity of the vote is worth preserving. ID’s are required for a number of different activities and there is no cry of racism when it is applied to those activities. Why is it all the sudden referred to as racism when it is required to vote?
    Here is a good Washington Times article on the subject http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/13/voter-id-laws-preserve-democracy/?page=all
    So instead of throwing around baseless attacks on Romney’s thoughts and beliefs concerning his attitudes on race and the poor and the elderly, how about some objective facts?”

    Here are a few more links regarding voter fraud:

    http://www.truethevote.org/news/did-you-know-there-are-voter-fraud-convictions-and-prosecutions-in-46-states (Since you mentioned Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, you can note they are among the states listed at this link.)

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/19/53000-dead-voters-in-florida-millions-nationwide

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-09-14/news/bs-md-wendy-rosen-withdraws-20120910_1_general-election-voter-fraud-vote-on-local-issues

    You can furthermore read about the bi-partisan proposal for a uniform voter photo ID by the Bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform in 2005 that was led by former President Jimmy Carter and with former Secretary of State James A. Baker III. Of the 21 members of their commission, only three dissented from this proposal. You can read about that here: http://www.humanevents.com/2011/11/16/jimmy-carter-an-ally-on-the-left-in-voter-id-crusade/

    So with this data before me, I believe that sufficiently answers how I could support the idea of a voter ID being required to vote. I don’t hear anyone saying it is racist to require photo ID to drive a car or purchase wine. Why is that?

    So I believe I have answered your questions. Are you now willing to answer mine?

  21. Posted by Jonathan Stevenson: Brian, I realize you were talking about your reason for not voting to re-elect Bush when you said, “I did not want that innocent blood on my hands.” Yet I find that statement hypocritical when you had already said it would not be a sin and that you would not have blood on your hands to vote for someone who worked to make it legal to kill toddlers. You may not consider that you owe me an answer to that apparent hypocrisy. I believe it is because you don’t have an answer.

    So I will answer the question that you turned back toward me while refusing to answer it yourself. My answer to the first question is a definite and unequivocal “YES”. The answer to the second question is also that I would have blood on my hands if I voted for someone who champions the “right” to butcher babies by the millions. Yet Romney no longer champions that “right”. While he once supported abortion, he has now indicated that he has changed his mind. He has stated that he wants to see Roe V Wade overturned. He has picked a pro-life VP (as he promised to do beforehand). He has promised to put the Mexico City policy back in place that Obama rescinded that bans taxpayer money from going to other countries to fund abortion. He has promised to overturn Obamacare which allows for the funding of abortion. He has committed to advocate for and support a Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act to protect unborn children who are capable of feeling pain from abortion.
    http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/269984/my-pro-life-pledge-mitt-romney

    Romney is also endorsed by almost all pro-life groups and leaders. Meanwhile, Obama is endorsed by radical pro-abortion organizations. So does that answer your question?

    As for racism, I already told you: “Racism is a belief that is extremely wrong, but is there any proof that Santorum or Romney have governed in a racist manner? There is proof that Obama has governed in a way that has helped to kill the unborn.” and “The arguments about racism do not compare. Did you give some proof of how Romney has or would govern in a racist manner? There is much proof we can give that Obama has and will govern in a manner to promote the killing of the unborn.” and again, “How has Romney promoted racism in his governing of Massachusetts and what specific proof do you have that Romney would lead the country in racism as president?”

    I don’t know how that is a soft stance on racism. Could you explain?

    It appears you are trying to equate voter id laws to racism. That is quite a fanciful judgment.
    If voter id laws are racist, do you also believe that it is racist to require a photo id in able to drive or to buy wine?

    Here is what I have already previously told you about voter id laws:

    “I support voter ID laws not for some nefarious purpose as you would like to imply. I support them because the integrity of the vote is worth preserving. ID’s are required for a number of different activities and there is no cry of racism when it is applied to those activities. Why is it all the sudden referred to as racism when it is required to vote?
    Here is a good Washington Times article on the subject http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/sep/13/voter-id-laws-preserve-democracy/?page=all
    So instead of throwing around baseless attacks on Romney’s thoughts and beliefs concerning his attitudes on race and the poor and the elderly, how about some objective facts?”

    Here are a few more links regarding voter fraud:
    http://www.truethevote.org/news/did-you-know-there-are-voter-fraud-convictions-and-prosecutions-in-46-states (Since you mentioned Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, you can note they are among the states listed at this link.)

    http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/19/53000-dead-voters-in-florida-millions-nationwide

    http://articles.baltimoresun.com/2012-09-14/news/bs-md-wendy-rosen-withdraws-20120910_1_general-election-voter-fraud-vote-on-local-issues

    You can furthermore read about the bi-partisan proposal for a uniform voter photo ID by the Bipartisan Commission on Federal Election Reform in 2005 that was led by former President Jimmy Carter and with former Secretary of State James A. Baker III. Of the 21 members of their commission, only three dissented from this proposal. You can read about that here:

    http://www.humanevents.com/2011/11/16/jimmy-carter-an-ally-on-the-left-in-voter-id-crusade/

    So with this data before me, I believe that sufficiently answers how I could support the idea of a voter ID being required to vote. I don’t hear anyone saying it is racist to require photo ID to drive a car or purchase wine. Why is that?
    So I believe I have answered your questions. Are you now willing to answer mine?

  22. Wauthena Neely, thank you for your concern. If you listen much to Dr. Brown, you’ll know that it is unwise to believe unsubstantiated “hate-monger” type accusations against Christians. I’d like to ask you to consider retracting your claim about me:

    “[Bob’s] practices are like those of Rev Fred Phelps, who pickets the funerals of fallen soldiers and homosexuals.” -WN

    Wauthena, I have had the honor of praying with many homosexuals, and leading some to the Lord, even some who trusted Christ who then made public testimonies to their conversion. And I despise Phelps tactics and have always openly condemned them. I surmise that the Phelps clan has never led a homosexual to the Lord, as I conclude from their behavior and having critically interviewed them. (Our church has gone to them, tried to assess what is wrong, and we believe that aside from doctrinal issues, there is also mental illness involved; and also, though Phelps’ theology might be similar to yours –it’s diametrically opposite of mine– regardless, that would not justify anyone smearing you with the same brush.)

    I realize that you made multiple criticisms of me, but could you consider retracting this one, your comparing us to Phelps?

    Thanks for your consideration.

    -Pastor Bob Enyart
    Denver Bible Church

  23. Posted by Jonathan Stevenson

    Brian,

    You can’t always judge what a person believes today by what they have done in the past. Thank God that many of us are not the same as we were in the past!

    I see a BIG difference when looking at Romney vs Obama. Romney has done and believed a lot of the things that Obama is doing and believing now. But Romney has changed his position and Obama has not.

    I have shown in my last post, the positions Romney is now taking on abortion. I will include this link to show the position Romney is taking on gay marriage. http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-57431100-503544/romney-affirms-opposition-to-same-sex-marriage/

    You can have problems with Romney’s past if you like. But don’t act like Romney is proclaiming the same positions now.

    Now please inform us what positions Obama is currently taking on the issues of abortion and gay marriage, if you would?

  24. OK, one more link. Here is a link to some recent polls.

    http://www.pollingreport.com/politics.htm

    The fourth one down is a CBS News/New York Times Poll that indicates that 70% of Americans support a photo ID requirement to vote. Are you going to call 70% of Americans racist, Brian? Do you believe that is the case? You were willing to call Romney racist because of wanting photo id law, so you are also calling 70% of Americans racist, correct?

  25. Obama is a Left wing, he is our to destroy the American economy.Obama is a Hard cord Muslim.That is way he refuses to come against any Muslim Nation,Obama Hates Israel.He Hates Unborn Babies,

    This so call Christian is a Master of desceit,
    He fasified Want Roomey did.Roomey did not approve Of Gays Marrige, The Mass Court did.
    Vote for Roomey, He a Human being, He is not perfect.His views line up with the WORD OF GOD

  26. Jonathan,

    Your continual ranting actually leads nowhere with me, this is one of the reasons why I tuned you out on the last thread. For you to seriously expect me to visit all of your links is a bit ridiculous. If you are going to quote me regarding what I said about George Bush, please do so in its context, because your single line posting is grossly misleading. I said…

    “… In the same vein of thought, you voted for George Bush for his second term after it was discovered that we went into Iraq on false pretenses. I did not vote for him the second time for this very reason, thus I could not agree to continue an unjust war where many innocent people were murdered, not to mention 4,000 of our American soldiers. I did not want that innocent blood on my hands. Are all those who voted for him to continue the war destined to burn in the eternal fires of hell beside the Obama voters?….”

    Can you at grasp the context?

    I did not vote for the former president for a second term because I felt that the war was unjust; hence, the question that followed. Second, I also responded to your question with…

    ” Your question is flawed because this is not the “only” issue at stake in this election. Your narrow view regarding this one issue is not what this whole election is about for every American who will vote. If this is your single conviction that will determine who you will vote for, then I can respect that, but to believe that this is the only issue is shortsighted in your thinking.”

    If you don’t like my answers – sorry!

    You said, As for racism, I already told you: “Racism is a belief that is extremely wrong, but is there any proof that Santorum or Romney have governed in a racist manner?”

    Why do you struggle so much to call it sin, something that G-d despises?

    I don’t need to demonstrate where either of these two men governed in a racist manner. Rick Santorum is a Republican leader and was a top candidate, that you voted for, who was running for the presidency. I supplied the video for your viewing of which he called Barak Obama a “Government Nig…” and then caught his words and changed his sentence. I also supplied you a video of which the same man, that you voted for, said:

    “I don’t want to make black people’s lives better by giving them somebody else’s money.”

    This was part of his presidential campaign rally. Why would a Christian endorse such a man with those words spewing out of his mouth? Would you agree that those are racist comments?

    Again, what I said regarding Mitt Romney, and what I still stand on is as follows…

    ” The theology of Mitt Romney has a broad history of racial suppression, something that he has refused to acknowledge as sin. Written in their sacred books stand a theology that all black people have been cursed.”

    Regarding voter ID, one of the supreme court judges asked the state, “What is the rush to implement these laws so fast?” Of which there was no justifiable answer. Implement these laws for the next election, I have no problem with that, as there will be plenty of time for all to have it done. Once again, voter fraud evidence amounted to 1 in 15 million. And this has been without the need for a picture ID. Change the law, fine, but what’s the rush? To implement it now will discount millions of Americans from voting, and the overwhelming majority it will affect are the poor, and that is SIN.

    You asked, ” Now please inform us what positions Obama is currently taking on the issues of abortion and gay marriage, if you would?”

    Why? I never told you that I was voting for President Obama, nor do I feel the need to defend any of those positions that I don’t agree with. Secondly, this thread is about Romney not Obama.

    You obviously have missed the entire point. My position from the onset has been that the Republican party is just as corrupt as the Democratic party; hence equal weights and measures must be levied to them both. This is why I thanked Dr. Brown for having Bob Enyart on his show.

  27. Thank you Dr. Brown for hosting this discussion on Mitt Romney. Mr Enyart brought much to our attention that we Christian must consider. We must never align ourselves with anyone who would support the killing of innocent children and it is clear that Mr Romney with his exceptions does not believe children in the womb are created in the image of God and worthy of protection. May God continue to bless you and your Line of Fire ministry.

  28. How do we turn the country around? Truth. God’s enduring truth. National Right to Life, Christian pro-life leaders, and Christian pastors insist on compromising God’s truth, by telling their followers and church-goers to vote for politicians willing to compromise on God’s enduring commands (including, “Do not kill the innocent”). This country is in moral free-fall, because of the Godless, to be sure. But, more so, because of Christian compromise.

  29. Obviously the lies need to be addressed. As an Illinois State Senator, President Obama voted in favor of not allowing any medical treatment for children who survive an abortion. Mr. Enyart claimed this was not true. It is a fact and can be checked. It is also a fact that some medical personnel defied these laws and saved children who survived abortion procedures in Illinois. They are alive and their testimonies are clear! Again this is a fact that can be verified.

    As to the moral difference between Mr. Romney and President Obama. We are voting for a President who will act upon the will of his political party. The anti-GOD Democratic Party is pro-death and pro homosexual marriage. The pro-GOD Republican Party is pro-life and pro-traditional marriage. The person in the White House will veto or sign legislation that conforms to the will of his party. So there is a huge moral difference between what each candidate will do as president, regardless of their past personal actions.

    Another very important point is that the President will appoint judges who will make law for decades. Obama will appoint anti-GOD secular judges, where Romney will appoint judges that honor the 10 Commandments. When Obama was asked about abortion he said that if his daughters ever became “accidentally” pregnant he would want the option of abortion available so their lives would not be destroyed! When is a blessing from GOD ever something that destroys anyone?

    However, regardless of how the election goes, GOD is in control and we in JESUS are already victors.

  30. Michael, Thank you so much for having Bob Enyart on your program. He certainly had a lot of truth to express
    Many Christians seem to have hardened their hearts to the plight of our precious unborn. They need our voice in defending and protecting them. Their lives are no less valuable then any of ours. An abomination in the eyes of our Lord to have such an attitude.
    I appreciate Bob Enyart’s passion for standing for the unborn. He is exposing the lies that many are buying into. Being a Republican doesn’t
    make someone moral in their value system.
    I heard Paul Ryan last night……….not every human life is precious to him either. Lord have mercy on this country……..how far we have fallen.
    God bless you, Michael. Continue to stand strong……….love you and your ministry. ;o)
    Elaine Adams

  31. A key point from last night’s debate that everyone needs to think long and hard about:

    BIDEN: “The court — the next president will get one or two Supreme Court nominees. That’s how close Roe v. Wade is. Just ask yourself, with Robert Bork being the chief adviser on the court for — for Mr. Romney, who do you think he’s likely to appoint? Do you think he’s likely to appoint someone like Scalia or someone else on the court far right that would outlaw (inaudible) — outlaw abortion? I suspect that would happen.

    I guarantee you, that will not happen. We picked two people. We pick people who are open-minded. They’ve been good justices. So keep an eye on the Supreme Court.”

    The Supreme Court justices have LIFETIME APPOINTMENTS! Folks, If we allow Barack Obama to pick two more radical pro-abortion ultra-liberal justices like Sotomayor and Kagan, the Court will be tilted to that radical ideology for YEARS! Is that what you want? I hope not. I appeal to you to think long and hard about that.

    (Brian, I do intend to respond to your post as I get the chance.)

  32. Brian, to respond to your post:

    First off, I think it is rather ironic how you talk to me about quoting you in context, while at the same time telling me that I have a problem with calling racism sin.

    It is really semantics anyway as you will see “wrong” or “wrongdoing” as synonyms for “sin”. But you also don’t quote where I already told you: “I thought I would clarify why it is important that you give proof that Romney has or would govern in a racist manner as opposed to having a racist belief (which I would clarify is also a sin but has not been proved that he holds).”

    So it is ironic you want to chide me about quoting in context.

    But I understand fully the context of your comment about not voting for Bush. And we could get into the war and whether or not it was legitimate. But that is not my point. My point is you said you couldn’t vote for Bush without blood being on your hands but yet you took issue with Dr. Brown saying:

    “While I say no Christian can possibly vote for Mr. Obama to be president…”

    Then in post # 10 above, you say, “It is quite evident that no Christian can vote for Romney.”

    You complain about non-equal weights and measures so why do you believe that statements such as that are equal with your complaint for Dr. Brown saying what he did about Obama?

    You also said about abortion, that it is not the only issue. Yet you seemed to think the war was one issue that could keep you from voting for Bush. Again, that does not seem to be equal weights and measures, does it?

    Now as far as Santorum goes, I already told you I didn’t know about those videos when I voted for him. If he were still running, just as Dr. Brown told you, I agree that I would want to find out if he retracted those statements and if he in fact, had governed in a racist manner as a congressman. However, as I said already, he is not running.

    Now as far as the links I supplied, I don’t EXPECT you to go to all of them if you don’t want to. You asked me questions about how I could support the idea of laws requiring an ID to vote, did you not? I believed I was answering your question. I provided information for you if you cared to understand why I believed the way I do. If you choose not to read the information after you asked the question, that’s your choice. You do as you like. But don’t blame me for answering the question that you asked me.

    Now when I asked you about telling us Obama’s positions on abortion and gay marriage, you said. “Why? I never told you that I was voting for President Obama, nor do I feel the need to defend any of those positions that I don’t agree with. Secondly, this thread is about Romney not Obama.
    You obviously have missed the entire point. My position from the onset has been that the Republican party is just as corrupt as the Democratic party; hence equal weights and measures must be levied to them both. This is why I thanked Dr. Brown for having Bob Enyart on his show.”

    Your right, you never said you were voting for Obama. I never said you were either. You could tell me who you are voting for if you want. I have been up-front about who I was voting for. But that is your decision. I never asked you who you were voting for or tried to say who you were voting for. But you were the one trying to compare Romney and Obama as if they were equal, not me. I am just asking you to back that up. I have shown you Mitt Romney’s current positions. Are you going to say they are the same as Obama’s?

  33. If you decide to vote then research, seek out the truth and pray about it. If you don’t vote, like me, than that’s that.

    My biggest concern is the level of hope/despair over politics in the christian community. If we truly are a democratic republic than the government will change when it’s people do. Get the heart(people) of this nation to meet the Lord and righteous politics will follow…that is if we are still a nation “for the people, by the people”.

    Or, we could just sit back on our comfortable couches(like I’m doing now) and argue political theory all the while placing blame on corrupt politicians… even though our theories and half truths are fed to us by bias media outlets and people with predisposed positions most often funded by large corporations and their lobbyists who go on to get their guy elected to repeat the cycle all over again!

    My goodness, is it really only me that believes we are already past the point where a futile election will solve our problems?

  34. And let me be very clear, by “righteous politics” I mean protecting the unborn, not another prohibition or any nonsense like that.

  35. Obama and Romney are both pro-Abortion, but Obama is more radical with regards to Abortion than Romney.

    To me, the main difference is only one will defend and stand with Israel, the other will do everything in his power to undermine their security.

  36. David Roberts, I’m assuming the reason you would say that Romney is pro-abortion, even now it this current time as opposed to the past, is because he hold to a position of banning abortions with exceptions for certain circumstances.

    But as you accurately point out, Obama is more radical with regard to abortion. Obama will not even point out one single circumstance where abortion should be illegal.

    As someone who does not want to see a single unborn baby butchered and literally torn limb from limb as they are taken out of the womb, I am saddened by the situation we find ourselves in at the ballot box.

    But I believe the righteous course of action is to vote in a way that will save the most babies. I believe I have made a strong case in posts #’s 25, 35 and 37 that course of action is met by voting for Romney.

    I definitely agree with you on Israel. All indications are that if Netanyahu was free to speak openly about the U.S. election, that he would agree with you as well.

  37. Dave (the previous Dave, not the one I just posted to),

    I agree that our hope is not in politics. I also agree that we need to be working to get people’s hearts right in this nation. What we truly need is revival.

    But I don’t look at it as an either/or proposal. I believe we can seek spiritual revival while at the same time, seeking to elect the best people we can to preserve our nation from falling off a cliff before the spiritual revival happens.

    I know our hope is not in the White House. But until such time as there is a great awakening (and we need to passionately work for that as well) I believe we must do the best we can to elect the best leaders we can actually get into positions of power while the nation is still in its unregenerate state.

    My goal, for instance, is to save the most babies I can while this nation is still apathetic and has not been in revival, still hoping and working for revival at the same time.

    Does that make sense?

  38. I just noticed I Cor 10:1 which says that both the Gentiles who believe and the Jews of the Old Testament have the same fathers.

    Doesn’t that makes us of the same family of God?

    I feel closely related to the apostle Paul who was of the Jews. We are related by the same blood.
    Eph 1:7.

    In the body of Christ a man who drives a low rider should get along with one who drives a 4 wheel drive.

    So I should care about what goes on in Jerusalem, but not just Jerusalem, though Jerusalem might be a political or cultural hot spot at times.

  39. I agree to a point Ray, but be careful not to fall into replacement theology. God has a distinct plan for the Jewish people and the land of Israel. The church has not replaced that at all.

  40. Yes, Jonathan, it does make sense. While I still tend to lean away from politics, mainly because it’s end result is always division of some kind it seems, I appreciate what you are saying and DO believe God has called many into this arena of life.

    It’s not hard to get real black and white on this issue, especially because of the reality that our voting IS what elects a president. I’ve just seen this cycle repeat itself over and over and over again every 4 years. Yet regardless of the man in office the country, as a whole, continues farther down the same troubling path.

    Not only that but it brings up many other issues. Such as the birth control pill. Did you know it works in three different ways, or stages? If the first preventative measures don’t work the third actually destroys the fetus(?) after conception. The “morning after pill” is simply a potent birth control pill that ensures the 3rd phase of “prevention” is accomplished. It has the same exact chemicals used in the regular birth control pill.

  41. This is why I always come back to the same understanding. Our problems as a nation are beyond human remedy. Either God shows up or we are in serious trouble.

  42. Not all birth control pills work in the same way. The UK Christian Medical Fellowship has a website full of info on the how to avoid abortifacient methods of family planning, and their advice is up to date. Cerazette is a newish minipill, and it does not work like the ones you mention. However, the new coil with hormones does cause abortions.

    Just adding my two pennyworth to avoid making Christians look silly.

  43. Point taken, Anthea. But the point is that most Americans don’t even realize that birth control pills can and do cause abortions.

    I agree with Dave that politics can be polarizing. But let’s not forget that Christ said that He came to divide. When we stand for what is right, whether that be in the realm of politics or the realm of the church, it will cause division. But I understand your point.

    I also agree with you Dave that our problems as a nation will not be solved by any human, whether it be a politician or political party or anything else. But when I vote, I am not looking for an earthly savior. I am looking, not to save the country by my vote, but to slow it’s descent into the abyss. Reasons such as trying to save the most unborn children that I can by my vote are why I do it. I have no pretension that I will save them all through a political leader. Because I know that our hope in actually changing hearts is found in Christ and Christ alone. But as the church pursues revival, I feel we must seek to do our best to slow the country’s free-fall in the meantime. That means electing the best imperfect leaders we can get into office in the meantime.

  44. Thanks for clarifying, Anthea. My post was mostly to just make a general point about politics, not criminalize birth control:) But either way it’s good to hear there are alternatives.

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