Dr. Brown and Rabbi Shmuley Boteach talk the day before their NYC debate, discussing their new books, the upcoming debate, and Rabbi Shmuley’s congressional aspirations, and Dr. Brown shares some additional spiritual reflections.
Hour 1:
Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: Why can’t we put all the issues on the table? Why can’t those who accept Jesus as Messiah and those who reject Jesus as Messiah sit down together, talk face to face, put the issues on the table, find their areas of commonality, find their areas of difference, learn from each other, and do their best to communicate the truth? Why not?
Hour 2:
Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: We have life, truth, the foundations, the ways, the purpose, and the plan of God. Let us live this out and demonstrate it to the world!
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I think Dr. Brown and Rabbi Shmuley are both good role models, genuinely good and funny guys. I really enjoyed today’s show and I’d love to see more of Dr. Brown and Rabbi Shmuley together.
I dont know. I appreciate the whole understanding thing but when a man states he is Anti-Missionary–lets not forget what that means– I am very uneasy. Arent we inviting dissent into the family? Almost welcoming one to fish for doubters.
On a one-on-one basis I could more understand engaging such a man[Schmulley]. But when you are broadcasting to many–and most arent as equipped in the word– it becomes an opportunity for anti missionaries.
What are we flirting with when we say a man that states proudly he is anti missionary, is a good role model? What does the good book say about paradise for those that reject Christ but are “good people”?
And I must add, When Schmulley says Christians should have their God, has the man forgotten the Commandment of there being 1 God. I dont believe it said “Just For Us”.
YEHOshua is YEHOvah the Son, Pray for mr. Shmuley
@Magnus, lets not get caught up in being overly cautious. Dr Brown is not endorsing Shmuley’s anti Christian views nor will it invite dissent. Nothing wrong with Shumley sharing his point of view. Its good that we get to know where hes coming from.
Rav Boteach,
I think that you would be a huge upgrade as President of the States.
Dr. Michael Brown,
What eschatological interpretation do you hold?
Post, Mid, Pre Trib?
Post or pre millenium?
Progresive or classical dispensationalism?
Or an idealist?
I know we major on the majors, just curious on if you claim any one group of interpretation.
It brought joy to hear Rav Shmuley today. Blessings.
Rabbi Shmuley’s civility and respect towards Dr. Brown is a credit to him. His opinion will be valued much more by others and will carry more weight because of his positive demeanor in this ongoing debate concerning Kosher Jesus.
I know from having grown up in Jersey that the Northern tone of voice sounds more gruff, which can come across as rude, to the ears of those who aren’t used to it. Northerners just state their opinions with a great deal of confidence, much more rapidly (especially to Southern ears) and they cut to the chase quickly. The Southern drawl is learned by each generation too, so we should remember that in judging the Rabbi’s presentation. Even though he’s mistaken in his assessment of Jesus as Messiah he did get the kosher part right! 🙂
My prayers are with you this evening Dr. Brown!
Why would anyone forsake the pleasures of this world to gain Christ? One reason is that we have hope in Christ. Our hope is real because Jesus was raised from the dead and is Lord. A life of living for Christ is rewarded with life everlasting. Knowing that people want to be thought of as good,I think, shows the importance of gentleness. God’s plan is the best plan.
BenKC:”lets not get caught up in being overly cautious”
When Eternity is a one shot deal, I cant help but be cautious. Im not saying it isnt a dialogue to be having but Im a little confused at the niceties. Imagine if someone was talking this way about your mother. Why do we afford less to the Lord?
When does the “dust off your sandals” thing come into play?
I *love* the moment(s) of silence before the school day begins idea of Rb.Boteach…..
Principles don’t save; a PERSON does (Yeshua).
Dan1el:”Principles don’t save”
Then what condemns you?
I’m just saying that all of Shmuley Boteach’s ideas (though I love him with the heart God gave me for Yeshua’s flesh and blood relatives) are going to be a variation on Judaism, and it is the false notion of Judaism (along with every other religion) that “we can make ourselves better if we just follow these little principles” which is at the heart of its message which is the thing that we reject as “salvific”. A nation is not saved by good principles any more than a person is; it is blessed only when its people turns to God through Messiah Yeshua.
This has happened before (a nation/city turning to God) – look at Almolonga, Guatemala; that city is (if I’m not mistaken) 98%+ Christian: they have 3 harvests per year of gigantic vegetables, there are no jails (because there is no crime), there are no bars (to name a few of beautiful social miracles that God has done through the city turning to Christ).
This didn’t happen when they turned to “principles”, such as “let’s spend a minute thinking”, which is “powerless”, emanating from the human; God is needed if our spiritual bankruptcy is to be “fixed” – a “principle” can’t cut it.
When Christ said in Matt 18:15 “If your brother sins against you”, how do we know what that sin is if we dont have laws? When Christ says in John 8:11 ,”Go and Sin no more” what sin is being broken?
How do we know what direction to follow if we throw out the laws?
Because we have Free Will we need to know what is right and what is wrong.
magnus,
thanks for taking up Bo’s perennial argument with Dan1el 🙂
THE LAW WRITTEN ON OUR HEART.
Paul can’t argue against this; why do we?
The Spirit emanates from the Father; the Father wrote the Law with His finger, and gave Moses instruction as to details. Statutes, ordinances, traditions: these can be modified or changed.
Orthodox Jewish tradition says the Torah is absolute, and prophets second-class (I have read). Replacement theology declares that the Law has been usurped by the Spirit completely. I suggest that both extremes are dangerous: let’s look again to the Heart.
In Him, Ron M.
Not only america but the whole of western civilization is in deep deep trouble on this LGBT issue. In our modern philosophical psychological arrogance we are going to overturn thousands of years of history both secular & religious with america is @ the forefront this perversion.
What should we expect from the ALMIGHTY ??
with america is @ the forefront of this perversion.
with america @ the forefront of this perversion.
Sorry MB I wrote this 1/2 asleep
“…we are going to overturn thousands of years of history both secular & religious with america is @ the forefront this perversion”
No we arent. If you sound your objection when you hear and see such behaviour you arent part of the problem at all. People have been cowed into silence. We dont raise a hand to it, but we sure can raise our voices.
It would surprise you how many feel the same way. The infection is this idea that saying No is some new four letter word. That if you burn your hand on a stove you cant warn others because that would be “Judging”.
Ron:”Replacement theology declares that the Law has been usurped by the Spirit completely. I suggest that both extremes are dangerous: let’s look again to the Heart.”
Looking to the Heart? Isnt that waiting for clarity? I think this feeds into another concern. Are we guided by Free Will or do we just wait around until the Lord guides us? Romans 9:18-19 “Therefore God has mercy on whom he wants to have mercy, and he hardens whom he wants to harden. Then why does God still blame us? For who resists his will?”
Is it a wait and see thing? Is patience the message?
I see my comment was taken down. Was saying that I dont think people should have such a give-up attitudes about the cultural decay around us that offensive? Voice your opinion when you see abhorrent behaviour? Shame lurks even in those that appear not to care. Is shame a bad motivator?
People not only lashed out when John the Baptist was loud but they reacted the same to Christ “eating and drinking,” (Matt11:19).
Im taken aback that my comment was considered extreme. And a tad offended it was removed.
I wont dignify the Tag being used for the March 13th, 2012 @ 3:51am comment
“YEHOshua is YEHOvah the Son, Pray for mr. Shmuley”
Certainly. Is there no place for pointing out where one is wrong? You know the saying God helps those that help themself? Telling your family you love them isnt the same as consistently getting up for work and doing the things that demonstrate that Love is actually more than just saying it. In other words, Pray but Do.
Magnus,
I haven’t been following the discussion here, but what comment are you referring to that was allegedly removed?
Sir, it would have been a comment from very late on the 14th or very early on the 15th, after comment number 22, here on this page.
I dont believe I used any foul language and my thought followed what Ive asked with my new post, number 23.
I would appreciate being told what I shouldnt have said. It wouldnt be the first time for me, I can be lazy with my words at times, but I dont believe it was even provocative. Thank you.
Im certainly not one of the more knowledgeable people about the Bible here. Within reason I state what my first thoughts are about topics. I get so lost in all the definitions of Replacement theology this and Dual Covenant Theology that. I find myself suffocating from all the new language.
Sir, Something must be going on. I left a response to your post number 25 several hours ago. I return and it isnt posted either. Im using the same EMail address and Name that I have always used here.
MAGNUS SAID:No we arent. If you sound your objection when you hear and see such behaviour you arent part of the problem at all. People have been cowed into silence. We dont raise a hand to it, but we sure can raise our voices.
It would surprise you how many feel the same way. The infection is this idea that saying No is some new four letter word. That if you burn your hand on a stove you cant warn others because that would be “Judging”.
The “WE” I meant was as a society @ large.
Theres a larger & larger percentage who are accepting of these attitudes and for the first time in history its creeping into the church as “acceptable”…
As a nation we are constantly tempting God.
Will we now as a church do the same ??
I shudder to think ! ! !
I dont understand what is going on. Those comments werent there when I looked last night.