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It just dawned on me that Yeshua DID address the issue of “the Shema” in John…
Joh 17:11 Holy Father, keep them in Thy Name, which Thou hast given Me — that they may be one, even as We are.
He said that God IS One… 🙂
(God is One; but is a complex unity: He prayed that the church would be “one” after the same manner He and the Father were “one”, in their own “complex unity”/echad… thus declaring that the “shema” spoke of Their [Yeshua & the Father’s] “Echadic” Oneness, desiring that the church’s “oneness” would mimic their’s)
Dan1el, re: John 17:11 — nice!
I have to honestly say that it popped into my head while reading something, and i myself cannot lay claim to it — as you know, it is God’s wisdom, and to be shared with the community of believers!
Glory be to our God!
God is one! Not three!
Shma yisrael adonai eloheinu adonai echad!
Jesus Christ is the one old testament God manifest in the flesh! Not a 2nd of a three headed committee!
Jesus is the almighty! God bless you all…
“Chassidic teaching explains that, on the contrary, echad represents a deeper unity than yachid. Yachid is a oneness that cannot tolerate plurality—if another being or element is introduced into the equation, the yachid is no longer yachid. Echad, on the other hand, represents the fusion of diverse elements into a harmonious whole. The oneness of echad is not undermined by plurality; indeed, it employs plurality as the ingredients of unity.”
According to… The Chassidic Rabbis! 🙂
My heart just swells with joy to see how you’ve grown in faith and your understanding of Scripture! You must be studying often and are being rewarded ten fold for your efforts.
Thank you so much for sharing John 17 with the rest of us, I’ve been enlightened by it, it’s right on the mark!
You always bring pertinent information to the conversations you join as well! Thanks to you too!
It makes me happy to call you both brothers. We need to hold each other up whenever possible and all the more as we see the day of our redemption drawing near.
To God be the Glory, Great things He has done!!
Eric, if I recall, you were the one who referred me to this link, which I then shared on the air today. Thanks again!
Hi Dr. Brown,
Yes that was me. Also, I did hear you mention it on the air. No problem :). That was an interesting reply you got from your Rabbi friend on it.
God bless you.
Thanks Sheila God bless you!
God bless you Dr.Brown!!!
I love…. your radio show. Please let me know the name of the cd that plays the back grown music. I would like to buy it.
I agree! But that leaves the question. A plurality of what? Persons? Absolutetly not! Let’s ask the rabbis..they beg to differ…
Jesus Christ is the Almighty God manifest in the flesh.
John 1:1,14, 1 Tim 3:16
At 01:33:00 and 01:33:39, you say that the Spirit and the Water are the same… maybe you just meant that they are so intertwined?
I only mention this, because 1 John says “there are THREE that testify: the “water, the blood and the Spirit”.
Does this mean that water is one, and blood is different, and Spirit is different?
What book was Dr. Brown talking about at the beginning? The one that he was finishing?
Also, thanks for answering my question about Islamic apologetics. Can’t wait to see you active in that field.
Dan1el, actually, they could be the same in John 3, based on the Greek wording, but I prefer the reading of water meaning baptism.
I was in town the other day and I saw a women in a heated exchange with two Muslim men.
She said, “The God of Israel, He’s the true God!”
And they said, “Nah women, it’s Allah. Allah Hu Akbar”.
And they went on for a time like that. Then they saw me from a distance, looked at the women and shouted out, oh look there’s your buddy, the Jew!
This made me wonder what is the right way to deal with confrontation for Believers. Part of me wanted to go and talk to them and see what all the fuss was about, but they were very angry and the women started to walk away with her hand held up to the Muslims saying, “Nah, it’s the God of Israel!” (the hand being held up meaning talk to the hand cause the face aint listening).
I was in town to get someone from a store there, so I just walked into the store since the confrontation was over, but you could still hear the Muslim men shouting from inside the store.
I’m ready to die for the Lord if and when God wants me to, to sanctify His glorious name, but I don’t want to agitate/aggravate a situation needlessly either.
If I was closer to them and they weren’t so angry, I probably would have talked apologetics with them.
So I’d love to hear your thoughts on how to deal with angry Muslims.
If I was going to enter a situation like that, I would PRAY, PRAY AND then PRAY some more, FIRST!
side note: Christians are coming under increasing persecution and death from all quarters of the globe. Let’s remember to pray and stand with them because the U.S. news broadcasters certainly DON’T ever report it and we tend to forget! I think the most difficult of the Lord’s commandments is to pray and love those who persecute us. Wormbrand was a model for all of us and the man never came to hate his persecutors–amazing.
“how to deal with angry Muslims…”
In 2000, taking a Arab bus to Nablus (Shekem), I inquired at the ‘chamber of commerce’ as to Mt. Ebal and Gerizim, and found indeed the ‘shoulder’ between them. There was a path through the old town area that ascended to the top of Mt. Gerizim, and I climbed it behind a grinning man on a donkey. After investigating the grounds and spectacular view a few hours, I went back down and bought some ‘mia’ (water) at a little shop. I had no idea at the time why people stared at me; I was wearing hiking shorts!
There is a lot more to the story; this is the introduction. The point is: there was a time prior to the fall of 2000 where the Palestinians, Christians, and Jews coexisted in relative peace. How quickly we forget.
In Him, Ron M.
So, John 3 says water and spirit, but 1 John says water and spirit are not the same?
Why would you deduce that from my comments?
A big amen on the power of prayer. And yes, many more should be praying for those on the frontlines on the missionfield abroad and at home.
I used to keep up a lot with news of persecution from overseas, but I got burnt out by it. Some of the stories I heard of what was happening to the Assyrian Christians in Iraq left me numb. But yes, they all need a prayers so much.
There is something for His people about being ONE, as are He and the Father we have not yet come to. Center on the Gospel, and the Commission counsel and it will be so by the Spirit and mutual submission. The time is short.
I am reading the unusual interchange under comments here with some wonder!
One thing commonly rejected about the Great Commission is:
Eccl. 4:12 I’m preparing for those within my near influence that will receive the message of the Lord’s prayer for us as in John 17:11. I am bowed down at present with the personal commitment to do just that. The forum here is sometimes condusive to the message and other times not. Feel free to elaborate and shoulder it with me. I pray for help to join me soon for that purpose. I can’t dictate the proceedings of all of our studies, I need to await my turn. It’s coming this Spring when I have eight weeks of sessions that I’ve almost finished.
“And though a man might prevail against one who is alone, two will withstand him—a threefold cord is not quickly broken.”
Please pick it up for those here if you’re inclined.
FOR ALL OF OUR LORD’S CHURCH:
“The prayer that sparks revival begins long before the countryside seems to awaken from its slumber in sin. It starts when men fall on their knees and cry out to God. That’s where true intimacy with God takes place and we begin the journey of being transformed into the image of Christ. And as men are transformed, the course of a nation can be changed.”
Watch that visioning reality, it can alter one’s being, in the Messiah. Pray for our presenting stuff here on our family level to be addressed in order to move ahead to the shared yoke you have described. Psalm 91.
To the first part– 🙂
I will keep you in my prayers. May you and your family find refuge, wellbeing and peace in your lives through the Lord this day.
ESV – 2Cr 12:9 –
But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
May Psalm 91 enlighten your souls and hearts as it does mine!
Thanks for your words.
I did not deduce that from what you said; I *asked the question*: why do you say the Water and Spirit are the same and 1 J says they are differently?
Please forgive me if I’m being “smart”-mouth or arrogant.
These are just a few verses that pose hurdles to my believing your take. Can you walk me through them?
1. 1Jn 5:7 For there are *three* that testify:
1Jn 5:8 1) the Spirit and 2) the water and 3) the blood; and these three agree.
Why are they called *three*, if they are *two*?
2. Why does Ephesians 5:26 equate the Water with the Word?
Eph 5:26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,
3. The “problem”, I think, is because the Water and Spirit are so closely interlinked that it is difficult to distinguish them: the Word CONTAINS the Spirit…
Joh 6:63 It is the Spirit that giveth Life… the Words that I have spoken unto you are Spirit, are are Life.
Joh 1:4 In Him (Word) was (Spirit) Life…
The Two Are NOT the Same, but ARE One (package).
4. (In Genesis, the Spirit was hovering over the Face of the Waters — don’t know if that’s a connection.)
5. [John 4] When I receive the (Living) Water (Words/Testimony) Jesus gives me, it will become a Spring of Living (Spirit) Water (Words); however, this is only because I will have received the Spirit/Life that is in those Words. Whoever rejects the Testimony/Word also cannot have the Life.
It is the Spirit of the Father Who speaks Words; and yet, the Word is something different from the Spirit — and, I think, the Water is the Word.
If it’s any consolation, I have a stumbling block with that too. It says in another that Jesus is that water of life. It doesn’t hinder me, it’s just that I would like to understand as much as possible too. I associate it with the image of the Lord standing on the rock with Moses in the wilderness, so I understand your trying to tie it together where you can.
There’s a few other things that have me running around in circles too. 🙂
Plus, the Spirit is called “the Ingraft Word”.
Why does it seem like Ephesians 5:26 equate the Water with the Word?
Eph 5:26 that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word,
Not necessarily an equating, but maybe in reference to this:
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
You wrote:”Plus, the Spirit is called “the Ingraft Word”.”
The word must be on our hearts…that is, we must love it. Then we do it. Then it is ingrafted.
10 when you obey the LORD your God by keeping His commands and statutes that are written in this book of the law and return to Him with all your heart and all your soul.
11 “This command that I give you today is certainly not too difficult or beyond your reach.
12 It is not in heaven, so that you have to ask, ‘Who will go up to heaven, get it for us, and proclaim it to us so that we may follow it?’
13 And it is not across the sea, so that you have to ask, ‘Who will cross the sea, get it for us, and proclaim it to us so that we may follow it?’
14 But the message is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, so that you may follow it.
The Spirit is not called the “Ingraft Word.” James says that we are to “receive with meekness the engrafted word that is able to save our souls.” This speaks of where the word is to be…in our hearts. The Spirit is the one that writes YHWH’s law on our hearts, but the Spirit is not equated with the word. If YHWH’s word is written on our hearts we become “doers of the word” instead of “hearers only.” If we do not let the Spirit write it on our hearts, we are doomed to break it. Peter also speaks of the word of YHWH saving us…”being born again” by it.
1 Peter 1
22 Seeing ye have purified your souls in obeying the truth through the Spirit unto unfeigned love of the brethren, see that ye love one another with a pure heart fervently:
23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
24 For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
25 But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.
The purifying of our souls comes from obeying the truth/word of YHWH. The word that that endures forever. And that word is the same word that the Isaiah had in mind, whom Peter is quoting. The scriptures. Thus we are to live by every word that has proceeded from YHWH’s mouth. It is incorruptible seed in that it does not change. It abides forever. Messiah told us not to think that He came to change it. It can’t be changed. It is perfect according to James and David. If it changes it either was not perfect or it is not, now that it is changed.
Very quickly (once again, time is short, as always), first, I’m not in the least big dogmatic about the possible interpretations I offered for John 3; second, as I stated on the show, the Greek wording in John 3 could imply that the water is the Spirit; third, it’s possible that a different point is being made in 1 John 5. I’ll leave it to you and others to sort out.
@Bo, of course you know this, but one thing people don’t seem to get is that the Torah is a blessing and a gift from our heavenly father.
Who in their right mind would want their blessing, their gift taken away from them?
To have your spiritual blessing and gift taken is to be spiritually poor and destitute.
Exile is a curse, not a blessing.
Sadly people are still profaning the LORD to this day, yet praise God that,
“It shall come to pass that from one New Moon to another, and from one Sabbath to another, all flesh shall come to worship before Me,” says the Lord.” Isaiah 66:23
I appreciate your reply. Please forgive me for any disturbance I’ve caused. I thank Jesus and the Father for your ministry. Amen
David Roberts – what is your background – you make an interesting assertion – one that would have to include Gentiles to be incumbent to obey every law in the Torah that is incumbent on Jews. Why if this is the case is this not clear in Scripture, nor in the teachings of the early disciples of the disciples in the early ancient writings – yet what is clear is from Acts – Gentiles do not have to be Jews or have all the Laws of the Torah that is for Jews only be incumbent on Gentiles – even the Talmud and Oral Torah of the Ancient writings concur in agreement with the sentiment of the distinction between Jew and Gentile and their required responsibilities before the God of Israel in rule observance. Just a couple thoughts of mine – Scripture is not contradictory, so either Gentiles obey all the Torah or they do not – but none the less – “teaching them to do all that I have commanded you” must be coherent with the sentiment of the Jerusalem council that explicitly ruled in unison with common rabbinical thought that Gentiles only need obey a version of a Noahide Law system – the Jerusalem council seemed to rule in a similar fashion – this is clear and explicit – the theory that you bring would contradict this and call for myself to believe in something not clearly taught and not explicitly confirmed – peace and blessings, just my thoughts – God bless
Dan1el, no disturbance at all. I don’t see a lot of the posts but I did see your good questions and tried to answer briefly. God bless!
-Praise the Lord!
The Christian has only ONE heavenly Father (Mal 2:10)
I acknowledge Jesus Christ as my father. I do not relegate Jesus as a 2nd person in a heavenly committee. He is the one Almighty God.
I am unsure if Dr. Brown covered this on the show, so I will give a brief response but I do apologize if we are going off topic. We can simply move it to another thread on the relevant subject at hand.
It is true as Christians we only have one God, one Father. Amen. When Jesus is called Father in Isaiah 9:6 (9:5 in Hebrew) it’s speaking in terms of Creator. Father/Creator.
I just want to ask you one question though, how do you interpret John 17:5?
“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.”
Please give me your interpretation of this verse.
Thanks, God bless you and as I said we may need to move our discussion on to another thread/show.
Eric, I don’t think he covered it in specifics. And we can move this to another thread/show if you would like.
So my question is, would you call “The Father” father? Or would you call Jesus the father?
In response to your question.
John 17:5 – The hour was come for Jesus Christ, (who is God in flesh) to be glorified. He was speaking as an authentic Human being praying to the eternal spirit of God. He wasn’t hanging on the cross before the world was, but he’s Praying to the Father, give me the glory that was in your plan from the very beginning. The only distinction is Jesus in his humanity.
It is not one God praying to another God, because in verse 3 he says “that they may know thee, the only true God..” So that would leave Jesus outside of the Godhead.
Jesus came into this world from above. He was incarnated as kinsman-redeemer. When addressing the scribes and Pharisees He mentioned knowing what He knew from where He came. Obviously coming into this world as a baby accilmated Him to the human condition, but, He was always aware of the glory He shared prior to creating creation with the Father, and prior to entering this world as chosen One Messiah. This glory will be revealed to human eyes and ears when He Returns. He is not a theologian, nor a Bible commentor, but fully human, fully divine.
Recall in the beginning of John Him with the Father, creating, then offering being born from above. He did not mention creedence in the testimony of those earth bound, but the testimony of the Spirit, the Word, the Father, the Water, and the Blood. We also have the intuitive testimony of truth remaining with us from the point of creation that we were created in His Image, and that we are adopted unto Him and “sit with Him” on His now reestablished Throne.
Glory of self, possessions, accomplishments, human strength, knowledge, or the orchestration of pleasures is not His Glory. It is in light and in Heaven. It is established as unbending light, unaltered reality, and sacrosanct truth. Truth is tempered by grace. He will Return, and, so as to complete the rivers of living water splitting the Mt. of Olives to go forth to the central earth directions. This will literally occur when He restores all things promised through the Prophets of Old. let it be so.
An admonision to us all. His Gospel conveyance is the present Divine Plan now carried to other potential believers by those now adopted and past adopted on this planet. Without the clarity of the Gospel Message and its inroads by proclamation to human hearts there can be no washing of the water of the Word. The Word is pure, quick, and powerful. We require its council to do the Will of the Father. The John 17 passages all are about achieving the cocommission given us all, and working in concert as ONE, for the ends of the establishment of the Kingdom of God (as it is in heaven’s glory), on earth. Selah!
admonition as above admpnision corrected
I replied to you on this thread:
WATER = hydrogen x 2 + oxygen, or FIRE!
WATER has 3 manifestations: solid, liquid, gas.
Recalling Rob’t. Frost’s “Fire & Ice”: hot & cold.
(not lukewarm). Separating the elements is recent understanding. Water also flows in springs and falls. Just a few thoughts.
See “Is Mary the Mother of God” for extensive arguments on the Trinity. I believe in Trinity, but not “separate but equal”. No need to rehash this.
I would like more discussion on how the Father’s bride Israel relates to the Son’s bride the Church: SINCE Father & Son (& Spirit) are ONE, doesn’t this make the Bride one also?
In Him, Ron M.
You commented on the water of John 3:5 as having 2 possible meanings. Isn’t it true that during the first 1500 years of the church that it was only interpreted one way (literal water i.e. the water of baptism) and that baptism and the new birth were the same event. Any other interpretations are new and/or novel.
Isn’t baptism in water God’s work, not man’s
work – see titus 3:5 – God saved us through the washing of regeneration(baptism)
I would like your comment on the “Noahide Laws” supposedly given to the gentiles contrasted to Exodus 12:49 ” The same law shall apply to the native as to the stranger who sojourns among you.” Thanks in advance for clarifying this for me. And thank you for your critical ministry to the “Jew” and the Gentile.
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