Why would a professing Christian deny Jesus and become an Orthodox Jewish rabbi? Find out when Dr. Brown dialogues with an Orthodox rabbi who says he once believed in Jesus as Messiah.
Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: God has called us as Jewish people to be a light to the world and to bring to the world the knowledge of God. Through whom has that come? Who has been the most influential Jew and Rabbi who has ever lived, and brought hundreds of millions of Gentiles to the knowledge of the God of Israel? There is only one candidate. Our Messiah and King, Jesus, Yeshua.
Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: Oh yes, the work of the Messiah is spreading throughout the entire world, more and more people are coming to the God of Israel through Jesus, Yeshua, the Messiah of Israel, and more and more Jewish eyes are being opened. It’s time my Jewish friends to look up. Redemption is growing near and in fact your Redeemer has already come!
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Dr. Brown Answers the Rabbis (including a recent video by Rabbi Asher Meza)
How an Orthodox Rabbi Marginalized Himself VOR Article by Dr. Michael Brown
This former Christian – now Orthodox Rabbi wouldn’t happen to be Yaakov Epharim, would it?
Oh, sorry I am listening now. I guess it’s not him :)..
Rabbi Moshe Otero!
I enjoyed the show a lot. I found it very educational and encouraging :)..
What I find interesting is how the vocabulary of the NT Scripture is making it’s way into the Orthodox vocabulary. Such as “spirit filled” and “The way the truth and the life.”
When he said Jesus was coming back and will be accepted into the Jewish nation again–I don’t understand what he meant by that. Does he mean Jesus will be resurrected as all Jews or He’s coming back to “set the record straight?”
He was a very pleasant and respectful person to listen to–but I will be praying for him!!
Is the audio for this debate going to be posted?
as for NT being unriable look at the OT. The hebrew scriptures were being written an rewritten countless times to reach there (almost) perfect form. Scholars say the torah is a combination of 4 sources (elohist,yahwah,priest,and Deuteronomist). Isreal was split into 2 nations for their majority of history house of israel up north and judah south which both have different views of God.
I really enjoyed the discussion, very educational and inspiring. Much of Rabbi Otero’s arguments were not scriptural, Barych HaShem for Dr. Brown.
Not sure where in the world he got the idea that the virgin birth isn’t in the earliest manuscripts of Matthew. Very odd. Excellent debate!
To the moderator:
Are you not going to fix the following broadcast page for comments–I was looking forward to talking to Jabez and others about that show. It’s very important to get Mr. Juster’s message out there. It’s this one:
“Dr. Brown Interviews Messianic Jewish Leader Asher Intrater”
January 3, 2012
I meant Asher Intrater! I’m reading a book by the both of them, “Israel, the Church and the Last Days.”
Our blood covenant is in Yesua Messiah; the rabbis no longer have one as a “daily sacrifice”; but some see the Holocaust as the sacrifice for returning to Israel.
Should we support Isreal in the rebuilding of the Third Temple? My short answer is ‘yes’; however, we must be extremely careful in our covenants with others in doing this. This also has a lot to do with who becomes our next president, not going into all the details.
The Third Temple will be built before Messiah returns, and He will be part of the return of animal sacrifices as the Prince in the Millennium; that’s my take on it from latter Ezekiel. The proper preparation of meat will again extend lifetimes, but not be a ‘requirement’ of salvation, as Immanuel will be with us.
I do not believe in present ‘dual covenant theology’, as blood is necessary for atonement.
In Him, Ron M.
Holocaust was Deut 28 curse.
Besides, the sacrifices had the be without blemish; they are deluded if they think they have no blemishes!!
So many evil things they believe in!
Also, they believe in “no human sacrifice”, right? What GARBAGE!
This is what makes their deliberate sacrifice of the firstborn to Molech (Baal) all the more sinister in direct disobedience to GOD, and why the U.S. is in such big trouble for sacrificing over 50 million babies to Satan in under 40 years; more than eight times the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust! We are in deep trouble.
The blood of Jesus, Yeshua Messiah, is pure enough to drink; no other in creation. This is something the Jews as a nation have not understood. If you understand the spiritual significance of Rev. 6:6, you see where we are at.
In Him, Ron M.
Hello,I am only an unregenerate Gentile who has some familiarity with Holy Scripture ; I am also familiar with some matters (and wineskins) that (intentionally or more likely,unintentionally) serve to disempower and desalinate (and leave unprepared) the British and American contingent of the Bride. That said,i have a comment on Michael’s interview with Moshe.
Moshe is described online as an ‘ex-Pentecostal minister’,so I think it is a real shame that the interview was steered towards a debate over manuscripts,rather than Moshe’s background – more specifically,towards a discussion of baptism in the Holy Spirit (note Galatians 3 : 2 – a question I would have liked Michael to have asked Moshe,indeed to have built the entire interview upon).
In the absence of information as to whether or not Moshe was baptised in the Holy Spirit as in Acts 2:4,I think Moshe’s situation is likely to be a common one in Britain and America : he may well NOT have been brought to the Lord properly ; not put through the elementary teachings ; not put through his paces so to speak – repentance FROM sin,faith INTO Jesus,immersion in both water and the Holy Spirit. He may have been put through a ‘sinner’s prayer’,told he was ‘born again’,and then left in a seriously deficient state. Perhaps he was baptised in the Holy Spirit,I hope Michael asks Moshe next time,or even before.
Therefore,and as a probable result of substandard (but well-meaning) Second Covenant workmanship (and if my assessment of the interview is correct) Moshe does not believe INTO Jesus (Greek ‘eis’ ,Strong’s number 1519 ) but thinks he can bypass the one (and only) Mediator between God and Moshe – the man Christ Jesus (1 Timothy 2:5-6). That’s a big deal,remember John 8:24 . If proper help had been given to Moshe in the PAST,there may have been no need to argue over manuscripts TODAY. Sow poor evangelism and discipleship,reap this kind of problem.
In the preface to ‘The Normal Christian Birth’,David Pawson says ‘The typical sinner’s prayer is seriously inadequate’.
If Moshe would read ‘Why Does God Allow Natural Disasters’ by David Pawson he might begin to get the kind of help he needs (in paperback or ebook). David’s DVD, ‘Lessons of the Holocaust for Jews and Christians’ may also be helpful.
I hope Moshe comes to know that Jesus is the Messiah and believes INTO Him (and REMAINS in Him),gets immersed in the Holy Spirit as in Acts 2:4 (if that did not take place sometime in the past),and finishes up in the new Jerusalem with the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb.
Next time,Michael,considering Moshe’s Pentecostal background,please build the interview upon Galatians 3 : 2.
I appreciate your perspective, but that was not the purpose of the interview. Let’s continue to pray for Moshe to be granted repentance to salvation.
Ehrman and your guest both seem to believe that between the time of writing and the earliest extant manuscripts that significant corruption took place in the NT. What they desire is some objective standard by which to judge the degree of alleged corruption.
In the book “The Book of Acts in the Setting of Hellenistic History”, Colin Hemer provided just such a standard. In a very careful work, he shows about 100 details relevant to the book of acts; details that can be verified, which would not likely be known except to one who had first hand experience of Paul’s travels. So if minute verifiable details are preserved in Acts, then is it not reasonable to assume that the miraculous details are also recorded without corruption? And since Acts is written by the same author who wrote the Gospel of Luke, and since both books were in the hands of Theophilus and then copied (presumably together), is it not reasonable to believe that if the book of Acts was accurately transmitted, that the Gospel of Luke was also accurately transmitted.
Lastly of course, is the testimony of the church Fathers, some of whom new the apostles (e.g. Polycarp), quoted extensively from the NT, taught the same message as the NT and died for their beliefs.
It seems all of this needs be explained before one can make the claims of corruption of the NT documents.
My thinking goes like this :
If Moshe was not baptised in the Holy Spirit,in the manner of Acts 2:4 ; and if he did not have a conscious relationship with the Holy Spirit thereafter,then he was not brought to the Lord properly,or fully – and that lack of baptism in the Holy Spirit,would seem a strange position for an Assemblies of God elder to be in.
If,on the other hand,he was,and did – then,as Chinese underground disciples would say,Moshe would have to deny his own (conscious)experience.
Thus,Galatians 3:2 seems a master key here.
I havn’t listen to the debate yet (this I am going to do now), but there are two I would say useful books about NT, and four gospels in particular. One I have read already, and the other I am reading right now:
— Heresy of Orthodoxy: How Contemporary Culture’s Fascination with Diversity Has Reshaped Our Understanding of Early Christianity (www.amazon.com/Heresy-Orthodoxy-Contemporary-Understanding-Christianity/dp/1433501430/ )
— Who Chose the Gospels?: Probing the Great Gospel Conspiracy ( http://www.amazon.com/Who-Chose-Gospels-Probing-Conspiracy/dp/0199551235 )
In my mind, they make case for reliability of NT. (you can even find my review of the first one on amazon 😉 )
after listening to this exchange, I can say that the rabbi seems as nice person and not arrogant or anything.
Still, situation seems very sad.
Here’s the situation. Basically, Jesus Christ – the one and only sacrifice for sins to whom all Hebrew sacrifices were a type, is set aside in favor of some other mean of attaining salvation.
Sure, given fact of progressive revelation, some fraction of human societies could be treated accordingly to the light they have received, especially before coming of Christ. But now, after the whole and complete work of human salvation, to disregard God’s perfect provision is … I would say very dangerous decision.
Books could be written on the following passages, and probably are… (especially on so-called “unforgivable sins” in Hebrews), but whatever the case, in light of best exegesis and such, it seems at least on the basic level, as very dangerous move to slide from Christianity into Judaism hoping for so-called “win-win situation”.
Of course, I hope for God’s mercy and extend of salvation to all people and all tribes and nations, and to those like Ehrman, or Loftus, and all sorts of ministers and academics who left Christianity, but this issue is a fire to play with.
So here are the three passages I thought helpful. (Of course they of little value to the rabbi in question as he seems to side with Ehrman on ‘diverse Christian’ writings of the first centuries of Christianity).
I am just saying, it is hard to get into “win-win situation” by setting aside Christ priesthood and sacrifice.
Basically, there is little ground left by Christ. Either His divinity is true or false. In standard understanding on Judaism (if I’m not mistaken) Christ is not divine. If He is not divine, one’s sins are covered by something else. How is this possible to have head knowledge of Christ and His teachings, and then set it aside and face God on final judgment? What will be the excuse for not accepting God’s sacrifice? Will one face God and say “here, I provided a better sacrifice for my sins!”. This is silly and even offensive.
But again, God is merciful and His ways are way better then ours, and as I said, He is the Rightful Judge, not me. I leave it to Him.
Thoroughly enjoyed this debate today. I would listen with great interest to any other future interactions between Moshe Otero and Dr. Brown.
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