I pray that the Lord will strengthen us up and guide us to help others.
I’ll have to wait to be able to hear this but will attempt to answer the question, “How do we combat Gay related bullying in the schools without normalizing Homosexuality?”
In short, by the way of the Lord. (see Gen 18:19)
I could go on, but it’s all about the role of the intercessor, about pleading the cause of the oppressed, doing justice and judgment, asking for mercy when mercy is due, hearing not evil for the sake of evil, but only hearing whatever is the cause of any present distress, going with one to plead his case before his “oppressors”, asking if a thing is right, explaining that delivering judges ask for mercy, are willing to hear all information pertaining to anyone’s case, are willing to do for one the same as for another without partiality or hypocrisy, want to be those who take hold of no man to soon, but at the same time are not willing to be partaker of another man’s sins, willing to share the gospel (even if it means not making mention of Jesus or the cross unless God leads them to do so), using a dictionary to speak of words such as mercy, kindness, meekness, patience, temperence, faith, justice, fairness, equity, etc..
Maybe a school principal needs to ask each grade of high school students to choose out from among themselves 7 students who are of a good report (like the 7 of Acts 6) who students may go to with any matter whenever they are oppressed by another and have gone to that one first, or have not gone to them because they have reason to think that either physical harm or property damage may happen. Any student may go to whomever they wish, but if they feel they have no one to go to who will hear their case, they may go to one of the 7. The 7 should be able to hear their case, find out what is right, verify as best they can that such things did indeed happen as best they can, go with them, plead for mercy, be impartial, be kind, patient, judge the act instead of the person, ask for mercy when it’s the right time to do so, etc.. But if there is real danger, or if the law has been broken they may want to go to a teacher or the school counselor. School counselor may have a box outside his door where names can be written on the same piece of paper, all called in, if they can not reconcile, they could be told they should take their case before all 7 at once who will hear all matters that are the cause of a present distress, overseen by the counselor, they will make their pleas (Please have mercy), etc..
Any association of assault or malice with a victim’s sexual identity seems stretching it as to it claiming an implied scope of responsibility for a perpetrator’s bullying: perpetrator to victim, victim to self, and/or social system for moral reference to or of the victim. For Christians asking how do we process a disapproving and condemning view of malicious acts of violence imposed on anyone (gay or otherwise) without focusing on feeding the victim’s own particular inner mental state of being becoming vulnerable to their own eventual self assignments of absolute guilt, blame, and punishment as a result of being bullied (regarding a victim’s personal, social, or moral associations and his or her resulting mental status leading to personal self negation, or suicide)? Believers speak of separating the sin from the sinner, for purposes of applying mercy, and lovingkindness to people—as objects deserving the love of God.
For those whose reference is scripture, as to applying an awareness of sin to the situation, we have to limit our considered societal definition to the Ten Commandments spirit in this case, as being the greater standard demanding an immediate response, over sexual identity and behavior demanding an immediate response. Why? This becomes important in upholding both justice and mercy, or truth and grace, as to applications of any relevance of addressing a root cause for bullying (a form of malice and assault) immediately demanding a just consequence. It seems stretched to assume that assignments of a discovery of a victim’s self concept and sexual behavior associations should become the cause of why someone may have bullied them. As Jesus said, murder, lust, etc. first happens in the heart. That heart assumes, then acts. Q & A format’s Answer: we don’t blame the victim, instead, we uphold laws and positions opposing murder (byllying) for the sake of social stability and order.
Where a society like the USA grants permission to get into sexual sin as a basis of self identification it becomes believers’ educational challenge and family life modeling challenge to uphold our counter-culture of a godly life, its connections and associations, with the greater challenge of the conversion of a soul to then do good. Discouraging murder through harsh penalties would be appropriate, as well as in the case of all bullying as an alike identified criminal action begging for law-welding deterrents and consequences. For a Q & A format’s Answer: we uphold laws and positions opposing bullying as being a form of assault. We focus on the classification and degree of criminal action involved, the ages of the perpetrators and victims, and discourage such bullying by a legal penalty and over-reaching education. As a remedy, we openly discuss through education the basis for society’s discouragement: through public policy statements of authority opposing such actions, and appeal to the godly conscience for change.
Bullying in particular is rampant throughout the USA, and may affect any target/victim’s self esteem. It acts as a form of reinforcement or conditioning for impressionable minds. Such activity may, over time, result in a negative self concept or hopeless outlook for the victim. This is especially so in the case of children and adolescents, where its powerful peer actions can take over the sense and sensibility of a victim’s understanding of their own locus of control (where one associates their center of functional being and resulting enablement of choices). This then can stimulate psychological complexes or fobias in the person being bullied, such as reaction formation, displacement, identity confusion, attachment confusion, suppressed and transferred feelings of anger, etc. (as can be turned inward or outward). These then can act as defense mechanisms for self and behavior’s absorption or absolution: capturing anyone’s focus of energies and mental preoccupations over time. Such foci thus may eventually take charge of their own normal personal social milieu and inner life processing challenges and choices during the lifespan phase they may be in while being bullied.
It would seem that associating criminal cause with the perpetrator’s own choice and action–rather than assignments of causality related to the inward state of this or that identity preference of the victim–is well covered by local criminal laws and resulting court actions. Here is a case where the dancer needs to be separated in view from the dance to process it through to godly forms of coordinated intention.
There is also a time where one shakes the dust off their feet and leave if one “does not receive you, nor heed your words”.
I can understand the pain of an alcoholic and recovery, but others might be affected by the influence of their continual falling down. The ELCA (Lutherans) years ago put in motion the openness/dialogue about sodomy-lifestyle in the church that today is now seen as just another lifestyle(even though the majority of congregants disagree). Was the error that they never saw homosexuality as the cause of the affliction? Dialogue with those who do not see their acts as a problem/sin I think is familiarising others to the temptation. An alcoholic that can go to a bar and not drink demonstrates great strength; But is it smart. There is a limit to understanding someones pain. There must be a point where one is or one isnt. And then we move on.
What defines bullying these days can be a problem. We should remember too that those who bully need consideration as well. I advocate shunning those who practice without restraint behaviour such as “homosexuality”. The same for committed adulterers. Some would consider that emotional bullying. Where do we draw the line. Hurt feelings are a fact of life for everyone. Can they be a guiding force to curb ones behaviour for the better? I think so.
Instead of a school priding itself in it’s diversity it should be thanking God for what it still has concerning moral standards.
It wouldn’t hurt if a principal said so on the opening day of school in my opinion.
Suppose on the opening day of school a principal said something like:
Good morning. My name is _______. I am the principal here at _______. I’ve heard that some people pride themselves in the diversity of this school. I am one that thanks God daily for what moral standards we still have. We have a number of openly gay teachers here. If any student would like to opt out of his or her class. I will do what I can to make that happen….
“If any student would like to opt out of his or her class[because of a homosexual teacher]”
That will never happen. Homosexuality supposedly is a mark of the enlightened. To opt out of sex ed or other such classes puts a mark on you. And then the acceptable Bullying begins.
Chris Hitchens revealed his youthful tip toe through homosexual experiences in a recent interview with Charlie Rose. And so many supposed intellectuals you hear the same. The argument seems to follow that if you havent tried it(alcohol, strange sex) somehow you dont understand. Yet if you have and you condemn it then you are just a hypocrite. At times when I review some of the things that are normalised these days, in particular abortion, I have to wall myself off. The TV, magazines, radio, its all pretty bad stuff that is reported. And man never seems to disappoint. What is left to bond a diseased society. I once heard a Rabbi state there is a ratio of G*d fearing men a society must have or G*ds wrath is brought down on that society. How few it must be.
Some seem to think of these kind of things as liberty and justice. I think of these things as crazy and I’m certainly not alone.
This is a good time for parents to take hold of their children and speak the things of the gospel into their ears as they look them in the eye. They can determine their future that way. So much of what a parent tells his child, will stay with him the rest of his life. So why not tell him he doesn’t have to go the way of the world, that he will see a lot of nonsense, useless vanity, things that have no lasting value, people lost, disoriented, confussed, but his hope is to be in God because of Jesus. Remembering the cross, he can walk as a beacon of light, remembering to pray he can be a strength to others in a time of trouble. God’s children have an eternal future of glory with the saviour Jesus Christ, an inheritance incorruptible, reserved in the heavenlies which is their destination.
Such encouragement will equip the children and who can do it better than their parents? They have the authority to do it.
It’s a good time for pastors to let the parents know about the things the children may be exposed to as the gay agenda seeks to move it’s way through society, and that he does intend to support the parents as the parents support the children, that he will go with them for making a case when a case should be made for the protection of the children. There are many things children should not be exposed to in school as well as many things they should not be seeing or hearing of.
A pastor could well remind a school principal of the importance of protecting children from the evils of a society that is bent against God, even as it resides among a society that still has some God fearing people.
If a principal needs support against anything that might prevent him from doing or saying what he believes to be the right thing, a pastor may let the principal know that he will support his cause as long as his cause is just and that together they should be able to sort things out.
A pastor can help rally a few other pastors together to support any good work of a school principal who is going in a good direction. A pastor can be there for a school principal and remind him that he has the church behind him, a church that may be made up of hundreds of local parents, and that the principal should not feel alone. He will also have the prayers of the church should he decide to walk out on any good plan to protect the school children.
When I was in grade school in a midwestern town, the pastors of the city were together, talked to the parents and the school boards and convinced them that they should let the 5th and 6th graders out for an hour or two one day a week for part of the school year for spiritual education at the local churches and every grade school in town did just that. That’s how much pull the pastors had when they were together on a thing.
Some children remained in school for that hour or so while the others either walked to church or car pooled with parents either from their church or from their friends at school. Some teachers let the students who did not go, go home early on those days.
That’s the way things used to be where I was from. The church wasn’t isolated from the community. They were salt and light in it.
The answer is to stop bullying, and not worry about normalizing homosexuality. Its sick that you hesitate to put an end to bullying because you are afraid of what others might think! These are children who can’t help who they are! If you delay any decisive action to meet the needs of victims, you are just as much of a bully as the people you are concerned about.
Good show Dr. Brown, it really makes you think..
I pray that the Lord will strengthen us up and guide us to help others.
I’ll have to wait to be able to hear this but will attempt to answer the question, “How do we combat Gay related bullying in the schools without normalizing Homosexuality?”
In short, by the way of the Lord. (see Gen 18:19)
I could go on, but it’s all about the role of the intercessor, about pleading the cause of the oppressed, doing justice and judgment, asking for mercy when mercy is due, hearing not evil for the sake of evil, but only hearing whatever is the cause of any present distress, going with one to plead his case before his “oppressors”, asking if a thing is right, explaining that delivering judges ask for mercy, are willing to hear all information pertaining to anyone’s case, are willing to do for one the same as for another without partiality or hypocrisy, want to be those who take hold of no man to soon, but at the same time are not willing to be partaker of another man’s sins, willing to share the gospel (even if it means not making mention of Jesus or the cross unless God leads them to do so), using a dictionary to speak of words such as mercy, kindness, meekness, patience, temperence, faith, justice, fairness, equity, etc..
Maybe a school principal needs to ask each grade of high school students to choose out from among themselves 7 students who are of a good report (like the 7 of Acts 6) who students may go to with any matter whenever they are oppressed by another and have gone to that one first, or have not gone to them because they have reason to think that either physical harm or property damage may happen. Any student may go to whomever they wish, but if they feel they have no one to go to who will hear their case, they may go to one of the 7. The 7 should be able to hear their case, find out what is right, verify as best they can that such things did indeed happen as best they can, go with them, plead for mercy, be impartial, be kind, patient, judge the act instead of the person, ask for mercy when it’s the right time to do so, etc.. But if there is real danger, or if the law has been broken they may want to go to a teacher or the school counselor. School counselor may have a box outside his door where names can be written on the same piece of paper, all called in, if they can not reconcile, they could be told they should take their case before all 7 at once who will hear all matters that are the cause of a present distress, overseen by the counselor, they will make their pleas (Please have mercy), etc..
Any association of assault or malice with a victim’s sexual identity seems stretching it as to it claiming an implied scope of responsibility for a perpetrator’s bullying: perpetrator to victim, victim to self, and/or social system for moral reference to or of the victim. For Christians asking how do we process a disapproving and condemning view of malicious acts of violence imposed on anyone (gay or otherwise) without focusing on feeding the victim’s own particular inner mental state of being becoming vulnerable to their own eventual self assignments of absolute guilt, blame, and punishment as a result of being bullied (regarding a victim’s personal, social, or moral associations and his or her resulting mental status leading to personal self negation, or suicide)? Believers speak of separating the sin from the sinner, for purposes of applying mercy, and lovingkindness to people—as objects deserving the love of God.
For those whose reference is scripture, as to applying an awareness of sin to the situation, we have to limit our considered societal definition to the Ten Commandments spirit in this case, as being the greater standard demanding an immediate response, over sexual identity and behavior demanding an immediate response. Why? This becomes important in upholding both justice and mercy, or truth and grace, as to applications of any relevance of addressing a root cause for bullying (a form of malice and assault) immediately demanding a just consequence. It seems stretched to assume that assignments of a discovery of a victim’s self concept and sexual behavior associations should become the cause of why someone may have bullied them. As Jesus said, murder, lust, etc. first happens in the heart. That heart assumes, then acts. Q & A format’s Answer: we don’t blame the victim, instead, we uphold laws and positions opposing murder (byllying) for the sake of social stability and order.
Where a society like the USA grants permission to get into sexual sin as a basis of self identification it becomes believers’ educational challenge and family life modeling challenge to uphold our counter-culture of a godly life, its connections and associations, with the greater challenge of the conversion of a soul to then do good. Discouraging murder through harsh penalties would be appropriate, as well as in the case of all bullying as an alike identified criminal action begging for law-welding deterrents and consequences. For a Q & A format’s Answer: we uphold laws and positions opposing bullying as being a form of assault. We focus on the classification and degree of criminal action involved, the ages of the perpetrators and victims, and discourage such bullying by a legal penalty and over-reaching education. As a remedy, we openly discuss through education the basis for society’s discouragement: through public policy statements of authority opposing such actions, and appeal to the godly conscience for change.
Bullying in particular is rampant throughout the USA, and may affect any target/victim’s self esteem. It acts as a form of reinforcement or conditioning for impressionable minds. Such activity may, over time, result in a negative self concept or hopeless outlook for the victim. This is especially so in the case of children and adolescents, where its powerful peer actions can take over the sense and sensibility of a victim’s understanding of their own locus of control (where one associates their center of functional being and resulting enablement of choices). This then can stimulate psychological complexes or fobias in the person being bullied, such as reaction formation, displacement, identity confusion, attachment confusion, suppressed and transferred feelings of anger, etc. (as can be turned inward or outward). These then can act as defense mechanisms for self and behavior’s absorption or absolution: capturing anyone’s focus of energies and mental preoccupations over time. Such foci thus may eventually take charge of their own normal personal social milieu and inner life processing challenges and choices during the lifespan phase they may be in while being bullied.
It would seem that associating criminal cause with the perpetrator’s own choice and action–rather than assignments of causality related to the inward state of this or that identity preference of the victim–is well covered by local criminal laws and resulting court actions. Here is a case where the dancer needs to be separated in view from the dance to process it through to godly forms of coordinated intention.
There is also a time where one shakes the dust off their feet and leave if one “does not receive you, nor heed your words”.
I can understand the pain of an alcoholic and recovery, but others might be affected by the influence of their continual falling down. The ELCA (Lutherans) years ago put in motion the openness/dialogue about sodomy-lifestyle in the church that today is now seen as just another lifestyle(even though the majority of congregants disagree). Was the error that they never saw homosexuality as the cause of the affliction? Dialogue with those who do not see their acts as a problem/sin I think is familiarising others to the temptation. An alcoholic that can go to a bar and not drink demonstrates great strength; But is it smart. There is a limit to understanding someones pain. There must be a point where one is or one isnt. And then we move on.
What defines bullying these days can be a problem. We should remember too that those who bully need consideration as well. I advocate shunning those who practice without restraint behaviour such as “homosexuality”. The same for committed adulterers. Some would consider that emotional bullying. Where do we draw the line. Hurt feelings are a fact of life for everyone. Can they be a guiding force to curb ones behaviour for the better? I think so.
Instead of a school priding itself in it’s diversity it should be thanking God for what it still has concerning moral standards.
It wouldn’t hurt if a principal said so on the opening day of school in my opinion.
Suppose on the opening day of school a principal said something like:
Good morning. My name is _______. I am the principal here at _______. I’ve heard that some people pride themselves in the diversity of this school. I am one that thanks God daily for what moral standards we still have. We have a number of openly gay teachers here. If any student would like to opt out of his or her class. I will do what I can to make that happen….
“If any student would like to opt out of his or her class[because of a homosexual teacher]”
That will never happen. Homosexuality supposedly is a mark of the enlightened. To opt out of sex ed or other such classes puts a mark on you. And then the acceptable Bullying begins.
Chris Hitchens revealed his youthful tip toe through homosexual experiences in a recent interview with Charlie Rose. And so many supposed intellectuals you hear the same. The argument seems to follow that if you havent tried it(alcohol, strange sex) somehow you dont understand. Yet if you have and you condemn it then you are just a hypocrite. At times when I review some of the things that are normalised these days, in particular abortion, I have to wall myself off. The TV, magazines, radio, its all pretty bad stuff that is reported. And man never seems to disappoint. What is left to bond a diseased society. I once heard a Rabbi state there is a ratio of G*d fearing men a society must have or G*ds wrath is brought down on that society. How few it must be.
Some seem to think of these kind of things as liberty and justice. I think of these things as crazy and I’m certainly not alone.
This is a good time for parents to take hold of their children and speak the things of the gospel into their ears as they look them in the eye. They can determine their future that way. So much of what a parent tells his child, will stay with him the rest of his life. So why not tell him he doesn’t have to go the way of the world, that he will see a lot of nonsense, useless vanity, things that have no lasting value, people lost, disoriented, confussed, but his hope is to be in God because of Jesus. Remembering the cross, he can walk as a beacon of light, remembering to pray he can be a strength to others in a time of trouble. God’s children have an eternal future of glory with the saviour Jesus Christ, an inheritance incorruptible, reserved in the heavenlies which is their destination.
Such encouragement will equip the children and who can do it better than their parents? They have the authority to do it.
It’s a good time for pastors to let the parents know about the things the children may be exposed to as the gay agenda seeks to move it’s way through society, and that he does intend to support the parents as the parents support the children, that he will go with them for making a case when a case should be made for the protection of the children. There are many things children should not be exposed to in school as well as many things they should not be seeing or hearing of.
A pastor could well remind a school principal of the importance of protecting children from the evils of a society that is bent against God, even as it resides among a society that still has some God fearing people.
If a principal needs support against anything that might prevent him from doing or saying what he believes to be the right thing, a pastor may let the principal know that he will support his cause as long as his cause is just and that together they should be able to sort things out.
A pastor can help rally a few other pastors together to support any good work of a school principal who is going in a good direction. A pastor can be there for a school principal and remind him that he has the church behind him, a church that may be made up of hundreds of local parents, and that the principal should not feel alone. He will also have the prayers of the church should he decide to walk out on any good plan to protect the school children.
When I was in grade school in a midwestern town, the pastors of the city were together, talked to the parents and the school boards and convinced them that they should let the 5th and 6th graders out for an hour or two one day a week for part of the school year for spiritual education at the local churches and every grade school in town did just that. That’s how much pull the pastors had when they were together on a thing.
Some children remained in school for that hour or so while the others either walked to church or car pooled with parents either from their church or from their friends at school. Some teachers let the students who did not go, go home early on those days.
That’s the way things used to be where I was from.
The church wasn’t isolated from the community. They were salt and light in it.
The answer is to stop bullying, and not worry about normalizing homosexuality. Its sick that you hesitate to put an end to bullying because you are afraid of what others might think! These are children who can’t help who they are! If you delay any decisive action to meet the needs of victims, you are just as much of a bully as the people you are concerned about.