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The caller Debra’s testimony made my heart smile.
We serve an AWESOME God. Thank you Lord for revealing your truth in Debra’s life.
I am so, so happy for you Debra. 🙂
I have a persuasion in my mind that I want to share with you in order to check its validity…
In the natural world and society, a Law only comes into existence AFTER it is foreseen that the offense CAN or COULD take place.
The “Law” that a person should not swindle another person when selling them a house came when a person swindled someone when selling them a house (or some other sort of dwelling that developed before houses).
All sensible and just Laws boil down to “love one another”.
Those who are born of the Spirit, who “don’t have it in them” to commit sins (it isn’t their nature) and are therefore not put under any Law, since it is by THINKING on sin (which has not entered into their minds, since their conscience has been cleansed) constantly, that a person sins (the Law is the power of sin).
Is there, then DETRIMENT to reading the Word of God, which is full of commandments?? Is it by “trying” to do these commandments (even new testament ones) that I am rendered incapable? Does looking at Scriptures (which give me tons and tons of Laws – such as, “go and tell the whole world, making disciples”) actually STIFLE my new nature from acting? Deceiving me AWAY from the Law of the Spirit of Life ALREADY AT WORK in me? If I am “trying” to do all these things the Bible tells me to do, but I am not APPRECIATING and INDULGING MYSELF IN fulfilling the (NEW) pure and holy DESIRES of the NEW NATURE through the Spirit, doesn’t that CUT ME OFF from the very ability TO accomplish the “commandments” which I am trying to fulfill – i.e.: rather than staying in contact with the Spirit – who, Himself, is the Author of the Scriptures (and the commandments, therein) AND the MIGHT and POWER (“not by might or power but by My Spirit”) to accomplish those very commands – I am cutting myself off from grace and power / suffocating myself by keeping my head in a book, rather than “in the Spirit”??
I’ve heard Dr. Brown say a lot of times that he is praying and reading the Scriptures – I just cannot imagine HOW that works, since, when you are in the Spirit, you would not look at any physical thing.
Thanks.
(am I “shooting myself in the foot?”)
According to I Peter 3: 18-20, Jesus preached to the spirits in prison at the time the ark was being built. This he did by the Spirit.
(for he was not yet come in the flesh.)
This then is another scripture that shows us that truly Christ was in the world as John 1:10 shows.
I suppose the reason that the spirits of these men who lived ungodly, are in prison, is that they are waiting the day of judgment of our God, and that their sins which they did in the days of their flesh, were not repented of when they had the opportunity for repentance.
When Jesus died on the cross, I believe he went into heaven, (into the holy of holies) though his body was taken down and put in the grave.
I believe the soul of Jesus went into heaven, being one, being joined to God and his Spirit, being one Spirit.
It seeems to me that the soul of Jesus is a life giving Spirit, that the life he lived still speaks, and that his soul is eternal, though it separated from his body on the cross at the time of his physical death.
I trust that he was in heaven during that time between his death on the cross and his bodily resurrection.
What a painful and horrible thing it is for a body to die, some dying in more lenghty and painful ways than others it seems, and for the soul life to leave it’s earthly place.
I’ve heard that a part of the soul has to die, and for the Christian, a part of the soul is eternal.
This is quite a mystery. I believe it’s all about Christ. A Christian is joined to the Lord in ways I’m sure we don’t yet fully comprehend. I don’t think we know the depths of it yet, but Jesus does. He lived it and took our depths of dispair and depravity upon himself at the cross.
As a payment that is an amount equal to what is to be purchased, didn’t he suffer the depths of hell on the cross, seeing how he was buying the salvation of the whole world, whosoever would be saved by him?
I can’t begin to comprehend how Jesus suffered and what he took upon himself there. What if all the spiritual darkness of this world was put upon him without restraint?
In a book I was reading about his sufferings, (the Unquenchable Flame, by Sandy Davis Kirk) this seems to explain what God was saying by Matt 27:45)
Daniel,
I just read your post above. This morning in church the pastor spoke of grace and how it’s like a young student who was too discouraged to do well at school because of the grades and so the teacher told the child she would give her an “A” anyway, but she wanted the child to do her best, and the child later did so well that he got her “A” grade.
That’s a way that he described grace. But in order for it to happen an exchange had to take place. He also talked about how the value of an exchange is equal to what is being purchased.
Daniel, are you connected well to a local church?
If we are not, we are like a lone sheep out to the wolves. Seeing that we are on this blog, we are connected with others, but I’m finding out that I need to be connected with a local church also.
Some of the things I heard this morning I am sharing today on this blog.
Ray–
“According to I Peter 3: 18-20, Jesus preached to the spirits in prison at the time the ark was being built. This he did by the Spirit.”
Uhm, I think you are not reading the translation of 1 Peter correctly. Another translation might make it clearer to you. Try this one:
ESV–
1Pe 3:17 For it is better to suffer for doing good, if that should be God’s will, than for doing evil.
1Pe 3:18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh but made alive in the spirit,
1Pe 3:19 in which he went and proclaimed to the spirits in prison,
1Pe 3:20 because they formerly did not obey, when God’s patience waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight persons, were brought safely through water.
1Pe 3:21 Baptism, which corresponds to this, now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a good conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,
1Pe 3:22 who has gone into heaven and is at the right hand of God, with angels, authorities, and powers having been subjected to him.
I don’t think we can say that He preached during the time that the ark was being built. You can compare it to this to maybe get a better idea.
Eph 4:8 Therefore it says, “When he ascended on high he led a host of [those who were held] captives, and he gave gifts to men.”
Eph 4:9 (In saying, “He ascended,” what does it mean but that he had also descended into the lower regions, the earth? [fn]
Eph 4:10 He who descended is the one who also ascended far above all the heavens, that he might fill all things.)
[fn] (4:9) Or the lower parts of the earth?
It seems to have somewhat in common with this verse in the OT:
ESV – Pro 30:4 –
Who has ascended to heaven or decended [from it]?
Who has gathered the wind in his fists? Who has wrapped up the waters in a garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son’s name? Surely you know!
Matthew Henry explains it like this:
“II. To advance Jesus Christ, and the Father in him (v. 4): Who ascended up into heaven, etc. 1. Some understand this of God and of his works, which are both incomparable and unsearchable. He challenges all mankind to give an account of the heavens above, of the winds, the waters, the earth: “Who can pretend to have ascended up to heaven, to take a view of the orbs above, and then to have descended, to give us a description of them? Who can pretend to have had the command of the winds, to have grasped them in his hand and managed them, as God does, or to have bound the waves of the sea with a swaddling band, as God has done? Who has established the ends of the earth, or can describe the strength of its foundations or the extent of its limits? Tell me what is the man’s name who can undertake to vie with God or to be of his cabinet-council, or, if he be dead, what is his name to whom he has bequeathed this great secret.’’ 2. Others refer it to Christ, to Ithiel and Ucal, the Son of God, for it is the Son’s name, as well as the Father’s, that is here enquired after, and a challenge given to any to vie with him. We must now exalt Christ as one revealed; they then magnified him as one concealed, as one they had heard something of but had very dark and defective ideas of. We have heard the fame of him with our ears, but cannot describe him (Job 28:22); certainly it is God that has gathered the wind in his fists and bound the waters as in a garment; but what is his name? It is, I am that I am (Ex. 3:14), a name to be adored, not to be understood. What is his Son’s name, by whom he does all these things? The Old-Testament saints expected the Messiah to be the Son of the Blessed, and he is here spoken of as a person distinct from the Father, but his name as yet secret. Note, The great Redeemer, in the glories of his providence and grace, can neither be paralleled nor found out to perfection. (1.) The glories of the kingdom of his grace are unsearchable and unparalleled; for who besides has ascended into heaven and descended? Who besides is perfectly acquainted with both worlds, and has himself a free correspondence with both, and is therefore fit to settle a correspondence between them, as Mediator, as Jacob’s ladder? He was in heaven in the Father’s bosom (Jn. 1:1, 18); thence he descended to take our nature upon him; and never was there such condescension. In that nature he again ascended (Eph. 4:9), to receive the promised glories of his exalted state; and who besides has done this? Rom. 10:6. (2.) The glories of the kingdom of his providence are likewise unsearchable and unparalleled. The same that reconciles heaven and earth was the Creator of both and governs and disposes of all. His government of the three lower elements of air, water, and earth, is here particularized. [1.] The motions of the air are of his directing. Satan pretends to be the prince of the power of the air, but even there Christ has all power; he rebuked the winds and they obeyed him. [2.] The bounds of the water are of his appointing: He binds the waters as in a garment; hitherto they shall come, and no further, Job 38:9–11. [3.] The foundations of the earth are of his establishing. He founded it at first; he upholds it still. If Christ had not interposed, the foundations of the earth would have sunk under the load of the curse upon the ground, for man’s sin. Who and what is the mighty He that does all this? We cannot find out God, nor the Son of God, unto perfection. Oh the depth of that knowledge!”
Your statement– “I trust that he was in heaven during that time between his death on the cross and his bodily resurrection.”, I’m not sure it is borne out by Scripture. I do see, though, where He commended His soul into the hands of His Father upon His death. There is this said to Mary at the graveside:
ESV – Jhn 20:17 –
Jesus said to her, “Do not cling to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father; but go to my brothers and say to them, ‘I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'”
Anybody? Are we way off topic, because I neglected to listen to this show first. Ooops.
It seems to me that it was Christ preaching through men like Noah and that he did this by the Spirit of God, the spirit of wisdom, and Christ was in that spirit, for it was the spirit of Christ that was in the world at that time.
It seems to me that men of old have had their conscience touched by God through his spirit, and that Jesus was in that spirit of God and was in the world by that method.
The 1599 Geneva Bible has notes on I Peter 3:19,20 which is in accord with the view that I present.
It seemed to me when I had found this, that the reformers of that day, who made the many study notes in the 1599 Geneva, did not hold to the view
that seems to be prevelant today, but did seem to say that “Christ indeed might do this, but what is that to us?”
When I think of Christ preaching to the spirits of unjust men after his death and / or resurrection, but not for an altar call for salvation but for some other purpose, it doesn’t seem to me to fit well with his character, for we do not read of Jesus appearing to the Pharisees, nor to Herod, but rather to his disciples, after his resurrection.
It does seem to me to be saying that there was a time when Christ preached, or taught, pleaded, or whatever, to men who were once disobedient at the time of Noah, and he did so in the spirit at the time the men lived on this earth, and now they are known as spirits in prison for they await the judgment of God.
They can not undo what they did. It’s too late to make amends to their ways as their life on earth is over. They can not change their life as it is now history. It’s all been written now, though there was a time when their sins could have been blotted out, or at least not been imputed unto them through justification by faith which was always available to them even before the time of Job who was given a message of justification by faith by Elihu. (Job 33:23-32 KJV, also Job 35:14.15) Elihu was moved by the spirit of God (spirit of Christ if you prefer) to build up Job’s trust in God, to bring him to a knowledge of his present sins and build him up to trust in God and turn from his ways, giving him the message of the good news of that day, which included 33:23-32 which I find of great importance as it is a message of grace.
Anyway that is my view.
I do not hold to the view that Christ peached unto the spirits in prison (context of I Peter 3) except it be during the time before the flood, though I have considered it as a possibility. I may still say that it’s a possibility but do not affirm that it is so.
I will maintain that Christ was in the world as according to John 1:10, and that it was by the Spirit for he had not yet come to be born of a woman in the flesh.
The history of the making of our current NT is very interesting. I didn’t know that the Geneva Bible had study notes, that’s pretty neat. I have the 1526 William Tyndale translation that doesn’t have any notes at all, just “olde” English. Consider that the average Joe/Josey has only had the Bible to read for about 400 years. Most of the citizens, no doubt, couldn’t even read then. We’ve come a long way since then. What they went through to see that we had it!
I was counting from 1611.
All,
I’ve actually met people who say that the Bible is the mark of the beast!! They are EMPHATIC about it, and say that God does not even “deal” with “Bible-worshippers” anymore: they’re totally lost.
I’m like “…what?…”
I challenged them to tell me ANY place whose economy was based on the Bible; one said, “I dare you to go up to the woman at the register in the grocery store, and tear up a Bible in front of them! SEE WHAT HAPPENS!” Ofcourse, I told him, “No; that’s ridiculous.” He said, “See? You’re afraid to do it!”
I’m like… WHAT!?
Revelation says there’s a blessing on reading it… and, Jesus quoted the Bible, so I guess He had “the mark of the beast”, too???
What in the world?
Anyone got any thoughts on this?
(They said that Constantine was the first beast, and King James was the second beast, or something like that.)
Wow, Daniel,
That sounds like a double dare, daring someone to tear up a Bible.
When my brothers and I were young, we used to do dares, but seldom would do a double dare, as double dares were usually just to get somebody to do something stupid and get into trouble.
I don’t know what the mark of the beast is, but if we have the name of God in our heart, it should come through our hands also, and that will be understood in heaven.
True Christians will do trade with one another, those who honor God and through his name build one another up. They will not be as barbarians one to another as they are saved by the same name, the one who came in the name of God the Father, the one who went about doing good and healing all the people, teaching the things of the kingdom of heaven, one Jesus by name.
All,
I want to know whether you think that EVERY SINGLE believer is a bride of Christ, or that THE ENTIRE BODY is the bride of Christ???
The entire body, believers past, present, and future, asleep or awake, of every tribe and tongue, is corporately the bride.
NOT a person as an individual.
So, I should not view myself as “married” to Jesus?
Re: the Bible as the mark of the beast, I think you are on the right track pointing out that Jesus referenced the Bible, Daniel.
For the people who say that, my question would be, “what do you mean by that”? That is, I would want them to defend their position in some way other than making juvenile challenges.
Daniel,
How do you mean that?
Spiritually unified…
Do you have an email? I email Ryan at times, but I don’t have yours…
WHAT is a believer’s (my) relation to Christ, please?
Can you do, like…
1. doejfewf
2. efrfihergipgr
3. weifehfie
…please?
Thanks
P.S. LOL
Ah, I see. Well, have you been baptized? If so, then yes, you are personally spiritually unified with Christ.
For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. (Gal 3:27)
Also pertinent:
For just as the body is one and has many members, and all the members of the body, though many, are one body, so it is with Christ. For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body— Jews or Greeks, slaves or free—and all were made to drink of one Spirit. (1 Cor 12:12-13)
Or, to sum it up:
Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it. (1 Cor 12:27)
So yes, in an individual sense you are spiritually unified with Christ. And in a corporate sense you are married to Him as a member of the body of His bride – the true invisible Church.
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As far as e-mail (if you were referring to me not someone else), I don’t like to put it out in the open on a message board – but you can reach me through the “Contact” tab on my blog: http://www.thechifiles.com.
Take care!
Tom
In baptism you are:
1. Clothed in Christ (Gal 3:27)
2. Dead to sin and alive to Christ (Rom 6:1-14)
3. A brother of Christ (Heb 2:17)
4. A member of the corporate body/bride of Christ (Eph 5:29-32)
Does that help?
So, in what way does the “corporate” body of Christ relate to Him?
As we know, the Darkness steals and twists many concepts from the Light… on the part of darkness, they have drunken orgies; what, on the part of the Body of Christ, is comparable to that? Is it people, full of the Holy Spirit, at “love feasts”??
But, in what way does the ‘Body’ of Christ (inasmuch as Eve was Adam’s ‘body’) relate to Christ?? If it is bride, then what is the sex act comparable to?
Daniel,
Basically it goes to the concept of headship: He have his life for his bride, we are to submit to him as the husband. Again, Ephesians 5 (also Colossians 1:18 and context, and Ephesians 1:22-23). Where the head goes, the body follows, and thus we are to follow Christ in submission and reverence.
Does that track and follow?
Well, to start, I think it’s a bit dangerous to take a thing of darkness and try to trace its “light” origins, in practice. Drunken orgies have no comparable “light” counterparts. But I think I see what you are getting at from your next point:
I’m not sure that the sex act has a direct analogy to anything between Christ and the Church – could be wrong, but I’ve the feeling that the sex act is for biological reproduction purposes and thus is not mirrored in the spiritual, divine relationship of Christ and the Church, strictly speaking. If pressed, you could look to John ch 3 for what is probably the best answer.
That is: human intercourse is for being physically born; baptism is being spiritually born.
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To get the more direct question of how we relate to Christ: it’s all about hearing the Word preached and receiving the Lord’s Supper, which is where God has promised to meet us for forgiveness and restoration. There’s a reason the Lord’s Supper has come to be called “Holy Communion” – because when we receive it we are communing with He who is Holy.
Finally, remember that we are living in a period of “now, but not yet”. Christ has redeemed us by his blood, but we are awaiting the resurrection even still. How we relate to Him now is not exactly as we will relate to Him in the life to come.
Tom,
Yeah, I suppose I’d better focus on the more clear-cut doctrines, rather than try to know many things that are not quite readily available to be understood.
Deuteronomy 29:29
Tom,
Oh Yeah!
Deuteronomy 29
29 The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.
Do not forget the 2nd part.
Shalom
Tom,
However, I don’t agree that baptism “gives birth” to believers. It is probably a technicality, but believers are “born again” when they (in co-operation with the Spirit of God’s Grace) believe in their heart, and then confess with their mouth; afterwards, the Spirit comes upon them, “since they are sons” (Gal 4:6)… probably, as well, the readiness to obey God plays a role in this, since the Spirit fell IMMEDIATELY upon the Gentiles Peter was speaking to…
(Yeah, Tom, that’s what I was reminded of)
Bo, they broke that covenant, so the “forever” part of that (broken) covenant doesn’t stand anymore – just as God WOULD HAVE made Saul’s throne great, BUT Saul did not comply. That idea is OVER.
No, God makes a NEW Covenant, now. Adam wasn’t born with a piece of paper with laws written on it; He had the Word spoken directly to Him – and we are redeemed.
#27 – Well said, Daniel.
Dan1el,
Please tell me when this first covenant was broken. Also, please tell me why you think that the New Covenant has a different law instead of the same law written on our hearts. And why can the first part of a verse be true and not the second, seeing they are part of the same thought?
Shalom
Tom,
Are you saying that the secret things belong to YHWH, but the things that He has revealed to us are no longer for us?
Shalom
Tom,
Forever is a long time. Maybe longer than from the time that verse was written till now. My Bible says that the word of YWHH won’t pass away until heaven and earth pass away.
Shalom
Bo,
When the Jews broke that covenant, and God designed to make a New Covenant “not like the old one”; wherefore, Paul says that we serve God “NOT in oldness of the letter, but IN NEWNESS OF THE SPIRIT.”
What does it mean to serve God? You must know what God wants in order to serve Him; therefore, He is saying, “you will find out what God wants (in order to serve Him FROM THE SPIRIT); not from the letters of the Law, like before, under the old covenant”.
If I want to serve someone, I obey their instructions; Jesus is the Word that proceeds out of God’s Mouth (wherefore, we are enjoined to “eat” Him – for “man does not live by bread alone, but by every Word that proceeds out of the Mouth of God”) – therefore, Paul said that He served God the Father THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. THROUGH REMAINING WITHIN CHRIST (REMAINING IN THE WORD), Paul/Saul was executing God’s Wishes – apart from the precise Works delineated in the Law.
Rabbi Yeshua will lead people into all the Truth – He will divulge to us the TRUE MEANING of those words in the Law (what God REALLY wants – and the INTENT unto which they were written; this is why 1 John says, “we have received an understanding”: an understanding of what God wants!). He will not break the Law, but uphold it – because God’s heart never changes – but it will be HIM telling us what to do VIA THE SPIRIT. It was by that same Spirit (of Grace and Truth – John 1:17) that we WERE saved, that we ARE BEING saved, and WILL BE saved (1 Pet 1:13); not through the doing of the (precise) works of the Law, though we bear out the HEART-INTENTION of the Law of God in our lives: does this make sense? We do what God wills IN EVERY SITUATION because we REMAIN IN HIS WORD, JESUS. We are freed from the Law, but NOT to break it; we are freed from the Law TO KNOW JESUS. Only when there is a complete break from the Law that incites man to sin (1 Cor 15:56 & Romans 8:2) by telling him to act and act and act (“do good” and “don’t do bad” – but whenever the flesh is “acting”, its sinful nature is being revealed, so Christ tells us to enter His REST, so that the qualities of the flesh will not bear forth) can a person know Christ.
We have the AUTHOR of the Torah living in our lives; so, if we want information, we go to Him. BEYOND that, we need to go to Him for LIFE – Him Whom the Torah announced would come!
He came; He did all the Torah said He would, and He is here and active in His ministry!
“Behold, the days are coming, declares the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt…
…my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the LORD. Jeremiah 31:31-32
Because keeping the law now means believing in Christ as our atoning lamb and reigning Lord. And to love our neighbor as ourselves.
And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us. 1 John 3:23
and
A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. John 13:34
That is to say: belief in Christ is fulfillment of the Law.
But now a righteousness from God, apart from law, has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify. Romans 3:21
No, I am saying that to “do all the words of the law” is accomplished in “doing” belief in Christ and obeying his new command: loving my neighbor. This is God’s revealed will.
Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. Romans 13:10
And has His word passed away? Surely not, for Christ Himself is that Word (John 1:1).
That verse, Deut 29:29, is pointing to Christ ultimately, not to the Mosaic Law.
Now, enough of this – we’re off the topic of this thread, and I’ve indulged you all I intend to at this point. There’s a reason I’ve steered away from that Law “keeping” board. If you want further dialogue (since no one here seems to be willing to get into it with you on this anymore) I suggest commenting on the information found on http://joyfullygrowingingrace.wordpress.com/. The moderator is very gracious and you will be welcomed.
A profitable way to view the TNK is as a seed (of sorts): a seed must PERISH in order to become the PLANT (another form, though never losing its INTENT, since its INTENT was always THAT IT BECOME A PLANT) for which it (the seed) ever came into being in the first place. I think this is what Paul meant when he said, “through the Law, I died to the Law.” The Law & Prophets (following instructions) ordained their own end, like a seed (following instructions) ordains ITS OWN end!
I asked when the covenant was broken, not for verses that say it was. Does broken mean violated by the people or cancelled by YHWH? Does broken mean that it no longer existed from the point of violation?
Shalom
Its right there, in Jeremiah 31!
“Behold, the days are coming,”
declares YHWH,
“when I will make a New Covenant
with the House of Israel, and the House of Judah
– *******not according to the Covenant that I made with their fathers*******
in the day that I took them by the hand
to bring them out of the Land of Egypt
(forasmuch as they broke MY Covenant, though I was their Husband) – ”
an affirmation of YHWH,
“But this is the Covenant that I will make with the House of Israel after those days,”
declares YHWH,
“I will put MY LAW (SPIRIT) in their inward parts,
and in their heart I will write it;
and I will be their GOD,
and they shall be MY people:
no longer shall each one teach
his neighbor and each his brother,
saying,
‘Know YHWH,’
for they shall all know ME,
from the least of them to the greatest,”
declares YHWH,
“because I will forgive their wickedness,
and their sin I will remember no more.”
They broke the Old Covenant, and God designs a New Covenant that is “NOT LIKE” the one given to their fathers, as when they were brought out of EGYPT” (at Mt. Sinai).
.In that Covenant, they received an OUTWARD Law.
.In the New Covenant, they are to receive an INWARD Law (“receive, with meekness, the INGRAFT WORD that is able to save your soul”; “the Spirit IS the Truth” “My Word is SPIRIT and LIFE” [reception of the Spirit is reception of the SOURCE OF ALL TRUTH and the NATURE OF ALL TRUTH, which causes men to naturally desire to do God’s will; men are “new creations in Christ”]).
Dan1el,
You still have not answered post 35.
Shalom
1. Who will do the writing?
God
2. Where?
In the heart.
3. Where is the writing we are to read?
In our hearts.
“that we would serve in the newness of the Spirit, not the oldness of the letter.”
(the heart is, basically, the spirit)
It says new covenant. Does it say new or different law or does it say that His law is written in a different place?
Shalom
I asked when the covenant was broken, not for verses that say it was. Does broken mean violated by the people or cancelled by YHWH? Does broken mean that it no longer existed from the point of violation?
“In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.” Heb 8:13
How much more clear do you want it?
“Now if the 1. MINISTRY OF DEATH, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the 2. MINISTRY OF THE SPIRIT have even more glory? 2 Cor 3:9
“For the 1. Law was given through Moses; 2. Grace and Truth came through Jesus Christ.” – J 1:17
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These all show that there are differences, and a stark contrast between TWO Covenants, and I would surmise that these TWO Covenants are the TWO mentioned in Jeremiah 31.
New covenant…yes. New law…no.
New way to SERVE GOD (not according to the oldness of the letters written on paper, but according to the newness of the Spirit writing the laws on hearts)… yes.
They BROKE the Old Covenant, and so God made a New Covenant. See?
The Law brings DEATH; it is the POWER of sin. It was by coming to the knowledge between good and bad that humanity FIRST fell – the Law was a super-example of eating from that tree!!
The transgression INCREASED when the Law was inserted (while we were yet waiting for Messiah)!!
Yes new covenant. No new law. 1st covenant has YHWH’s law on stone. 2nd has YHWH’s law on hearts. Same law different place.
What about post 35 and 40?
“In HIM was LIFE, and the LIFE was the LIGHT…”
LIGHT’s presence is PREDICATED on LIFE being present; but when men are in sins and trespasses, they are 1. in darkness (those in darkness saw a great light) and 2. DEAD
It was ONLY when the LIVING GOD’S SPIRIT OF LIFE came into a man that there was ever anyone truly righteous.
All had “fallen short”; but now there is a “high calling” (the bar is set high, at the same level of righteousness and holiness God walks at, which is talked about in Matthew “be perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect”) of God in Christ — THROUGH WALKING BY GRACE, WHICH IS GOD, HIMSELF ACTING; THEREFORE, GRACE WILL NEVER MAKE A MAN SIN (GOD CURSE THAT IDEA), SINCE GRACE IS GOD!!!
The law is not the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. Doing what is right in our own eyes is. Obedience is the way to the tree of life. Disobedience is the way of death.
Proverbs 14
12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
Revelation 22
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Dan1el,
Are you purposefully not answering my questions?
You’re trying to say that we can still sneak in a couple laws.
You’re IGNORING the Scripture that says we will NOT serve according to the letters of the Law. You want to do things under your own power; not God’s.
You are a sinful man, and you need Jesus to save you from your sinful flesh.
The desire of God is the same –
. “He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?” – Mic 6:8
. In order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. – Rom 8:4
– but it is fulfilled in a NEW WAY: NOT ACCORDING TO THE LETTERS ON THAT PAGE.
You cannot correctly discern what those letters mean, anyways; you need Rabbi Yeshua to lead you in a Life of walking in the Way of Truth.
Every scriptural example of a righteous man obeyed YHWH’s law. Every one did it by the spirits power. What spirit would lead man to disobey YHWH’s law. Surely not the spirit that is the author of YHWH’s law.