An Interview with Dr. Fazale Rana on the Origins of Life By lofradio Mar 8, 2011 / 20 Comments Tweet https://thelineoffire.org/shows/line_of_fire_03_08_11_hr1.mp3 [Download MP3] Reasons to Believe Website Dr. Rana’s book, “Creating Life in the Lab”
Another really interesting and important show,
Dr. Brown. You’re really knocking them out of the park lately!
Thanks, too, Dr. Rana for your significant contribution to Christian Apologetics.
I am very happy that this latest series of shows are talking about new age atheism;
my friend said that why would a good person be sent to hell; questions like is there free will in heaven; why does god heal some people but not others; how come god killed job’s children for his own little social experiment god is so petty and unfair, and then he always says “i don’t want to believe in such a god”.
but still, it is a theoretical possibility that life can occur at random over billions of years in the primordial soup, you can POSSIBLY get 400 genes or whatever preciselt together to create life. unlikely, yes, but possible. and it is this possibility that the evolutionists cling to.
“my friend said that why would a good person be sent to hell; questions like is there free will in heaven; why does god heal some people but not others; how come god killed job’s children for his own little social experiment god is so petty and unfair, and then he always says “i don’t want to believe in such a god”.” – Ben
A good person (a pupil/servant/disciple of Jesus/God) wouldn’t be sent to hell, but those who think good of themselves understand very little.
Souls that go to heaven have already been tried, and proven true, I guess. If a soul would not turn from God on earth, they surely wouldn’t turn from Him in heaven.
Circumstances vary as far as healings go, is my guess. No pain no gain, right?
If God can create a person then He can likewise kill him and resurrect him, whatever. Why does your friend think he understands the ultimate fate of those children – as if God worked evil?
Needy people are being clothed and fed by volunteers in God’s name…that can’t be said about just anything.
Your friend has a distorted view of God. He went out of his way to look at God in dirty glasses and says what he sees is ugly. Try giving God the benefit of the doubt next time. When people jump at every little seeming opportunity like this, you know there is an underlying agenda. Why do these people personally/individually hate God? They feel abandoned because they believe they are entitled to more? I don’t know. I know its not because they are concerned for Job’s children…
One of my favorite shows ever! I agree with Ben about the importance of the shows responding to the new atheists.
Father, I come before you now and I pray for favor. Lord, I pray Lord that you will reach out to the atheists. That you will give them a heart of repentance. Open their eyes to not only your creation but you as the Creator. There are people out there Lord who are so lost, so deceived. Father let them except your mercy, your grace, your love, your gift of Jesus. The gift of Salvation. Touch them Lord. Touch the core of their being. Erase the misconception that is printed in their minds. The lies. I thank you Lord that you hear and received my prayer. For it is not your will for no one to perish.. I pray Lord you will send your angels to protect this prayer as it reaches your throne of grace. I pray this all in Jesus name. YESSSS!!!
should be “accept” not except. But the Lord knows.
When I saw the title of this show I feared we might hear about “pre-Adamic soulless hominids” or something, but thankfully there was none of this. In fact I agreed with everything Dr Rana said, but nevertheless listeners to the LoF need to be aware that the ministry of RTB teaches some very controversial things that many would say contradict the Bible’s account of Creation. For those who want to find out more start here:
Glad you had “Fuz” on the Show Doctor Brown.
Just one question about the shows possible implications (In that you gave RTB a plug… Not that I see an issue there).
As a Hebrew scholar what do you think of RTB’s old earth interpretation of Genisis? I personally don’t care if God created it 4.5 billion years ago or 4 days ago, But does the Genesis text leave the door open for and Old Earth interpertation in your schoarly and expert opionion?
I’ve thought a lot about the age of the earth and the universe and this is what I came up with. Being that God inhabits eternity, and all things are summed up in Him, why couldn’t He have taken a little bit of this, say, that was billions of years old, and then grab a little bit of that, that was only millions of years old, or, younger, and then put them together and make something brand new?
That makes sense to me.
I can appreciate your overarching concept, here, Sheila, of God’s limitlessness. I share that idea in regard to DNA. As an artist, I can see that in the studio there are different materials. I’ll use whatever seems useful to me — I might take a bit of this type of clay (which I formerly used to make a certain vessel) or I may grind up a new batch from the old. In the same way, our human bodies can share chimpanzee DNA (clay) but that doesn’t mean we ‘evolved’ from them. Another thing I have noticed about God (from how I’ve observed His influence in my life) is that He is quite economical — that is, he is a genius at finding the good in what might seem worthless. So, in summary, what you propose seems quite possible to me.
Note to Admin: My friend Julie using my computer; I forgot to take her name off. This is actually from me, Ruth:
I can appreciate your overarching concept, here, Sheila, of God’s limitlessness. I share that idea in regard to DNA. As an artist, I can see that in the studio there are different materials. I’ll use whatever seems useful to me — I might take a bit of this type of clay (which I formerly used to make a certain vessel) or I may grind up a new batch from the old. In the same way, our human bodies can share chimpanzee DNA (clay) but that doesn’t mean we ‘evolved’ from them. Just a thought — not written in stone, but something which makes sense to me.
Another thing I have noticed about God (from how I’ve observed His influence in my life) is that He is quite economical — that is, he is a genius at finding the good in what might seem worthless. So, in summary, what you propose seems quite possible to me.
Good link. It amazes me how many believers, that are highly educated, embrace such false arguments. I wonder if they must, at least subconsciously, defend higher education in other fields so that they do not have to question their own teachers, experts and degrees.
1 Corinthians 1:26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
It takes faith to please YHWH, not confidence in our own fleshly educational achievements. It is very difficult to lay down the things that we have spent so much time and money upon. Where our treasure is, their will our hearts be also.
Of course, all us mildly educated believers need to lay down our pride of life and simply believe YHWH’s word also. Our ignorance is no badge of honor.
Working 6 days and resting on the Sabbath is a simple sign that we have not succumbed to the modern pied piper of supposed “scientific fact.” It is a sign that our faith rests in the creator that created everything in 6 days and rested the seventh. It is putting feet to our faith.
Real faithfulness is shown when we lay down our great ideas and submit ourselves to YHWH’s higher thoughts. Trying to smooth things out between YHWH’s word and man’s atheistic science has to have some kind of false spirit behind it. Casting down man’s imaginations and high things (even education), and bringing every idea into subjection to Messiah is of vast importance. For what we really believe, we act upon. Any false thing believed will produce a disobedient action on our part at some point.
2 Corinthians 10
5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;
6 And having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.
Do we have a readiness to eliminate all false ideas in ourselves? Or do we hang on to things simply because it would look bad if we thought or behaved differently than those in our family, church, culture, profession, or peer group? Can we simply believe what the scripture says and put it into practice, or do we smooth things out so that we do not have to “hate” fathers, mothers, houses, professions, and our own lives also?
May the Line of Fire continue to rock the boat vigorously.
As I stated earlier Bo, It doesn’t matter to me one way or the other. Yet from what I’ve learned an old earth interpretation is allowable with regards to the Hebrew Text, I don’t see this as a violation of faith, and I don’t see how it violates anything with regards to the sabbath. God is not limited to our concept of time. he is eternal A day to him is not the same as a day to us.
Interesting, Ruth; I studied Fine Arts at university too. And I took a ceramics class at Rose Hill Art Center-part of USC (South Carolina).
So, I can appreciate the metaphor.
There are a lot of things that the Hebrew or the Greek might allow. The issue is what was meant by what was said/written. How do you end up with a evening and morning being longer than one literal day? Kind of hard for plants to survive with 500 years (or 500 million) of night before the day comes around…don’t you think. So “yom” (day) may, in some instances, mean something other than a literal day. But do “erev” (evening) and “boqer” (morning) mean something other than what they say? Do these terms used together in this fashion mean anything different than the obvious?
YHWH blessed the seventh day and sanctified it. Dose that mean the actual seventh day, or is it millions of years that were sanctified and blessed? As you can see, the simple, literal, normal, and obvious interpretation is that it was literal days that were meant in Genesis. Here is the kicker:
8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
This is the reason for the Sabbath. Should we remember every seventh billion, million, or thousandth years to keep it holy, or is it a certain day at the end of a week? Can we work our servants for 6 thousand years before giving them a thousand off? Does day in verses 8,9 and 10 really mean something different than in verse 11?
So an old earth interpretation may be allowable as far as your concerned, but is it justifiable given the context? Is it making the Bible line up with man’s ideas instead of placing faith in what YHWH has straightforwardly declared. Did Y’shua uphold a literal 6 day creation? Did He uphold a literal worldwide flood? Did He uphold a literal seventh day Sabbath?
Does literal really mean literal? Does does mean does? What else should we question? What is our definition of definition? YHWH’s word does not need our defense as to what it does actually say.
I wouldn’t want to be the guy who says, “does YHWH’s word really say six days?” Of course if I was that guy, I would probably follow it up with, “you shall not surely die” or, “weeping and gnashing of teeth forever really only means an hour, day, or thousand years…depending on your science teachers understanding of what time means”.
The Word of God is written with such conciseness that it is very easy to overlook its intricate details.
In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Genesis 1:1,2
And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: Hebrews 1:10
To put it plainly, the foundation of our world was created in the beginning – the beginning of our universe, and that beginning was NOT 6000 years ago, but billions of years ago. The six days of creation happened about 6000 years ago. Remember that God moved upon the face of an already existing world that was completely covered with water!
It is very beautiful how the Word of God opens up and unfolds its profound truths just like the petals of a very beautiful flower!
In reference to your post #11, I think God actually did something similar to what you stated with the sun. Scientists have concluded that our sun is a third-generation. It has something to do with the element density. Meaning, in order for our sun to have the heavy element density that it has, its creation had to come about through the reuse of materials of not one, but two previous generations of suns!
“Meaning, in order for our sun to have the heavy element density that it has, its creation had to come about through the reuse of materials of not one, but two previous generations of suns!”
You should say, “if our sun was not created just the way it is” in your above statement. You, nor any scientist, has lived long enough to see the supposed process of suns going through generations. There is no eye witness testimony…except YHWH. His word states that He created it along with the moon and possibly the stars on day 4 of, the 6000 years ago, creation.
You, nor any scientist, saw Y’shua’s resurrection. They (the scientists) say that it cannot scientifically be true. YHWH’s word declares it to be true. Who should we believe? Scientists or YHWH?
Now, that the earth and the heavens were in existence in the beginning, that could be before 6000 years ago, but the sun is quite a different thing.
14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:
15 And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.
16 And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.
17 And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,
18 And to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness: and God saw that it was good.
19 And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.
As you wrote:
“The Word of God is written with such conciseness that it is very easy to overlook its intricate details…It is very beautiful how the Word of God opens up and unfolds its profound truths just like the petals of a very beautiful flower!”
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