I feel that the American media is somewhat a hypocrite in how they portrait the situation happening in Egypt. They portray it as being very grim. Hasn’t the US experienced many riots in the past as well? We got through those situations, and it made us be more considerate to ensure that justice belongs to everyone, not just a privilege group in our society. If injustice should rear its ugly head in our country again, uprisings will soon to follow right behind it. Again!
I truly don’t believe that those free liberated women taking part in those Egyptian protests are fighting to be oppressed by radical Muslim extremists. To really be able to live in that kind of oppressive society, one would need to be trained from birth, without education, which the Egyptians have not done. Those people are fighting for fair treatment. Is that such a bad thing?
I guess loyalty is not in vogue these days. Is it truly wise for the leaders of our country to turn their backs on an Egyptian leader who has supported them in so many ways? Would it not be much better to lend him advice in how to listen and reach his people in a much better way? I feel that the problems in Egypt are more due to the lack of good administration than someone trying to take advantage of their country.
Lastly but not least, right now the Egyptian economy is slowing down due to those unusual protests, and likewise, our economy is slowing down too, but due to our very unusual cold weather happening across the country! We seem to be facing the same economic situation as the Egyptians. The contrast being, Egyptians can at any time stop their fighting, and get back to work, whereas our situation is a bit more complicated.
Side Note: Remember the Pharaoh of the Bible? How his stubbornness not only caused his country to be destroyed, but caused the death of their first born. Are we making that same mistake?
Pamela,
I think the people Dr. Brown interviewed have the perspective of how it actually is for people in Egypt and the other lands mentioned. Islamic culture based politics, in practice, are very oppressive and authoritarian, akin to the belief system itself, so, generally the legacy of the Middle East is so disposed from the grass roots up. Submission and a related apathy permeates the consciousness. It is one thing to feel our feelings about events–for example as to how we wish it to be for women joining the protests from our vantage point here–and another altogether to be in a land where the spiritual climate and presence of principalities and forces unseen affect the crowds and governments of the mass population. Sadly, because of power based politics, fractions, religion, the legacy of the Caliphs and the like–without a change in general population core beliefs–some form of oppression will most likely continue.
This holds even if the structure of government changes, for the heart does not accompany such idealism as we can bring up from our arm chair viewpoints here with a mutual care The opportunities we take for granted, e.g. available food at good prices, education at all levels of possibility, freedom of travel, speech, and prosperous pursuit–very few experience in this region. Even so, it is as Dr. Brown’s guest stated, a woman can graduate from Harvard and return and not find an appropriate job under the veil.
Granted, a strong man may be needed to quell the anarchists and jihadists from waxing toward Nihlism–such as a Sadat or Mubarek. But, there are few noble souls allied with progressive plans within the ways of the area. To offer changes that help women, men, students, youth, old and young would require a radical change in the heart of the involved. Suspicion, superstition,petty hatred,and prejudice are the norm of such cultures of reference.
This does not mean that anyone wishes this status on the population there; simply look at the literacy rates and you will gain a wider picture of the mindset, fatalism, and how far it usually goes toward more beneficial plans than merely outting the authoritarian ruler. Vision takes heart, and noble intention takes a commisseration rarely seen in the region.
What is sad indeed is that there are few role models which the dissatisfied can look to for real change.
Jabez,
Thank you for your thoughtful response, but I am not a man therefore I do not have any male-bonding tendency. I like to deal with the facts. I don’t follow what a man says just because he is a man. I’m not, as you were implying in your comment, trying to be contrary to Dr. Brown’s guests. As I posted before, I am just stating my opinion of which nobody should be offended by. It’s just my view point. So let me address specifically the things you stated in your comment. Have you ever been to Egypt? If not, then your statements in your first paragraph seem to be somewhat unjustified. I speak from the view point of woman since I am a woman. In addition, just as you made sweeping derogatory comments about the Islamic faith. They, too, can make some very truthful sweeping derogatory claims about a Christian society. I enjoyed listening to Dr. Brown’s interview with his guests. What I addressed were unfound fear tactics that people like express through the media. I see a lot of mind-games being played through the media, and I hope you can see them too.
As for your second paragraph, again, are we not free in this country to express an opinion. And again, please don’t get offended by my opinion because I am a woman. I like to examine things and think them through. All those ills you mentioned for Egypt exists right here in the good old US of A. Hungry exist here. The high price of gas has caused many unable to travel far from their homes. Any kind of adverse weather can affect our food prices. Our kids may go to school, but are they learning? Right now, the US ranks 22th in the middle and high school educational efficiency as comparison to other countries. The fact is, not all countries that follow the Islamic faith treat their woman with distain as Egypt does not.
In your fourth paragraph, I believe that you are accusing the Muslims of possessing the same views that you just expressed towards them in your first paragraph. I don’t care for those sweeping derogatory views. They are hateful, and hate leads to death!
For your last two paragraphs, again, they contain sweeping derogatory statements. You have completely over looked the fact that Egypt is a country full of cultural artifacts that are very precious to the entire world, and they didn’t get that way by being stupid ignorant people!
One major complaint that I have is with the USA news media. With the advent of the internet anyone and everyone can access their news coverage. I believe they are that hidden catalyst that promotes unrest in the world. They go everywhere reporting back with their very derogatory news coverage. Officially, there may not be a cast system here in this country, but there’s definitely one in the American mindset. The US news media have made poverty an indication of an inferior culture filled with inferior human beings. You don’t think that the rest of the world can hears and see that? They act like poverty does not exist here in the United State, but it does! They seem cater to those who like to live in deception by deceiving them they are superior because they have to obtain mostly everything they own through the power of the dollar. They say things like, “They live on only $2 a day! They are so very very poor! Poverty is everywhere!” They completely over look the fact that those same so-called poor people have land, homes, and cattle. They have a culture of trading in goods not money that can be easily counterfeit!
You should try viewing the Christian culture from the Islamic view point, and you will see what they see. Immorality runs rampant in our society! We deal with horrific immoral issues of which they will never have to encounter in their country.
So who’s truly superior? We all have problems, and I have just stated my opinion!
PS. Jabez, I have seen your name in red the way Dr. Brown’s name shows up when he posts. It’s obvious you have a inside connection for this website. Do you work for him or something?
Pamela,
You seem to be stating that I may have assumed a male bonding tendency in offering my own remarks and assertions made of my ”thoughful response”. Otherwise it remains unclear why you remarked on male bonding. Or, at the least, that I may also uphold a personal condescension on Egyptian society, due to “derogatory” remarks I supposedly made, as is stated as being the case as to your cited comments of US news reports on poverty in Egypt, as you had noted these to be. This was also because I have stated some difficult attributes of Islamic Middle Eastern culture, as factual and applicable to Egypt, as such. You have also made the astute observation that poverty is not simply measured by monetary income, and that other values can sustain a so-called poorer society, which may be more sustainable than monetary values. You implied that western media errs in discussing Egyptian culture as poor, when local values may not be measurable in western cultural terms.
My comments on the three radio commentators definitely being savvy ones reinforced their own thoughts as were stated as were formed by their area visitations, one being an Israeli resident, the other two being long studied researchers and visitors of the area (and of a particular people group of the area as well). Considerable research, readings, historical and belief system considerations, comparative values, and alike deliberations formed as to their own long developed interpretation of the heart and ways of Islamic affinities, were given as to their own partial analysis on the show, as such. That these commentators were also men had little to do with my reinforcements of their statements; considerable contact and reading with cited and remarked area culture did.
FYI, I did not view you as being primarily contrary to the guests, but as coming from a kind of armchair perspective indeed of transferable western women’s rights advocacies as being ideologically commiserate kinds of identifications and associations made with the women protestors seen on the TV from Egypt—or so what you stated seemed. It seemed that such a perspective did not take other cultural realities into its accounting of media anomalies. “The facts” as media may present them also may be bound up in regional history, religion, and culture per se, rather than simply what one media presenter may have identified with in their own heart so to speak; so, we seem to find one another as lacking in one way or another. Facts may be colored as you mentioned by whatever the media slant may be on all women, its own women, local women, or men, by limited cultural perspectives, or so by the protestors themselves as have been represented by the caveat of media presenters editorializing while also reporting. It only seems natural that from the outside looking in cultural values comparisons will be made.
Yes, I agree, the USA may have had alike past protests, some past social inequities, mass movement actions, and justifications for such in its own history. No, what the three radio show commentators talk about is not simply from a cultural comparison, subject by objective subject point of view, male bias perspective, or psychosocial bias. What was being remarked by these people and me is about truth and freedom of choice in its context, and that not simply being relative truth as such, and such as to who the commentators were in background when so commenting.
Yes, I have lived in the Middle East, in Israel. And so as a Messianic believer in Yeshua as the Jewish Messiah, and appointed savior of the world (for those who call upon Him, Aka Jesus Christ, for He lives). As such my own perspective does not readily associate comparative religion as coequal with a primarily culturally derived perspective, so related objectification, or social psychology, as such. What this radio program questions and remarks about is vital to wide world futures as well as Egyptian futures because of who Jesus is.
A “Christian perspective” as you call it is strongly allied not only with its culture or religious identification, but with an internal presence of Christ’s Spirit in one by the gift of Promise given by the living Christ, as a risen living person representing the certainty of the living God to humanity. This bonding then, not male bonding, was in fact known of the three radio commentators, and so of my person, though we have never met personally. As an observer, scholar, and researcher, and present follower of Middle Eastern current events—which may link up with Biblical Prophecy—I have in the past also had such identification with women who profess Jesus Christ as a living person.
So what you have called derogatory was about the factual history and implications over time of Islam, the religion of the sword. Its founder decapitated groups of people personally; Jesus was not so disposed.
There wasn’t a dull moment with Dr. Seif! I was so engaged throughout this program and recommended it to others right away. Please bring him back on in the future.
Pamela,
Poster’s names appear in red when they are linked to a web site. You can click on them and go to these linked sites. It is a matter of convenience to be able to find out more about those posting. There is no affiliation of Dr. Brown with Jabez as far as I know.
Shalom
Jabez,
Apart from the fact that you placed my name above your comment, I don’t like to read the things you like to write about. I don’t care for the way you go about gnashing (Psalm 37:12) on what others write. For the most part, when I see your name, I don’t read your postings. I skip over them. I don’t know why you consider this comment posting form a social networking site for your argumentative style. You sucker me into an argument with you when I first started to post on this site, but never again. That was a total waste of my time! I continue to state my opinions on Dr. Brown’s show that are interesting to me. They are my opinions and that is it! I refuse to nick-pick with you over words because you seem to love playing around with words than actually expressing a thoughtful idea. Try offering something new, insightful and original without it being sparked by another person’s comments.
As for a claim of being a Jewish believer in Christ, it really means nothing if the fruit is bad! True, all Israel will be saved. (Romans 11:26) But most Bible scholars believe that verse only applies to those who are living at the Second Coming of Christ. Question is which of us will be alive at that time, if any?
This verse states it best…
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 8:11-12
PS. I just skimmed over your last comment with my name as the heading. I’m really not interested in your writings, and there is nothing in the Bible that says I have to pay attention to someone that I don’t care to paid attention to. If you find something in the Bible to that effect then I will start paying attention to your comments. Otherwise…
Later ~ Peace Out!
Thank You ~ Big Tex!
And the people said………..AMEN!!!
Pamela, It is always good to know how another person feels due to their own clarifications. We certainly do not want to get into any substantive matters where feelings are the most understood reality.
Debbie, I am not sure where your comment is directed. The Lord comments in later Mt. 18 on how to pursue issues, otherwise blessings. –Jabez
PS How is it going with those on the streets in Egypt now?
Jebez, I did not know that you are Jewish. I am fascinated by how the Lord opens up some Jewish peoples eyes to know the Messiah. I believe you are truly blessed.
Also, I said AMEN because
I can relate to where Pamela is coming from.
Been there.
On my knees, by inquiry, in 1971 the Jesus of Matthew and John directly revealed he was the Messiah.
So Pamela and Debra,
If negative ot positive feelings are what we go by as our guide, in doing unto others as we would have them do to us, what obligation have we to the Law of Christ? Pamela, feelings were present as motivators of the choices made to eat the forbidden fruit (“it was felt that it was good for food, and pleasing to the eyes, and desireable for gaining wisdom [as so persuaded and believed], she took some and ate it”). Being threatened or angry with a professing believer simply because other information than what you represented as “the facts” was offered, or feedback is given over what you wrote, is to murder in one’s heart according to the Lord.
What is really threatened by admonishment of other perspectives, enlargement of more facts than felt facts of what was believed in viewing protestors in Egypt before it became violent, and as to an assessment you offered on Mubarek? Part of being “Jewish” Debra may be John the Baptist’s own tendencies of direct communication and direct challenge to what is felt being one’s guide.
Also, a quote is offered as implied judgment of my person in comment #8. The word “children” in that passage actually is rendered “subjects” in many translations, where, the thought is given by the Lord quite differently than the quotation shared permitted in Pamela’s response to my communication addressing her thoughts. Words are vital to communication, and clarification of meaning, whether others examining them differently than one assumes is permitted to in direct dialogue or not. The passage cited is used out of context has a meaning about those who do not heed the Jesus identity and teaching, as such. The passage cited is about those who do not seek, hear, and heed the words of Jesus before that Day. He marveled that the Gentile Centurion so trusted his ability to heal as the sent One, when Israel denied His appointment.
Stating or implying that I am not listening to Jesus in attempting dialogue on the “forum” is not borne out by the facts of my involvement over the duration of particpations in discussions on the line of fire forums here–as has been established over time. I recall a long and long endured interchange with a Yeshiva student on such a forum, where many words were interchanged as to whether or not Mary was a virgin, or needed to be, as Jesus’ mother: which he claimed she was not and could not be. Word meanings were examined in depth, with that Yeshiva student negatively labeling all of us who remarked on the related Biblical word meanings throughout the OT and NT useages.
In our considered responses, no thought was ever entertained that those of us who were defending the assertion that Mary was indeed a virgin (and was so identified by the total references to her in prophecy and the NT) should go by our feelings of frustration toward the Jewish student who dispised Jesus as Messiah and belittled our responses. Our charge was always to bear up under his assignments, assessments, ascriptions of intention, and put downs of those of faith in Jesus Christ as the Christ. This stance on how to relate to him then is given in response to how you might relate to my person here, Pamela.
I am not naive in commenting here on what I offered as to your comments on protesting women in the streets of Cairo, I have studied Islam,and directly observed its affects on people under its sway. It is simply not about “cultural understanding”, for, It is of the same deceiver in its origins who deceived Eve in the Garden. Satan, like Muhammed, was a murderer and deceiver from the beginning. It is sad to see lives of masses of people under the oppression of its belief system, including those in Cairo.
It is not that I personally wish women, children, or men to not gain equal opportunity in Egypt, it is that its founder’s assertions and history encorporates deceit, unlike Jesus Christ. I cannot then directly compare Christ affect on Christian culture with Muhammed affect on Islamic culture without noting the differences in fruit and grace and truth from these religions’ originators. I have a burden for those so oppressed to become completely free indeed, which can only occur with a conversion of the soul, and the coming of the Promised Spirit to new believers in Jesus.
Pamela, Debra (& Jabez) – Normally I wouldn’t make such comments because I feel that they do not add any value to the topic being discussed, but this will be the very first and very last time where i do say something on this issue, because it seems to have been brewing for a while on these forums.
My reply might be valuable, since you are hearing this from an independent source.
As much as I appreciate your desire to flesh out these issues, I feel as if you have floated away from the topic at hand. Instead of debating the issues, you are engaged in a back and forth of finger pointing.
I am no longer religious per se. I consider myself spiritual, however and I find peace in my agnosticism. I find myself drawn to this website for its interesting perspectives, but it is as though some of the comments are going way out of line – resorting to personal “flame wars”. Dare I point the finger?
This type of bickering between believers, this cavalier and inappropriate use of holy scripture -(Psalm 32:12 “The wicked plot against the righteous and gnash their teeth at them”) not to debate some theological point, but to run someone through with your sword is totally inappropriate.
This theme is continued: when there is a suggestion that some will get into the party and others (a crass insinuation) will not. And you are proud to offer condolences of peace after such an acrimonious diatribe? Is this to your credit? Believers, don’t you think this is to your shame? As is it is written: the atheists are blaspheming and mocking God and his bride on account of your immaturity.
I used to be a part of a small group, but I found the bickering between certain individuals too much to bear. So I moved. Now it seems to be happening here in these comments. And I’m not even part of the church anymore.
If you don’t want to read Jabez comments. Fine. Don’t read them.
But this sort of immaturity: mainly Pamela and Deb, is not constructive in the least.
I am hoping you will be woken from your reverie by this comment. As I promised: the first, and last time I will ever speak on this. I now consider the matter closed.
Yay for the Coptic Christians!
To Friendly, I have no clue what you are talking about. All I see happening from you is just an attack from Satan.
I will not be sorry for my truth and honesty.
Jesus was not afraid to speak the truth. Why should I?
Just listened to the show DR Brown talked about yesterday about getting attack by the devil.
Too funny.
I love you Lord!!! 🙂
Pamela, Quick note of Encouragement. Please do not stop from posting on this site. Do not allow people who attack you stop you from giving your opinions here. It is not right. Do not allow the devil to stop you from fellowshipping. Do not let him win.
Debbie,
I really appreciate that positive word from you. I had stopped reading Jabez’s comments long ago, but I didn’t say that to discourage him from posting here nor to insult him. I just feel that his motivation for posting here is different than mine. Even the Bible says that two cannot walk together unless they are in agreeance. (Amos 3:3) I just want Jabez to realize that God made people different and that’s ok, and to not get angry when I don’t respond to his comments directed toward me because my motivation and my attention is really somewhere else. Some people obtain information and knowledge through debate and that’s ok, except on this form, I don’t want to engage in such time consuming mental activity, however, I do appreciate Dr. Brown for giving us the opportunity to fully express our opinions.
It might be that with God first making male, then female, in His image, and that image (having fallen) being restored spiritually from the results of the Fall (and from human beiefs and actions yielding to the temptation of sin) in Jesus work of His Cross, that feeling threatened by challenging approaches to forum statements that do not always agree is unnecessary. The forum exists not to tune out other thoughtful expressions, but to address their perspectives with other possibilities, in Christ.
I and “Friendly” have stated something about Pamela’s defamation statements associating my person and my participation with those who rejected Jesus at the time of his visitation–over which he pronounced great disappointment (and not so in the passage over the faith of the Centurion in the statement Pamela used to condemn’s context). Lively discussion and interchange is stimulated by the very format and topics raised by this topical current events framed radio program.
Simply because someone brings in other thoughts to someone’s stated opinion (Pamela’s, or Debbie’s in this case) does not equate with that person being “of Satan”. If anything finding the opponents of Jesus constantly stating he was “of Satan” because his Way differed from their own kept them from indeed looking at their own hearts when he did not readily agree to their approach to God and the established resulting yoke given his Nation. Jesus was not a fitting denominationalist or party line promoter of the existing order, as He often demonstated and so spoke in lively engagement of those “sent from the Priests, scribes, Pharisees, or Temple order [assembled quote taken with liberty]”.
God did not clone robots, he made distinct personalities, with distinct character, and differeing viewpoints. And he gathered a diverse group of disciples, from which he chose the Apostles. Through the Apostles many examinations written in the NT of the issues of life, religion, and fellowship we have the model of our freedom in Christ to reason together, and not yield to the tyranny of what anyone singly “feels”.
I stand by what I have written in response to Pamela’s original postings, and now, indeed have brought up too, by what constituted defamation of character in her last response to me personally. Noone chooses for anyone what they buy at the magazine stand. And this forum represents that stand in a real sense. Nor should anyone lambast another for choosing a computer magazine over say, Vogue magazine.
Even so, finding what is written in the Word, and as to truth formed of critical think it through argumentation on the issues mentioned of the Apostles is not evil simply because it may not be of our own preferences or feelings.
I have been indeed labeled as “friendly”, and coincidentally I described, and that may challenge those who do not like my approach to critical thinking to in the very least consider their own approach to honoring their feelings singly as the only possible outlook of potential for the forum as hence becoming a basis of contempt for what is indeed derogatory and inapproprate as to the guidelines of conduct we are requested to follow here.
Being threatened by ideas or thoughts that do not simply agree with one’s own–if upheld as the only viewpoint possible by attacking the messenger of messages not enjoyed–reverts to the season of interchange which brought forth a great flood covering mankind for good reason.
The guidelines posted on not attacking people, but dealing with ideas and perspectives of people, seem to have been respected in this forum up to the point of assignment of my person and now whoever “Friendly” might be as being the spawn of Satan. And this is a dangerous position of soul, if my words were derived of the mind of Christ applied to the current topic and posters on it here.
Discernment in the NT by its interpretation of thoughtful interchange of ideas and viewpoints on topics posted here is not excluded by the moderation guidelines of this forum. I TRUST THAT THE MODERATOR WILL INTERVENE AND CALL A SPADE A SPADE AND NOT AN AGRICULTURAL IMPLEMENT where personal attacks are permitted in the place of the forum’s intention. I have not crossed that boundary here, others have, and have labeled evil those who have brought in other viewpoints than their own. To honor this would be to honor tyranny in its present form of censure.
I will not say that Pamela, or Debbie are the spawn of Satan in having offered past viewpoints–for I would defend anyone’s opportunity for free speech; I will say that they are not like the Bereans in examining what is placed before them when presenting in their everyday paths.
Jabez H.,
If you want to take it to the next level, I think you must address Dr. Brown directly in a post on this thread. Appealing to the moderator has done nothing in the past, if my memory serves me correctly. Please remember that Y’Shua addressed Peter with, “Get thee behind me Satan.” Pretty strong words. You are correct that the religious leaders did miss out by simply judging their Messiah as working by Beelzebub, instead of judging righteous judgment. You might want to leave the judgment to YHWH as to the statements against your person, instead of appealing to Caesar (Please read as a figure of speech), in this regard.
Shabbat Shalom
I don’t mean to be an alarmist, but, as soon as I clicked on “An Israeli Perspective on Egypt”, I got an immediate response from Norton that a “high severity” threat of “malicious Java activity” had been instigated on my home pc and blocked. This is very troublesome and I can’t find a way to notify the website you directed us to for that article. Can someone help, please, if you can notify them! The source of the computer attack was this address which I’ll include in brackets so you can’t accidentally click on it. [gavilune.cz.cc 76.76.117.100, 80] with the following source address:
76.76.117.100
I can provide the full URL if you need me to.
Jabez, Just for the record I never once said you were being used by Satan. In both of my posts today I was not talking about you once. I was addressing “friendly” and posting to Pamela referring about “friendly”‘s post.
The position friendly took on Pamela’s reponse to me reiterated what I already stated, save his personal choice outlined on becoming an agnostic. Read, read, read. COmpute, compute, compute. Get it, get it, get it.
So, Debbie, how does my post preceeding his not employ the same observations he made. And so, all the hostility sent my way was for most of the same reasons his argumentation has been so labeled. What seems to be being trusted here is about feelings rather than objective understanding of issues, perspectives, and postions. The moment anyone departed from postitions to favor feelings the Way was lost.
I think you are trouble. Please do not respond to me any more.
What you did with Pamela you did to me before. Just leave us alone please.
My focus will continue to be on the Way and Word of Jesus Christ, with the promise in view that if we continue in the word the truth will set us free indeed. As to encounters or admomition of anyone anytime I will follow the teachings of Jesus Christ in later MT. 18, where, “if your brother offends you, go to him, tell him between you and him, and, if he hears you, you have won your brother”. Where not so, the blessing of prayer will be extended from my prayer closet. Jesus is the Way, truth, and life. His head is not buried in sand.
Jebez, I have no ill feelings towards you at all. I seriously did not mean to say you are trouble. I meant to say I want no trouble. I did not correct my post.
I give you credit for something. I give myself credit for something too. I give credit to all those Christians who do not give up on Jesus just because we go through rocky moments sometimes with our brother or sister in Christ.
As for folks like “Friendly”. Keep on putting down those who are in Christ. Go ahead. Call me every name in the book. Have a party. Just a warning to you. Every time you attack us, you are attacking Jesus too. Keep that in mind.
I guess that is the risk one takes when they post on sites like this. People will judge you.
Whatever, I like myself. I love myself in Christ more.
typo…should be.
I guess that is the risk one takes when “you” post on sites like this. People will judge you.
These are troubling times.This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim.� This is not heresy.
Joys of Muslim Women by Nonie Darwish � In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child, consummating the marriage by 9.� The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy. � � Even though a woman is abused, she cannot obtain a divorce. To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses. Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry.� The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family. Husbands can beat their wives ‘at will’ and the man�does not have to say why he has beaten her. � The husband is permitted to have 4 wives and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion. � The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman. � In the Western World ( America ) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife cannot obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her.� It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American Universities are now marrying Muslim men and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.
Ripping the West in Two Author and lecturer�Nonie Darwish�says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two. � She recently authored the book,�”Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law”. � Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza �before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old. Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel .� He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza . � When he died, he was considered a “shahid,” a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society. � But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing.� She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television. � In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping sharia law – what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries. � For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed. Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual.� Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world. � Peace and prosperity for one’s children is not as important as assuring that Islamic law rules everywhere in the Middle East and eventually in the world.
While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Sharia teaches two systems of ethics – one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims. Building on tribal practices of the seventh century, Sharia encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others. � While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God, Sharia advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted as criticism. � It’s hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim should be executed. Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the Middle East are silenced through intimidation. � While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time, Darwish explains how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her native Egypt and elsewhere. � In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President by themselves! Rest assured they will do so… You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the USA .. Dearborn Mi ch. is one… and there are others… � It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful. Some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam.. the peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion. While America is getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of children, the Muslims are planning a great jihad on America ..
With Sincere Love for all my Brothers and Sisters,
I urge all of you to thoughtfully weigh you responses to comments posted before you answer any. I’m not saying we don’t want to correct gross doctrinal errors that are to the ruin of our brethren, but, when the things being discussed become only of personality differences and intellectual strivings, we need to proceed with sincere love and respect for each other. You may want to try this, which is a formula that has helped me. I’m trying to save each of you from the humility that will overtake you when you speak rashly and too quickly. And I speak from experience. It’s not worth it.
Take a blank word pad document and copy and paste the entry that stirred you to a response, whether in a good way or a negative way, and then type out your reply to it. Give yourself time in reading and re-reading both before posting. If your response is one which will build up your brothers and sisters, then we want to hear it. If it is to tear down and hurt, don’t post it. We need to judge our own selves and our own words knowing that the Lord sees our heart. We are not our own if it be we are sincere in serving the Lord and each other. We are not honoring the Lord with our idle words, of which we will all give an account of when we stand before our Judge. So, take heed how you answer each other and with how you use, or, misuse Sacred Scripture. Let all things be said and done with the goal of building up and keeping each other with love and kindness for all our brethren.
If our sharing of our thoughts is not for building up, let’s not post them. I want to be enriched when I come here to interact with my fellows. I want to read what others have to say about the topics presented for discussion here. I want to interact in a positive, uplifting way that is condusive to honoring each other in mutual respect and concern. I like people and the fact that they don’t think like I do and so I look forward to hearing from them concerning the various and interesting subjects that Dr. Brown brings to light. We are all to represent our Lord in all we do and in various situations. If there are those who are weaker than ourselves, then pray for them and keep in mind that the Lord desire is for all of us to keep peace with each other. Take it to the Lord in prayer and then consider your answer.
Amen?
After reading the link about the Israeli thoughts on Egypt, (and I got no alert this time from Norton–must have been a coincidence) I think we should send some pilots over to fly the fighter jets we gave them on to Israel and leave them there!
If the news corporations in America would think about actually presenting us with the truth of the situations in the Middle East on a regular basis, rather than having reality come to us in a wave of popular uprisings, we could better discern the implication and agenda of these “supposed moderates” who will most likely step forward in hopes of dominating the political machine there. No, our news programs focus is on “the more outrageous, the better”, “what is Sarah saying today”, “who tweeted what”, and all of the other worthless nonsense that they feed us. I’m so disappointed in the lack of anything of real substance in our news broadcasts in this country; really I am. I despise television for the most part and I don’t want to even watch what they call entertainment, but, I see that our average everyday news broadcasts have only isolated us from the broader reality. The content of the American news apparatus portrays us to the outside world as only self absorbed and narcissistic people and that’s embarassing. Although, apart from the sincere members of the Church, it’s mostly true that we are. They rarely produce anything worthwhile anymore. Do we really care what the “half a man” is up to?
So, does anyone other than me want to change their assessment of who started this grassroots push to freedom? It’s sad that the people will be duped into thinking they have gained something positive for all their struggles. I can’t help but feel anxious and burdened for them now. Let’s pray that they will take to the streets again if Muslim radicals step in. I’ll gladly send them my own lunch to sustain them. Is there no such thing as a moderate Muslim? I think of the majority of them as a lot like the majority of professing Christians, in that they just go through the motions of religion without ever cracking open their books, or, stopping to determine exactly what it is they believe in.
And, although I’ve heard they are nothing more than an arm for the radical’s agenda, I was gladdened by Al Jazeera English’ coverage of the events in Egypt, when Christians were surrounding the protestors to protect those that bowed for their prayers. Isn’t this hopeful of common bonds of mutual desire for the stability and rights of all Eyptian people? I would think it would further the groundwork for witnessing to them. The protestors who are opposing Mubarak seemed reasonable and not radical to me. So, the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood is working behind the scenes and not in the forefront with their usual chants of “Death to America.” I don’t want to loose hope even though reality is stark and ugly at times. I don’t want to loose my compassion for the plight of the Eygptian people because they have monsters in their closets. Christians display more fear and animosity towards Muslims than we do love for them. May the Lord have mercy on us for turning away from our neighbors in need of the Gospel. If we were judged by the age of the Crusaders, we wouldn’t look good at all.
These are definitely trying times and it seems when we put out a fire in one place that we find the sparks have only lighted down somewhere else. What should America’s role be in this? We can’t noticeable appear to influence the situation there, although I’ve no doubt we are doing that behind the curtain of spoken solidarity concerning the reasonable demands of the people. I feel confident that our Military Leaders and experts together with our Administration are doing all they can to protect us and our allies. If we are the peacemakers, we are doing the will of God. And those who delight in evil and murder are cursed. Let us pray and work for the salvation of all lost souls, including the Muslims. I don’t know what else to do.
It is pretty clear that our President, and we, as Americans, are outsiders looking in on the situation in Egypt (though heavily invested in military and other aid there for many reasons). There is the fact of the uprising, of the Nobel Laureate speaking for the protestors (who seems reasonable when being interviewed and most willing to step in to shared power negotiations) as set in motion with the literal status of balance of power issues in the area mix for certain. And the scenes started in one way and have gone another.
We also do not know the true intentions of anyone, no matter how they seem when interviewed; so drawing conclusions only from the phenomena as it has occurred is unclear. It is noted that militant Islam is not friendly to the USA or to Christians and Jews alike. It is noted that as observers we wish real freedom and opportunity for the common Egyptian.
It has been reported too that Mubarak’s personal bank accounts total $70 Billion. So, how would a “leader of the people” justify this when poverty and opportunity show a direct relationship in Egypt? I recall as a child watching the round tubed black and white TV in Ft. Lauderdale when Castro and Batista armies were battling over Cuba’s future. There were embedded journalists with Castro. He was painted by those reporters as a freedom fighter due to the totalitarianism and reported corruption of Batista’s Cuba. In many situations there were large agricultural estate owners and peasant workers of a vast state of living contrast.
Only after the long endured fighting strategy was won did Castro come out as a Communist. Prior, he was framed as the champion of the oppressed population. Due to TV reports alone, the polls showed Americans favored Castro, the underdog,i.e.until his interview statement affirming Communist affiliation came to light. He did not hesitate to set up firing squads on gaining power. So, his small detail of philosophical orientation was given too late to change anything, to rally to resupport the “American Allied” Batista. Nor could one see how the future would pan out with the new Regime at that time. I understand that at one point our government was supporting both sides with resources (hedging its bets so to speak).
Certainly Castro proved more totalitarian than the overpowered regime. No question exists either that Cuba was a haven at the time of the “revolution” for corruption and vice. As with other alliances, the American bystander’s thinking was a matter of choices around what was, and having such come out on “our side”. The question was on the side of our values, or as to the kind of other governments we supported in fact. To think that the USA was a pure supporter of its supposed values overseas then and now would be naive, at best.
This certainly holds in the Egyptian situation. We hope that it settles down to a “smooth transition of power”: to what??? Democracy elected Hammas in Gaza, so that may not be the plan that works out all the energy involved to the most tolerant and reasonable outcome. Perhaps all the Muslum brotherhood needs to do to gain power is wait for what is being advocated by our administration?
Sheila, Don’t worry about it. It is not your concern. Why do Christian, noticeably in this place are so judgmental? Jesus is the Lord of my life, not you. Please do not play God. Let God be God. You have no right to speak on behave of the Lord and insult me the way you did. The Lord is my guide, not you.
The Lord had bless me tremendousness today. I thank Him from the bottom of my heart for doing what He did today. Lord I also want to thank you for the church I go too. They encourage you and love you there. They do not have this ‘controlling spirit” like some here. They allow you to be you and not stop you from speaking what is on your mind.
The Lord told me today…Just focus on Me. Do not let others make you lose who you are. How I made you. Thank you Lord!!! That is why I love Him because He truly loves me. He doesn’t treat me the way others do in here.
So Sheila, please take care of your own walk don’t worry or judge another person’s walk with the Lord. Its not your place.
Wow!! I feel so free now. I feel like a ton of bricks have been lifted from me. I love you my Lord. You are AWESOME!!!
I am out. But I am happy because the Lord freed me now. I pray you feel this freedom and peace and love the way I feel now.
Folks do not allow others to stop you from being you. Do not allow others to judge you or insult you. Jesus said they hated Me, so they will hate you. I guess I am in great company.
You have no idea how much I love the Lord and How much His love is for me.
Ok, Lord lets live this journey out together. My friend to the end.
70 Billion Dollars?!! Let’s see, there are approximately 100 million people in Egypt, so, that would be how much for each person?
He should throw a really big going away party…
Debbie,
I would hope you, of all people, would see and know that I don’t want to hurt anyone and I don’t like conflict at all and I spoke what was on my heart and what is according to Scripture to do for other members of the Church. Paul lays out how we are to interact with each other. There is no shame in being human and I would hope we all want the best for each other. I am not playing God. I thought I was speaking words of reconciliation for all of us. If you remember I had to humble myself when I took a turn. I asked for forgiveness and I was restored.
In was in the spirit of restoration that I spoke to all because it’s getting to the point where I dread what’s going to be written next in here.
Others come to this blog to hear the current topic and to read and comment on Dr. Brown’s show.
I’m worn out with this. I truly am. I want nothing other than peace between all of us Debbie. I would hope you know that’s true.
Your Sister in Christ, Sheila.
Mubarak has stepped down. The Military High Council has taken over governance until September! Thank you, Lord that this came about without bloodshed today, as that was my earnest prayer last night!
Pray for the people of Egypt.
I miss hearing this show on a regular basis in the States. I’m currently a student in Gaborone, Botswana in Southern Africa….I’m so happy I can access this program on-line!!! Thanks so much!!! You are truly an inspiration!!!
Our Lord Yeshua has taught us to go into all the world and preach the Good News and make disciples of (Him and His Way). We are to follow His Way–His Commandments–and that includes a moral lifestyle.
The United States of America is no longer guided by faith, morality and love, but by secularism, humanism, greed, lust and an entitlement mentality. Many who claim to be followers of Christ live no differently than those who do not. So in this way, the super religious of any culture-especially Islam, claim superiority and justification in their hatred of us.
But, do not be fooled. Islam is oppressive to every culture that it spreads through, especially to women and those who will not submit to its false teachings.
There is only one truth and one way to Salvation–and it is Yeshua–Jesus. We must speak this truth in love, we can tolerate (respect the freedom of will to believe untruths) other beliefs but we cannot agree that they are just another way to God. Nor should we stay silent or look the other way when there is such injustice and ignorance being spread throughout the world, especially the Middle East, but even in our own Country. There are many who will subject themselves to Islam, because it is so religious and is appealing, when opposed to the undisciplined and chaotic mess that is created by living a life of self-will run riot–but we must not ignore the facts–the overall objectives and teachings of Islam do not promote equality and fair treatment of all and discourage the freedom of a society to challenge injustices done and hidden within religion.
Because of the sins of so-called ‘Christians’ who, like Muslims, forced conversations with torturing, persecution and death–who did not follow the example of our Savior and Lord, who did not follow the His way and the examples of His disciples and Apostles–many in the world have a false understanding of the teaching of our faith. However, we repent of their sins and must lead by example–with radical love, tough love, mercy, compassion and passion–to show the world a what Yeshua teaches, that He lives and moves in us through His Holy Spirit.
The teachings of Jesus were radically unselfish, spiritual, practical, proactive in love and service, to the point of being willing to sacrifice ones life–whether a living sacrifice or unto death–for another–( as opposed to Islam where we see radicals willing to sacrifice themselves to kill others)– where we let our lights shine, especially in the darkness and in the face of criticism, oppression, persecution.
There are thousands of our Christian brothers and sisters in Islamic nations and communist nations that face the severest forms of persecution for their faith in our Lord and for walking in His teachings. This is not fiction, it is fact!
Because of our own failures to walk the walk, as well as talk the talk and to do so in love and courage–we may face such in our own country. Already it is considered politically incorrect to truly share the Gospel, because we understand the Bible as the Word of God, Yeshua the only way and we are considered “Intolerant”. Having the Ten Commandments posted in schools and public places is attacked by ACLU and others as not being a separation of Church and State–which is nonsense–and not in the Constitution, by the way. (We should not encourage people to have only one God (doesn’t particularly specify a name), or encourage people not to swear and use God’s name in vain, or have a holy Sabbath( a day of rest to work on our relationship with our God, or tell people not to kill, commit adultery, or steal, or lie (including gossip), or disrespect our parents (take care of them, too,) or covet after the things of someone else, including spouses. Where would our society be if we promote such behavior!!!?? Don’t tell people to love others as you would love yourself. Why, that is horrible!
We see the demise of our nation because of our lack of walking in our faith and sharing our faith at all cost and now, other ‘religions’ encroach upon our own country to take away the freedoms we treated with malaise and which we abused by refusing to allow our faith to help us walk a disciplined life devoted to our Savior and our God.
We judge not individuals, but we have been given a commission and must act accordingly. It will change the hearts and lives of individuals, and thus entire communities. We are messengers in a lost and dying world. We offer life–eternal life with in Christ. We should not be ashamed of this Gospel–and should understand and feel the full weight of the urgency to share it. Our Lord is returning soon! How many Muslims, pagans, Hindus, etc. will miss out on God’s abundant grace and mercy that is freely offered to all?! Because we are afraid to tell them the truth! Because we are afraid to offend them! Let the many be offended if it means life for those who want to know God, love God and experience His freeing Mercies and abundant blessings.
I know this is a long post, but it is heart felt and I believe spirit led. It goes beyond politics and ‘culture’ clashes. With Yeshua (Jesus) we must pick up our cross daily (die to self daily–die to the world daily–and follow Him–give Him our all–and that means our brothers and sisters, our neighbors and strangers–and with Yeshua it means our enemies, as well. We can’t be salt and light in the world if we blend in and hide in its darkness or fear the ramifications of promoting the Truth of our God and His Salvation.
With love to all who read this post. May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Our Father in Heaven and our Savior Richly bless you and give you strength. May he lift you on the wings of eagles, help you to run and not be weary and walk and not faint.
Be of good courage, trust in Him and He will lead you in the paths of Righteousness.
Great show, 3 Messianic Jews on one radio show, whoa!
Here is a great recorded show that is on this topic and adds a lot to the discussion of Islam and the Middle East.
http://www.abnsat.com/abnnew/index.php?option=com_hwdvideoshare&task=viewvideo&Itemid=70&video_id=118
Blessings!
I feel that the American media is somewhat a hypocrite in how they portrait the situation happening in Egypt. They portray it as being very grim. Hasn’t the US experienced many riots in the past as well? We got through those situations, and it made us be more considerate to ensure that justice belongs to everyone, not just a privilege group in our society. If injustice should rear its ugly head in our country again, uprisings will soon to follow right behind it. Again!
I truly don’t believe that those free liberated women taking part in those Egyptian protests are fighting to be oppressed by radical Muslim extremists. To really be able to live in that kind of oppressive society, one would need to be trained from birth, without education, which the Egyptians have not done. Those people are fighting for fair treatment. Is that such a bad thing?
I guess loyalty is not in vogue these days. Is it truly wise for the leaders of our country to turn their backs on an Egyptian leader who has supported them in so many ways? Would it not be much better to lend him advice in how to listen and reach his people in a much better way? I feel that the problems in Egypt are more due to the lack of good administration than someone trying to take advantage of their country.
Lastly but not least, right now the Egyptian economy is slowing down due to those unusual protests, and likewise, our economy is slowing down too, but due to our very unusual cold weather happening across the country! We seem to be facing the same economic situation as the Egyptians. The contrast being, Egyptians can at any time stop their fighting, and get back to work, whereas our situation is a bit more complicated.
Side Note: Remember the Pharaoh of the Bible? How his stubbornness not only caused his country to be destroyed, but caused the death of their first born. Are we making that same mistake?
Pamela,
I think the people Dr. Brown interviewed have the perspective of how it actually is for people in Egypt and the other lands mentioned. Islamic culture based politics, in practice, are very oppressive and authoritarian, akin to the belief system itself, so, generally the legacy of the Middle East is so disposed from the grass roots up. Submission and a related apathy permeates the consciousness. It is one thing to feel our feelings about events–for example as to how we wish it to be for women joining the protests from our vantage point here–and another altogether to be in a land where the spiritual climate and presence of principalities and forces unseen affect the crowds and governments of the mass population. Sadly, because of power based politics, fractions, religion, the legacy of the Caliphs and the like–without a change in general population core beliefs–some form of oppression will most likely continue.
This holds even if the structure of government changes, for the heart does not accompany such idealism as we can bring up from our arm chair viewpoints here with a mutual care The opportunities we take for granted, e.g. available food at good prices, education at all levels of possibility, freedom of travel, speech, and prosperous pursuit–very few experience in this region. Even so, it is as Dr. Brown’s guest stated, a woman can graduate from Harvard and return and not find an appropriate job under the veil.
Granted, a strong man may be needed to quell the anarchists and jihadists from waxing toward Nihlism–such as a Sadat or Mubarek. But, there are few noble souls allied with progressive plans within the ways of the area. To offer changes that help women, men, students, youth, old and young would require a radical change in the heart of the involved. Suspicion, superstition,petty hatred,and prejudice are the norm of such cultures of reference.
This does not mean that anyone wishes this status on the population there; simply look at the literacy rates and you will gain a wider picture of the mindset, fatalism, and how far it usually goes toward more beneficial plans than merely outting the authoritarian ruler. Vision takes heart, and noble intention takes a commisseration rarely seen in the region.
What is sad indeed is that there are few role models which the dissatisfied can look to for real change.
Jabez,
Thank you for your thoughtful response, but I am not a man therefore I do not have any male-bonding tendency. I like to deal with the facts. I don’t follow what a man says just because he is a man. I’m not, as you were implying in your comment, trying to be contrary to Dr. Brown’s guests. As I posted before, I am just stating my opinion of which nobody should be offended by. It’s just my view point. So let me address specifically the things you stated in your comment. Have you ever been to Egypt? If not, then your statements in your first paragraph seem to be somewhat unjustified. I speak from the view point of woman since I am a woman. In addition, just as you made sweeping derogatory comments about the Islamic faith. They, too, can make some very truthful sweeping derogatory claims about a Christian society. I enjoyed listening to Dr. Brown’s interview with his guests. What I addressed were unfound fear tactics that people like express through the media. I see a lot of mind-games being played through the media, and I hope you can see them too.
As for your second paragraph, again, are we not free in this country to express an opinion. And again, please don’t get offended by my opinion because I am a woman. I like to examine things and think them through. All those ills you mentioned for Egypt exists right here in the good old US of A. Hungry exist here. The high price of gas has caused many unable to travel far from their homes. Any kind of adverse weather can affect our food prices. Our kids may go to school, but are they learning? Right now, the US ranks 22th in the middle and high school educational efficiency as comparison to other countries. The fact is, not all countries that follow the Islamic faith treat their woman with distain as Egypt does not.
In your fourth paragraph, I believe that you are accusing the Muslims of possessing the same views that you just expressed towards them in your first paragraph. I don’t care for those sweeping derogatory views. They are hateful, and hate leads to death!
For your last two paragraphs, again, they contain sweeping derogatory statements. You have completely over looked the fact that Egypt is a country full of cultural artifacts that are very precious to the entire world, and they didn’t get that way by being stupid ignorant people!
One major complaint that I have is with the USA news media. With the advent of the internet anyone and everyone can access their news coverage. I believe they are that hidden catalyst that promotes unrest in the world. They go everywhere reporting back with their very derogatory news coverage. Officially, there may not be a cast system here in this country, but there’s definitely one in the American mindset. The US news media have made poverty an indication of an inferior culture filled with inferior human beings. You don’t think that the rest of the world can hears and see that? They act like poverty does not exist here in the United State, but it does! They seem cater to those who like to live in deception by deceiving them they are superior because they have to obtain mostly everything they own through the power of the dollar. They say things like, “They live on only $2 a day! They are so very very poor! Poverty is everywhere!” They completely over look the fact that those same so-called poor people have land, homes, and cattle. They have a culture of trading in goods not money that can be easily counterfeit!
You should try viewing the Christian culture from the Islamic view point, and you will see what they see. Immorality runs rampant in our society! We deal with horrific immoral issues of which they will never have to encounter in their country.
So who’s truly superior? We all have problems, and I have just stated my opinion!
PS. Jabez, I have seen your name in red the way Dr. Brown’s name shows up when he posts. It’s obvious you have a inside connection for this website. Do you work for him or something?
Pamela,
You seem to be stating that I may have assumed a male bonding tendency in offering my own remarks and assertions made of my ”thoughful response”. Otherwise it remains unclear why you remarked on male bonding. Or, at the least, that I may also uphold a personal condescension on Egyptian society, due to “derogatory” remarks I supposedly made, as is stated as being the case as to your cited comments of US news reports on poverty in Egypt, as you had noted these to be. This was also because I have stated some difficult attributes of Islamic Middle Eastern culture, as factual and applicable to Egypt, as such. You have also made the astute observation that poverty is not simply measured by monetary income, and that other values can sustain a so-called poorer society, which may be more sustainable than monetary values. You implied that western media errs in discussing Egyptian culture as poor, when local values may not be measurable in western cultural terms.
My comments on the three radio commentators definitely being savvy ones reinforced their own thoughts as were stated as were formed by their area visitations, one being an Israeli resident, the other two being long studied researchers and visitors of the area (and of a particular people group of the area as well). Considerable research, readings, historical and belief system considerations, comparative values, and alike deliberations formed as to their own long developed interpretation of the heart and ways of Islamic affinities, were given as to their own partial analysis on the show, as such. That these commentators were also men had little to do with my reinforcements of their statements; considerable contact and reading with cited and remarked area culture did.
FYI, I did not view you as being primarily contrary to the guests, but as coming from a kind of armchair perspective indeed of transferable western women’s rights advocacies as being ideologically commiserate kinds of identifications and associations made with the women protestors seen on the TV from Egypt—or so what you stated seemed. It seemed that such a perspective did not take other cultural realities into its accounting of media anomalies. “The facts” as media may present them also may be bound up in regional history, religion, and culture per se, rather than simply what one media presenter may have identified with in their own heart so to speak; so, we seem to find one another as lacking in one way or another.
Facts may be colored as you mentioned by whatever the media slant may be on all women, its own women, local women, or men, by limited cultural perspectives, or so by the protestors themselves as have been represented by the caveat of media presenters editorializing while also reporting. It only seems natural that from the outside looking in cultural values comparisons will be made.
Yes, I agree, the USA may have had alike past protests, some past social inequities, mass movement actions, and justifications for such in its own history. No, what the three radio show commentators talk about is not simply from a cultural comparison, subject by objective subject point of view, male bias perspective, or psychosocial bias. What was being remarked by these people and me is about truth and freedom of choice in its context, and that not simply being relative truth as such, and such as to who the commentators were in background when so commenting.
Yes, I have lived in the Middle East, in Israel. And so as a Messianic believer in Yeshua as the Jewish Messiah, and appointed savior of the world (for those who call upon Him, Aka Jesus Christ, for He lives). As such my own perspective does not readily associate comparative religion as coequal with a primarily culturally derived perspective, so related objectification, or social psychology, as such. What this radio program questions and remarks about is vital to wide world futures as well as Egyptian futures because of who Jesus is.
A “Christian perspective” as you call it is strongly allied not only with its culture or religious identification, but with an internal presence of Christ’s Spirit in one by the gift of Promise given by the living Christ, as a risen living person representing the certainty of the living God to humanity. This bonding then, not male bonding, was in fact known of the three radio commentators, and so of my person, though we have never met personally. As an observer, scholar, and researcher, and present follower of Middle Eastern current events—which may link up with Biblical Prophecy—I have in the past also had such identification with women who profess Jesus Christ as a living person.
So what you have called derogatory was about the factual history and implications over time of Islam, the religion of the sword. Its founder decapitated groups of people personally; Jesus was not so disposed.
There wasn’t a dull moment with Dr. Seif! I was so engaged throughout this program and recommended it to others right away. Please bring him back on in the future.
Pamela,
Poster’s names appear in red when they are linked to a web site. You can click on them and go to these linked sites. It is a matter of convenience to be able to find out more about those posting. There is no affiliation of Dr. Brown with Jabez as far as I know.
Shalom
Jabez,
Apart from the fact that you placed my name above your comment, I don’t like to read the things you like to write about. I don’t care for the way you go about gnashing (Psalm 37:12) on what others write. For the most part, when I see your name, I don’t read your postings. I skip over them. I don’t know why you consider this comment posting form a social networking site for your argumentative style. You sucker me into an argument with you when I first started to post on this site, but never again. That was a total waste of my time! I continue to state my opinions on Dr. Brown’s show that are interesting to me. They are my opinions and that is it! I refuse to nick-pick with you over words because you seem to love playing around with words than actually expressing a thoughtful idea. Try offering something new, insightful and original without it being sparked by another person’s comments.
As for a claim of being a Jewish believer in Christ, it really means nothing if the fruit is bad! True, all Israel will be saved. (Romans 11:26) But most Bible scholars believe that verse only applies to those who are living at the Second Coming of Christ. Question is which of us will be alive at that time, if any?
This verse states it best…
And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven. But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 8:11-12
PS. I just skimmed over your last comment with my name as the heading. I’m really not interested in your writings, and there is nothing in the Bible that says I have to pay attention to someone that I don’t care to paid attention to. If you find something in the Bible to that effect then I will start paying attention to your comments. Otherwise…
Later ~ Peace Out!
Thank You ~ Big Tex!
And the people said………..AMEN!!!
Pamela, It is always good to know how another person feels due to their own clarifications. We certainly do not want to get into any substantive matters where feelings are the most understood reality.
Debbie, I am not sure where your comment is directed. The Lord comments in later Mt. 18 on how to pursue issues, otherwise blessings. –Jabez
PS How is it going with those on the streets in Egypt now?
Jebez,
I did not know that you are Jewish. I am fascinated by how the Lord opens up some Jewish peoples eyes to know the Messiah. I believe you are truly blessed.
Also, I said AMEN because
I can relate to where Pamela is coming from.
Been there.
On my knees, by inquiry, in 1971 the Jesus of Matthew and John directly revealed he was the Messiah.
So Pamela and Debra,
If negative ot positive feelings are what we go by as our guide, in doing unto others as we would have them do to us, what obligation have we to the Law of Christ? Pamela, feelings were present as motivators of the choices made to eat the forbidden fruit (“it was felt that it was good for food, and pleasing to the eyes, and desireable for gaining wisdom [as so persuaded and believed], she took some and ate it”). Being threatened or angry with a professing believer simply because other information than what you represented as “the facts” was offered, or feedback is given over what you wrote, is to murder in one’s heart according to the Lord.
What is really threatened by admonishment of other perspectives, enlargement of more facts than felt facts of what was believed in viewing protestors in Egypt before it became violent, and as to an assessment you offered on Mubarek? Part of being “Jewish” Debra may be John the Baptist’s own tendencies of direct communication and direct challenge to what is felt being one’s guide.
Also, a quote is offered as implied judgment of my person in comment #8. The word “children” in that passage actually is rendered “subjects” in many translations, where, the thought is given by the Lord quite differently than the quotation shared permitted in Pamela’s response to my communication addressing her thoughts. Words are vital to communication, and clarification of meaning, whether others examining them differently than one assumes is permitted to in direct dialogue or not. The passage cited is used out of context has a meaning about those who do not heed the Jesus identity and teaching, as such. The passage cited is about those who do not seek, hear, and heed the words of Jesus before that Day. He marveled that the Gentile Centurion so trusted his ability to heal as the sent One, when Israel denied His appointment.
Stating or implying that I am not listening to Jesus in attempting dialogue on the “forum” is not borne out by the facts of my involvement over the duration of particpations in discussions on the line of fire forums here–as has been established over time. I recall a long and long endured interchange with a Yeshiva student on such a forum, where many words were interchanged as to whether or not Mary was a virgin, or needed to be, as Jesus’ mother: which he claimed she was not and could not be. Word meanings were examined in depth, with that Yeshiva student negatively labeling all of us who remarked on the related Biblical word meanings throughout the OT and NT useages.
In our considered responses, no thought was ever entertained that those of us who were defending the assertion that Mary was indeed a virgin (and was so identified by the total references to her in prophecy and the NT) should go by our feelings of frustration toward the Jewish student who dispised Jesus as Messiah and belittled our responses. Our charge was always to bear up under his assignments, assessments, ascriptions of intention, and put downs of those of faith in Jesus Christ as the Christ. This stance on how to relate to him then is given in response to how you might relate to my person here, Pamela.
I am not naive in commenting here on what I offered as to your comments on protesting women in the streets of Cairo, I have studied Islam,and directly observed its affects on people under its sway. It is simply not about “cultural understanding”, for, It is of the same deceiver in its origins who deceived Eve in the Garden. Satan, like Muhammed, was a murderer and deceiver from the beginning. It is sad to see lives of masses of people under the oppression of its belief system, including those in Cairo.
It is not that I personally wish women, children, or men to not gain equal opportunity in Egypt, it is that its founder’s assertions and history encorporates deceit, unlike Jesus Christ. I cannot then directly compare Christ affect on Christian culture with Muhammed affect on Islamic culture without noting the differences in fruit and grace and truth from these religions’ originators. I have a burden for those so oppressed to become completely free indeed, which can only occur with a conversion of the soul, and the coming of the Promised Spirit to new believers in Jesus.
Pamela, Debra (& Jabez) – Normally I wouldn’t make such comments because I feel that they do not add any value to the topic being discussed, but this will be the very first and very last time where i do say something on this issue, because it seems to have been brewing for a while on these forums.
My reply might be valuable, since you are hearing this from an independent source.
As much as I appreciate your desire to flesh out these issues, I feel as if you have floated away from the topic at hand. Instead of debating the issues, you are engaged in a back and forth of finger pointing.
I am no longer religious per se. I consider myself spiritual, however and I find peace in my agnosticism. I find myself drawn to this website for its interesting perspectives, but it is as though some of the comments are going way out of line – resorting to personal “flame wars”. Dare I point the finger?
This type of bickering between believers, this cavalier and inappropriate use of holy scripture -(Psalm 32:12 “The wicked plot against the righteous and gnash their teeth at them”) not to debate some theological point, but to run someone through with your sword is totally inappropriate.
This theme is continued: when there is a suggestion that some will get into the party and others (a crass insinuation) will not. And you are proud to offer condolences of peace after such an acrimonious diatribe? Is this to your credit? Believers, don’t you think this is to your shame? As is it is written: the atheists are blaspheming and mocking God and his bride on account of your immaturity.
I used to be a part of a small group, but I found the bickering between certain individuals too much to bear. So I moved. Now it seems to be happening here in these comments. And I’m not even part of the church anymore.
If you don’t want to read Jabez comments. Fine. Don’t read them.
But this sort of immaturity: mainly Pamela and Deb, is not constructive in the least.
I am hoping you will be woken from your reverie by this comment. As I promised: the first, and last time I will ever speak on this. I now consider the matter closed.
Yay for the Coptic Christians!
To Friendly,
I have no clue what you are talking about. All I see happening from you is just an attack from Satan.
I will not be sorry for my truth and honesty.
Jesus was not afraid to speak the truth. Why should I?
Just listened to the show DR Brown talked about yesterday about getting attack by the devil.
Too funny.
I love you Lord!!! 🙂
Pamela,
Quick note of Encouragement. Please do not stop from posting on this site. Do not allow people who attack you stop you from giving your opinions here.
It is not right. Do not allow the devil to stop you from fellowshipping. Do not let him win.
Debbie,
I really appreciate that positive word from you. I had stopped reading Jabez’s comments long ago, but I didn’t say that to discourage him from posting here nor to insult him. I just feel that his motivation for posting here is different than mine. Even the Bible says that two cannot walk together unless they are in agreeance. (Amos 3:3) I just want Jabez to realize that God made people different and that’s ok, and to not get angry when I don’t respond to his comments directed toward me because my motivation and my attention is really somewhere else. Some people obtain information and knowledge through debate and that’s ok, except on this form, I don’t want to engage in such time consuming mental activity, however, I do appreciate Dr. Brown for giving us the opportunity to fully express our opinions.
It might be that with God first making male, then female, in His image, and that image (having fallen) being restored spiritually from the results of the Fall (and from human beiefs and actions yielding to the temptation of sin) in Jesus work of His Cross, that feeling threatened by challenging approaches to forum statements that do not always agree is unnecessary. The forum exists not to tune out other thoughtful expressions, but to address their perspectives with other possibilities, in Christ.
I and “Friendly” have stated something about Pamela’s defamation statements associating my person and my participation with those who rejected Jesus at the time of his visitation–over which he pronounced great disappointment (and not so in the passage over the faith of the Centurion in the statement Pamela used to condemn’s context). Lively discussion and interchange is stimulated by the very format and topics raised by this topical current events framed radio program.
Simply because someone brings in other thoughts to someone’s stated opinion (Pamela’s, or Debbie’s in this case) does not equate with that person being “of Satan”. If anything finding the opponents of Jesus constantly stating he was “of Satan” because his Way differed from their own kept them from indeed looking at their own hearts when he did not readily agree to their approach to God and the established resulting yoke given his Nation. Jesus was not a fitting denominationalist or party line promoter of the existing order, as He often demonstated and so spoke in lively engagement of those “sent from the Priests, scribes, Pharisees, or Temple order [assembled quote taken with liberty]”.
God did not clone robots, he made distinct personalities, with distinct character, and differeing viewpoints. And he gathered a diverse group of disciples, from which he chose the Apostles. Through the Apostles many examinations written in the NT of the issues of life, religion, and fellowship we have the model of our freedom in Christ to reason together, and not yield to the tyranny of what anyone singly “feels”.
I stand by what I have written in response to Pamela’s original postings, and now, indeed have brought up too, by what constituted defamation of character in her last response to me personally. Noone chooses for anyone what they buy at the magazine stand. And this forum represents that stand in a real sense. Nor should anyone lambast another for choosing a computer magazine over say, Vogue magazine.
Even so, finding what is written in the Word, and as to truth formed of critical think it through argumentation on the issues mentioned of the Apostles is not evil simply because it may not be of our own preferences or feelings.
I have been indeed labeled as “friendly”, and coincidentally I described, and that may challenge those who do not like my approach to critical thinking to in the very least consider their own approach to honoring their feelings singly as the only possible outlook of potential for the forum as hence becoming a basis of contempt for what is indeed derogatory and inapproprate as to the guidelines of conduct we are requested to follow here.
Being threatened by ideas or thoughts that do not simply agree with one’s own–if upheld as the only viewpoint possible by attacking the messenger of messages not enjoyed–reverts to the season of interchange which brought forth a great flood covering mankind for good reason.
The guidelines posted on not attacking people, but dealing with ideas and perspectives of people, seem to have been respected in this forum up to the point of assignment of my person and now whoever “Friendly” might be as being the spawn of Satan. And this is a dangerous position of soul, if my words were derived of the mind of Christ applied to the current topic and posters on it here.
Discernment in the NT by its interpretation of thoughtful interchange of ideas and viewpoints on topics posted here is not excluded by the moderation guidelines of this forum. I TRUST THAT THE MODERATOR WILL INTERVENE AND CALL A SPADE A SPADE AND NOT AN AGRICULTURAL IMPLEMENT where personal attacks are permitted in the place of the forum’s intention. I have not crossed that boundary here, others have, and have labeled evil those who have brought in other viewpoints than their own. To honor this would be to honor tyranny in its present form of censure.
I will not say that Pamela, or Debbie are the spawn of Satan in having offered past viewpoints–for I would defend anyone’s opportunity for free speech; I will say that they are not like the Bereans in examining what is placed before them when presenting in their everyday paths.
Jabez H.,
If you want to take it to the next level, I think you must address Dr. Brown directly in a post on this thread. Appealing to the moderator has done nothing in the past, if my memory serves me correctly. Please remember that Y’Shua addressed Peter with, “Get thee behind me Satan.” Pretty strong words. You are correct that the religious leaders did miss out by simply judging their Messiah as working by Beelzebub, instead of judging righteous judgment. You might want to leave the judgment to YHWH as to the statements against your person, instead of appealing to Caesar (Please read as a figure of speech), in this regard.
Shabbat Shalom
I don’t mean to be an alarmist, but, as soon as I clicked on “An Israeli Perspective on Egypt”, I got an immediate response from Norton that a “high severity” threat of “malicious Java activity” had been instigated on my home pc and blocked. This is very troublesome and I can’t find a way to notify the website you directed us to for that article. Can someone help, please, if you can notify them! The source of the computer attack was this address which I’ll include in brackets so you can’t accidentally click on it. [gavilune.cz.cc 76.76.117.100, 80] with the following source address:
76.76.117.100
I can provide the full URL if you need me to.
Jabez,
Just for the record I never once said you were being used by Satan. In both of my posts today I was not talking about you once. I was addressing “friendly” and posting to Pamela referring about “friendly”‘s post.
The position friendly took on Pamela’s reponse to me reiterated what I already stated, save his personal choice outlined on becoming an agnostic. Read, read, read. COmpute, compute, compute. Get it, get it, get it.
So, Debbie, how does my post preceeding his not employ the same observations he made. And so, all the hostility sent my way was for most of the same reasons his argumentation has been so labeled. What seems to be being trusted here is about feelings rather than objective understanding of issues, perspectives, and postions. The moment anyone departed from postitions to favor feelings the Way was lost.
I think you are trouble. Please do not respond to me any more.
What you did with Pamela you did to me before. Just leave us alone please.
My focus will continue to be on the Way and Word of Jesus Christ, with the promise in view that if we continue in the word the truth will set us free indeed. As to encounters or admomition of anyone anytime I will follow the teachings of Jesus Christ in later MT. 18, where, “if your brother offends you, go to him, tell him between you and him, and, if he hears you, you have won your brother”. Where not so, the blessing of prayer will be extended from my prayer closet. Jesus is the Way, truth, and life. His head is not buried in sand.
Jebez,
I have no ill feelings towards you at all. I seriously did not mean to say you are trouble. I meant to say I want no trouble. I did not correct my post.
I give you credit for something. I give myself credit for something too. I give credit to all those Christians who do not give up on Jesus just because we go through rocky moments sometimes with our brother or sister in Christ.
As for folks like “Friendly”. Keep on putting down those who are in Christ. Go ahead. Call me every name in the book. Have a party. Just a warning to you. Every time you attack us, you are attacking Jesus too. Keep that in mind.
I guess that is the risk one takes when they post on sites like this. People will judge you.
Whatever, I like myself. I love myself in Christ more.
typo…should be.
I guess that is the risk one takes when “you” post on sites like this. People will judge you.
These are troubling times.This was written by a woman born in Egypt as a Muslim.�
This is not heresy.
Joys of Muslim Women
by Nonie Darwish
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In the Muslim faith a Muslim man can marry a child as young as 1 year old and have sexual intimacy with this child, consummating the marriage by 9.�
The dowry is given to the family in exchange for the woman (who becomes his slave) and for the purchase of the private parts of the woman, to use her as a toy.
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Even though a woman is abused, she cannot obtain a divorce.
To prove rape, the woman must have (4) male witnesses.
Often after a woman has been raped, she is returned to her family and the family must return the dowry.�
The family has the right to execute her (an honor killing) to restore the honor of the family.
Husbands can beat their wives ‘at will’ and the man�does not have to say why he has beaten her.
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The husband is permitted to have 4 wives and a temporary wife for an hour (prostitute) at his discretion.
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The Shariah Muslim law controls the private as well as the public life of the woman.
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In the Western World ( America ) Muslim men are starting to demand Shariah Law so the wife cannot obtain a divorce and he can have full and complete control of her.�
It is amazing and alarming how many of our sisters and daughters attending American Universities are now marrying Muslim men
and submitting themselves and their children unsuspectingly to the Shariah law.
Ripping the West in Two
Author and lecturer�Nonie Darwish�says the goal of radical Islamists is to impose Shariah law on the world, ripping Western law and liberty in two.
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She recently authored the book,�”Cruel and Usual Punishment: The Terrifying Global Implications of Islamic Law”.
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Darwish was born in Cairo and spent her childhood in Egypt and Gaza �before immigrating to America in 1978, when she was eight years old.
Her father died while leading covert attacks on Israel .�
He was a high-ranking Egyptian military officer stationed with his family in Gaza .
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When he died, he was considered a “shahid,” a martyr for jihad. His posthumous status earned Nonie and her family an elevated position in Muslim society.
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But Darwish developed a skeptical eye at an early age. She questioned her own Muslim culture and upbringing.�
She converted to Christianity after hearing a Christian preacher on television.
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In her latest book, Darwish warns about creeping sharia law – what it is, what it means, and how it is manifested in Islamic countries.
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For the West, she says radical Islamists are working to impose sharia on the world. If that happens, Western civilization will be destroyed.
Westerners generally assume all religions encourage a respect for the dignity of each individual.�
Islamic law (Sharia) teaches that non-Muslims should be subjugated or killed in this world.
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Peace and prosperity for one’s children is not as important as assuring that Islamic law rules everywhere in the Middle East and eventually in the world.
While Westerners tend to think that all religions encourage some form of the golden rule, Sharia teaches two systems of ethics – one for Muslims and another for non-Muslims.
Building on tribal practices of the seventh century, Sharia encourages the side of humanity that wants to take from and subjugate others.
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While Westerners tend to think in terms of religious people developing a personal understanding of and relationship with God,
Sharia advocates executing people who ask difficult questions that could be interpreted as criticism.
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It’s hard to imagine, that in this day and age, Islamic scholars agree that those who criticize Islam or choose to stop being Muslim should be executed.
Sadly, while talk of an Islamic reformation is common and even assumed by many in the West, such murmurings in the Middle East are silenced through intimidation.
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While Westerners are accustomed to an increase in religious tolerance over time,
Darwish explains how petro dollars are being used to grow an extremely intolerant form of political Islam in her native Egypt and elsewhere.
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In twenty years there will be enough Muslim voters in the U.S. to elect the President by themselves!
Rest assured they will do so… You can look at how they have taken over several towns in the USA .. Dearborn Mi ch. is one… and there are others…
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It is too bad that so many are disillusioned with life and Christianity to accept Muslims as peaceful.
Some may be but they have an army that is willing to shed blood in the name of Islam.. the peaceful support the warriors with their finances and own kind of patriotism to their religion.
While America is getting rid of Christianity from all public sites and erasing God from the lives of children, the Muslims are planning a great jihad on America ..
With Sincere Love for all my Brothers and Sisters,
I urge all of you to thoughtfully weigh you responses to comments posted before you answer any. I’m not saying we don’t want to correct gross doctrinal errors that are to the ruin of our brethren, but, when the things being discussed become only of personality differences and intellectual strivings, we need to proceed with sincere love and respect for each other. You may want to try this, which is a formula that has helped me. I’m trying to save each of you from the humility that will overtake you when you speak rashly and too quickly. And I speak from experience. It’s not worth it.
Take a blank word pad document and copy and paste the entry that stirred you to a response, whether in a good way or a negative way, and then type out your reply to it. Give yourself time in reading and re-reading both before posting. If your response is one which will build up your brothers and sisters, then we want to hear it. If it is to tear down and hurt, don’t post it. We need to judge our own selves and our own words knowing that the Lord sees our heart. We are not our own if it be we are sincere in serving the Lord and each other. We are not honoring the Lord with our idle words, of which we will all give an account of when we stand before our Judge. So, take heed how you answer each other and with how you use, or, misuse Sacred Scripture. Let all things be said and done with the goal of building up and keeping each other with love and kindness for all our brethren.
If our sharing of our thoughts is not for building up, let’s not post them. I want to be enriched when I come here to interact with my fellows. I want to read what others have to say about the topics presented for discussion here. I want to interact in a positive, uplifting way that is condusive to honoring each other in mutual respect and concern. I like people and the fact that they don’t think like I do and so I look forward to hearing from them concerning the various and interesting subjects that Dr. Brown brings to light. We are all to represent our Lord in all we do and in various situations. If there are those who are weaker than ourselves, then pray for them and keep in mind that the Lord desire is for all of us to keep peace with each other. Take it to the Lord in prayer and then consider your answer.
Amen?
After reading the link about the Israeli thoughts on Egypt, (and I got no alert this time from Norton–must have been a coincidence) I think we should send some pilots over to fly the fighter jets we gave them on to Israel and leave them there!
If the news corporations in America would think about actually presenting us with the truth of the situations in the Middle East on a regular basis, rather than having reality come to us in a wave of popular uprisings, we could better discern the implication and agenda of these “supposed moderates” who will most likely step forward in hopes of dominating the political machine there. No, our news programs focus is on “the more outrageous, the better”, “what is Sarah saying today”, “who tweeted what”, and all of the other worthless nonsense that they feed us. I’m so disappointed in the lack of anything of real substance in our news broadcasts in this country; really I am. I despise television for the most part and I don’t want to even watch what they call entertainment, but, I see that our average everyday news broadcasts have only isolated us from the broader reality. The content of the American news apparatus portrays us to the outside world as only self absorbed and narcissistic people and that’s embarassing. Although, apart from the sincere members of the Church, it’s mostly true that we are. They rarely produce anything worthwhile anymore. Do we really care what the “half a man” is up to?
So, does anyone other than me want to change their assessment of who started this grassroots push to freedom? It’s sad that the people will be duped into thinking they have gained something positive for all their struggles. I can’t help but feel anxious and burdened for them now. Let’s pray that they will take to the streets again if Muslim radicals step in. I’ll gladly send them my own lunch to sustain them. Is there no such thing as a moderate Muslim? I think of the majority of them as a lot like the majority of professing Christians, in that they just go through the motions of religion without ever cracking open their books, or, stopping to determine exactly what it is they believe in.
And, although I’ve heard they are nothing more than an arm for the radical’s agenda, I was gladdened by Al Jazeera English’ coverage of the events in Egypt, when Christians were surrounding the protestors to protect those that bowed for their prayers. Isn’t this hopeful of common bonds of mutual desire for the stability and rights of all Eyptian people? I would think it would further the groundwork for witnessing to them. The protestors who are opposing Mubarak seemed reasonable and not radical to me. So, the influence of the Muslim Brotherhood is working behind the scenes and not in the forefront with their usual chants of “Death to America.” I don’t want to loose hope even though reality is stark and ugly at times. I don’t want to loose my compassion for the plight of the Eygptian people because they have monsters in their closets. Christians display more fear and animosity towards Muslims than we do love for them. May the Lord have mercy on us for turning away from our neighbors in need of the Gospel. If we were judged by the age of the Crusaders, we wouldn’t look good at all.
These are definitely trying times and it seems when we put out a fire in one place that we find the sparks have only lighted down somewhere else. What should America’s role be in this? We can’t noticeable appear to influence the situation there, although I’ve no doubt we are doing that behind the curtain of spoken solidarity concerning the reasonable demands of the people. I feel confident that our Military Leaders and experts together with our Administration are doing all they can to protect us and our allies. If we are the peacemakers, we are doing the will of God. And those who delight in evil and murder are cursed. Let us pray and work for the salvation of all lost souls, including the Muslims. I don’t know what else to do.
It is pretty clear that our President, and we, as Americans, are outsiders looking in on the situation in Egypt (though heavily invested in military and other aid there for many reasons). There is the fact of the uprising, of the Nobel Laureate speaking for the protestors (who seems reasonable when being interviewed and most willing to step in to shared power negotiations) as set in motion with the literal status of balance of power issues in the area mix for certain. And the scenes started in one way and have gone another.
We also do not know the true intentions of anyone, no matter how they seem when interviewed; so drawing conclusions only from the phenomena as it has occurred is unclear. It is noted that militant Islam is not friendly to the USA or to Christians and Jews alike. It is noted that as observers we wish real freedom and opportunity for the common Egyptian.
It has been reported too that Mubarak’s personal bank accounts total $70 Billion. So, how would a “leader of the people” justify this when poverty and opportunity show a direct relationship in Egypt? I recall as a child watching the round tubed black and white TV in Ft. Lauderdale when Castro and Batista armies were battling over Cuba’s future. There were embedded journalists with Castro. He was painted by those reporters as a freedom fighter due to the totalitarianism and reported corruption of Batista’s Cuba. In many situations there were large agricultural estate owners and peasant workers of a vast state of living contrast.
Only after the long endured fighting strategy was won did Castro come out as a Communist. Prior, he was framed as the champion of the oppressed population. Due to TV reports alone, the polls showed Americans favored Castro, the underdog,i.e.until his interview statement affirming Communist affiliation came to light. He did not hesitate to set up firing squads on gaining power. So, his small detail of philosophical orientation was given too late to change anything, to rally to resupport the “American Allied” Batista. Nor could one see how the future would pan out with the new Regime at that time. I understand that at one point our government was supporting both sides with resources (hedging its bets so to speak).
Certainly Castro proved more totalitarian than the overpowered regime. No question exists either that Cuba was a haven at the time of the “revolution” for corruption and vice. As with other alliances, the American bystander’s thinking was a matter of choices around what was, and having such come out on “our side”. The question was on the side of our values, or as to the kind of other governments we supported in fact. To think that the USA was a pure supporter of its supposed values overseas then and now would be naive, at best.
This certainly holds in the Egyptian situation. We hope that it settles down to a “smooth transition of power”: to what??? Democracy elected Hammas in Gaza, so that may not be the plan that works out all the energy involved to the most tolerant and reasonable outcome. Perhaps all the Muslum brotherhood needs to do to gain power is wait for what is being advocated by our administration?
Sheila,
Don’t worry about it. It is not your concern. Why do Christian, noticeably in this place are so judgmental? Jesus is the Lord of my life, not you. Please do not play God. Let God be God. You have no right to speak on behave of the Lord and insult me the way you did. The Lord is my guide, not you.
The Lord had bless me tremendousness today. I thank Him from the bottom of my heart for doing what He did today. Lord I also want to thank you for the church I go too. They encourage you and love you there. They do not have this ‘controlling spirit” like some here. They allow you to be you and not stop you from speaking what is on your mind.
The Lord told me today…Just focus on Me. Do not let others make you lose who you are. How I made you.
Thank you Lord!!! That is why I love Him because He truly loves me. He doesn’t treat me the way others do in here.
So Sheila, please take care of your own walk don’t worry or judge another person’s walk with the Lord. Its not your place.
Wow!! I feel so free now. I feel like a ton of bricks have been lifted from me. I love you my Lord. You are AWESOME!!!
I am out. But I am happy because the Lord freed me now. I pray you feel this freedom and peace and love the way I feel now.
Folks do not allow others to stop you from being you. Do not allow others to judge you or insult you. Jesus said they hated Me, so they will hate you. I guess I am in great company.
You have no idea how much I love the Lord and How much His love is for me.
Ok, Lord lets live this journey out together. My friend to the end.
70 Billion Dollars?!! Let’s see, there are approximately 100 million people in Egypt, so, that would be how much for each person?
He should throw a really big going away party…
Debbie,
I would hope you, of all people, would see and know that I don’t want to hurt anyone and I don’t like conflict at all and I spoke what was on my heart and what is according to Scripture to do for other members of the Church. Paul lays out how we are to interact with each other. There is no shame in being human and I would hope we all want the best for each other. I am not playing God. I thought I was speaking words of reconciliation for all of us. If you remember I had to humble myself when I took a turn. I asked for forgiveness and I was restored.
In was in the spirit of restoration that I spoke to all because it’s getting to the point where I dread what’s going to be written next in here.
Others come to this blog to hear the current topic and to read and comment on Dr. Brown’s show.
I’m worn out with this. I truly am. I want nothing other than peace between all of us Debbie. I would hope you know that’s true.
Your Sister in Christ, Sheila.
Mubarak has stepped down. The Military High Council has taken over governance until September! Thank you, Lord that this came about without bloodshed today, as that was my earnest prayer last night!
Pray for the people of Egypt.
I miss hearing this show on a regular basis in the States. I’m currently a student in Gaborone, Botswana in Southern Africa….I’m so happy I can access this program on-line!!! Thanks so much!!! You are truly an inspiration!!!
Our Lord Yeshua has taught us to go into all the world and preach the Good News and make disciples of (Him and His Way). We are to follow His Way–His Commandments–and that includes a moral lifestyle.
The United States of America is no longer guided by faith, morality and love, but by secularism, humanism, greed, lust and an entitlement mentality. Many who claim to be followers of Christ live no differently than those who do not. So in this way, the super religious of any culture-especially Islam, claim superiority and justification in their hatred of us.
But, do not be fooled. Islam is oppressive to every culture that it spreads through, especially to women and those who will not submit to its false teachings.
There is only one truth and one way to Salvation–and it is Yeshua–Jesus. We must speak this truth in love, we can tolerate (respect the freedom of will to believe untruths) other beliefs but we cannot agree that they are just another way to God. Nor should we stay silent or look the other way when there is such injustice and ignorance being spread throughout the world, especially the Middle East, but even in our own Country.
There are many who will subject themselves to Islam, because it is so religious and is appealing, when opposed to the undisciplined and chaotic mess that is created by living a life of self-will run riot–but we must not ignore the facts–the overall objectives and teachings of Islam do not promote equality and fair treatment of all and discourage the freedom of a society to challenge injustices done and hidden within religion.
Because of the sins of so-called ‘Christians’ who, like Muslims, forced conversations with torturing, persecution and death–who did not follow the example of our Savior and Lord, who did not follow the His way and the examples of His disciples and Apostles–many in the world have a false understanding of the teaching of our faith. However, we repent of their sins and must lead by example–with radical love, tough love, mercy, compassion and passion–to show the world a what Yeshua teaches, that He lives and moves in us through His Holy Spirit.
The teachings of Jesus were radically unselfish, spiritual, practical, proactive in love and service, to the point of being willing to sacrifice ones life–whether a living sacrifice or unto death–for another–( as opposed to Islam where we see radicals willing to sacrifice themselves to kill others)– where we let our lights shine, especially in the darkness and in the face of criticism, oppression, persecution.
There are thousands of our Christian brothers and sisters in Islamic nations and communist nations that face the severest forms of persecution for their faith in our Lord and for walking in His teachings. This is not fiction, it is fact!
Because of our own failures to walk the walk, as well as talk the talk and to do so in love and courage–we may face such in our own country. Already it is considered politically incorrect to truly share the Gospel, because we understand the Bible as the Word of God, Yeshua the only way and we are considered “Intolerant”. Having the Ten Commandments posted in schools and public places is attacked by ACLU and others as not being a separation of Church and State–which is nonsense–and not in the Constitution, by the way. (We should not encourage people to have only one God (doesn’t particularly specify a name), or encourage people not to swear and use God’s name in vain, or have a holy Sabbath( a day of rest to work on our relationship with our God, or tell people not to kill, commit adultery, or steal, or lie (including gossip), or disrespect our parents (take care of them, too,) or covet after the things of someone else, including spouses. Where would our society be if we promote such behavior!!!?? Don’t tell people to love others as you would love yourself. Why, that is horrible!
We see the demise of our nation because of our lack of walking in our faith and sharing our faith at all cost and now, other ‘religions’ encroach upon our own country to take away the freedoms we treated with malaise and which we abused by refusing to allow our faith to help us walk a disciplined life devoted to our Savior and our God.
We judge not individuals, but we have been given a commission and must act accordingly. It will change the hearts and lives of individuals, and thus entire communities. We are messengers in a lost and dying world. We offer life–eternal life with in Christ. We should not be ashamed of this Gospel–and should understand and feel the full weight of the urgency to share it. Our Lord is returning soon! How many Muslims, pagans, Hindus, etc. will miss out on God’s abundant grace and mercy that is freely offered to all?! Because we are afraid to tell them the truth! Because we are afraid to offend them! Let the many be offended if it means life for those who want to know God, love God and experience His freeing Mercies and abundant blessings.
I know this is a long post, but it is heart felt and I believe spirit led. It goes beyond politics and ‘culture’ clashes. With Yeshua (Jesus) we must pick up our cross daily (die to self daily–die to the world daily–and follow Him–give Him our all–and that means our brothers and sisters, our neighbors and strangers–and with Yeshua it means our enemies, as well. We can’t be salt and light in the world if we blend in and hide in its darkness or fear the ramifications of promoting the Truth of our God and His Salvation.
With love to all who read this post.
May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, Our Father in Heaven and our Savior Richly bless you and give you strength. May he lift you on the wings of eagles, help you to run and not be weary and walk and not faint.
Be of good courage, trust in Him and He will lead you in the paths of Righteousness.
Typo above–conversations–should read conversions.