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  1. Even before I was saved I never cared for contests like Miss America. To me it is just a show for a bunch of ladies to boast on how they look. Strutting their way down the aisle to win recognition from human eyes who gaunt at them. No thanks, not my cup of tea.
    Does not interest me at all. It is like selling yourself.

    Does these events glorify the Lord? Doubt it very much. Is she living by the flesh? I say so. Although it doesn’t mean the Lord can not use her.

    The Lord used Rahab the harlot. The OT hall of fame, in the book of Hebrews 11:1-39

    Hebrew 11:31 By faith the prostitute Rahab, because she welcomed the spies, was not killed with those who were disobedient.

    This reminds me of when I was in high school. You had to walk down the main hall to go to your next class. Then the guys would hang out at the lockers and stare at you and check you out as you walked by them. Its like stop staring. Go read your books or something. 🙂

    Dr. Brown…
    If you read this… I just want to say I’m not sure if I hung up on you. It was a misunderstanding if I did. When I was on the phone with you. You said, “Hold on” maybe because time was running out because a commercial was coming. So, I heard a click sound on the phone. I figured you hung up with me. So I hung up. Then I thought after maybe you were just putting me on hold. Well, sorry if I messed up. I didn’t know Esther had to sleep with the king. So I wouldn’t of been able to answer the question in the full extent. I knew she had to parade herself in front of the king.

  2. I am sort of glad the thing about Esther with the King was brought up. I know the show wasn’t about this specifically but since this was mentioned I am going to ask. Why would God ask that of Esther? I DO NOT mean this in a disrespectful way to God because I understand Who He is and that He sees the bigger picture. It just has always puzzled me because 1. God Himself made sex something sacred and meant it to be between husband and wife and 2. to ask this of a young, godly woman…and with someone she doesn’t even love for that matter… I just dont get it. It is quite possible I am not understanding everything in this story correctly and if so I would like to be set straight. Thanks!

  3. Hi Grace,
    Esther didn’t have a choice to sleep with the king. She and her people were held captive in the Persian Empire.

    King Ahasuerus 1st wife, queen Vashti would not obey her husband the king. So the king wanted a new wife. So the king had all these women prepare themselves for 6 months to look their best and then they were put on displayed before the king. The king then chose the women he wanted. He chose Esther. Esther had no choice but to particpate in all this. But the Lord used Esther to spare the king from killing all the jewish people being held in captivity.

    Your question is why did the Lord allow this to happen. Answer is the same as why do bad things happen to people? The Lord has given people free will. The Lord does not control one’s actions. Free will is given to us. The king was not a Godly man. Esther was a victim. But the Lord turned what was evil into good.

    I hope I helped you. If not read the book of Esther. Its not a long book.

  4. Are there any verses in scripture that would preclude a Christian from walking around in a bikini or a speedo?

  5. 1Ti 2:9

    “likewise also that women should adorn themselves in respectable apparel, with modesty and self-control, not with braided hair and gold or pearls or costly attire, but with what is proper for women who profess godliness—with good works.”

  6. Concerning Ester, I believe that Mordecai answered what may have initially been to her shame when he said to her:

    Ester 4: “For if you remain silent at this time, relief and deliverance for the Jews will arise from another place, but you and your father’s family will perish. And who knows but that you have come to royal position for such a time as this?””

    It would seem that the Lord, once again, took something that was meant for evil and turned it around on the perpetrators, thus, bringing deliverance for His people.

  7. Hi Debbie, thanks for your response. I actually have read Esther many times.(I’ve been saved 15 years) But you know how sometimes you read things and you only read them from a certain angle. That is where I came from when I asked those questions. I just always read it as God divinely positioning her in that place and time for a reason and so she had to do those things. I never really read it from a natural perspective but always had viewed it from a spiritual viewpoint of the divine appointment of Esther. So you did help me out by helping me see it in the natural and thinking about the fact that those things were going to happen anyway.

  8. Today’s topic is very dear to my heart for the following reasons…

    Blessed are the pure in heart: for they shall see God. Matthew 5:8

    There were certain blessings that have been removed from us due to our ever increasing sinful nature, which can be obtained again only if purity and righteousness prevails in the world as a whole. This is what the Bible has declared about us…

    For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23

    But read these next verses… I mean really read them and try to truly grasp the meaning of them!!!

    Acts 3
    19. Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord.
    20. And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you:
    21. Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

    They say concisely what would have taken me many words to express ~ Christ’s Second Coming will NOT happen until the restitution of all things has occurred!

    Look at the definition of ‘restitution’. It means…

    1. reparation made by giving an equivalent or compensation for loss, damage, or injury caused;
    2. the restoration of property or rights previously taken away, conveyed, or surrendered.
    3. restoration to the former or original state or position.
    4. the return to an original physical condition,

    Not only will this world to be returned back to its original “Garden of Eden” like state (Ezekiel 36:34), we all are going to be physically perfected in form and beauty. There will be longevity (Zechariah 8:4 ) as well as multiple generations existing together as it was in the antediluvian era. That WAS our original state, and we are NOT going to get there as long as purity and righteousness does NOT prevail in OUR world!

  9. I don’t believe in rationalising away Kingdom Culture. People say… oh well.. that whole covering up your skin… that’s a Jewish, Muslim, Middle-eastern cultural thing, but us here in the west have a different culture, so as long as you aren’t walking down the street completely naked, whatever is fine. I say we died to our cultures when we got baptised! Our identity is not our culture, our identity is the Messiah and the culture of HIS kingdom. He’s coming back to set it up too, and it’s not going to look like anything western people are familiar or comfortable with! p.s. Yeishua’s default language is Hebrew.

  10. Lust is lust. Whether it be Miss America and her “enticing” lustful displays or the homosexuality she so proudly, in the name of Christianity, is against.

    As far as how we are to conduct ourselves and dress, etc…I don’t understand the problem. Do we or don’t we have the Holy Spirit dwelling within and leading us?

  11. Grace,
    It is amazing on how the Lord is all knowing. He knows everything from the beginning to the end. However, picture yourself as Esther. She had no clue what was going to happen to her and the greatness that she would accomplished. But the Lord knew.

    I have discovered reading scripture I observed the Lord always uses spiritual and physical(natural) meanings in His messages. Food for thought.

    Big Tex,
    There is nothing wrong with folks wearing swimsuits. It is what you do with the swimsuits that causes issues.
    Swimming in them is not the issue.

    Pamela,
    Very good point you made. You made me meditate on Acts 3:19-21. Hmmm.

  12. Big Tex,

    I think the word, “modest” answers to what is respectable. Just picture yourself standing before the Lord and wearing a bikini, or, speedo.

  13. And if your apparel, or, lack there of, causes someone else to stumble, or, to incite lust in another, then is that not sin? We are called to be walking Gospels; we represent the Lord in all things and what we wear should reflect that. When a woman dresses in what would any other day be called underware and is paraded on a stage to be gawked at by millions of people, well, how is that modest and how does that glorify the Lord?

  14. I’m still looking for scripture that would state clearly what modest clothing would entail. The cultures in Africa and the islands wear nothing or next to nothing. Aren’t we just judging things by our culture too? 70 years ago the swimsuits were quite different. Are we just trying to impose our judgments of modesty on others? Is there something concrete in the scripture that we can point to that will solve the subjectiveness here?

  15. The human body was designed partly for the procreation of the species; ergo, it is in our DNA to find a healthy, well-proportioned body erotic.

    Having said that, believers who are trying to live by higher moral standards should cover up so as not to arouse those erotic feelings which are natural and normal.

    The de-covering and the titillating now-you-see-it-now-you-don’t aspect of swimwear as it is currently available even at your local Wal-Mart is definitely about being “sexy.” Is being “sexy” part of the Christian walk? I’m not talking about normal, heterosexual relations between espoused partners in private, but just seeking to “look sexy” in public.

    Sex of course is nothing new, but what is new is the normalizing of it in our society. I like watching design shows on tv, but the most-often repeated term by the fashion judges was that the garment looked “sexy” — even causing one contestant to produce outerwear that basically resembled women’s underwear only of heavier material. She won the competition because she gave the judges what they wanted. These “top designers” produce the looks that ignite the runways from Paris, London, and New York and from which endless copycats are mass-produced. I hope women will go back to sewing their own clothes rather than feel they must select from garments designed to make them appear “sexier” to men in public. Isn’t it exhibitionistic to want to arouse total strangers?

    What’s wrong with that? I don’t believe the Holy Spirit inclines us to live for the gratification of the flesh. Sex belongs in the privacy of a room behind closed doors between two people (male and female) who love one another and are deeply committed to maintaining the boundaries of that relationship before the LORD.

  16. Just want to add that

    Women fall into the trap of placing men before God because that is what they are trained to do in our society. If they find “prince charming” all will turn out “happily ever after.” If she is a beautiful princess, she will find her prince.

    They want to find the “perfect” mate and they notice that men are very focused on the outward appearance. I remember seeing a show by the man who wrote the book,”He’s Just Not That Into You” where he said that men don’t ever want to admit this to women, but they can’t really even care about a woman’s thoughts if they aren’t interested in her appearance. This wasn’t really a shock to me, but women in general aren’t looking at men in quite the same way. Sure, women are also attracted by the physical appearance, but they are very interested in a man’s thoughts. What will mostly repulse women about a man usually has to do with his character, not his looks. He may not be very “handsome” but if he has a beautiful, God-fearing, God-loving soul, is honest, responsible and ethical, that will be attractive. He may be handsome, but if he is selfish, materialistic, and cruel, his looks will actually suffer.

    Am I generalizing too much?

    It seems to me that because women recognize that men give their attention to physical attributes before inner ones, they misplace their focus there, too. Ultimately, they will often come to the realization that a man cannot satisfy their innate hunger for God, and that men placed on pedestals sometimes turn into tyrants. Men and women don’t belong in the position that God deserves, but so many of the romantic songs on the radio border on idolizing the partner.

  17. Big Tex, I just read your question to me. Is there any Scripture which solidly defines how much covering up we should do?

    I haven’t read anything yet which gives hemlengths or neckline depths, so I think we’re to use common sense and discretion.

    Knowing the human proclivity to imagine what’s not completely visible, body-hugging materials should be carefully examined in light of that tendency. I do think that when someone sees decolletage, or a plunging neckline, that does not stimulate holy thoughts, but carnal ones. So basically, if the garment is inviting carnal thoughts, it’s immodest, would by my take.

    We have principles in Scripture (Sheila cited some above) which point to modesty, but don’t get really specific. I think the closest specification we may have is over wearing the blue-threaded fringe at the corners of the garment mentioned in Numbers, and if you’ll recall, that was for the purpose of reminding one not to walk in their own way, but in God’s way.

    I saw a man wearing these (called tzitzit today) in a video, attached to the corners of his short vest and worn over his jeans, and frankly, that dangling of the fringe around the groin area was not modest. Not that I wanted to look there, but my eye kept being drawn there because the fringe was so high up and it swayed with every move he made. I think the point of modesty is not to call undue attention to the sexual members, or to those which are simply considered erogenous. Those areas are to be discovered in their proper context. Causing someone to discover them outside of that context is immodest, yes?

  18. Men are stimulated by sight. This is why Jesus told the men of His day, “whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart” (Matthew 5:28). Men are stimulated by sight.

    In I Cor 6:20, the Bible says, “For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God’s.” We serve God with our body as well as our spirit, and this includes the way we dress.

    Big Tex,
    The Bible does not contain a formal dress code.

  19. Big Tex,

    Any cultural customs that conflict with the standards we are guided by in our devotion to the Lord should be readily discerned in having our consciences pricked and would result in our conviction by the Holy Spirit when walking contrary to what is holy. There are many instances in the NT of what is proper and becoming of Christians who profess Christ, and to our having been called to be holy and to purify ourselves in thought, word and deed. That would definitely include how we dress. To be “in the world, but, not ‘of’ the world” is part of our calling. Of course there are various cultural differences between citizens of different nations, but, the standards for those professing to be part of the Church of Christ, has not changed in 2000 years. We are called to be a people set apart in Him. Our speech, our actions, our deeds and the way we dress should all reflect this. When you accept Christ, you put off the old man and wear the new no matter what the cultural “norms” may be; wherever we live, in whatever nation, we are still representing Him and the standard of our conduct should reflect that. Is there not also an element of vanity in women who parade themselves before others to be seen of them? Are they not, in essense, glorying in their bodies and outward appearance? Here are some scriptural evidences that may help you:

    Phl 4:5 Let your gentleness be evident to all. The Lord is near. Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus.

    Phl 4:8 Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable—if anything is excellent or praiseworthy—think about such things.

    Phl 4:9 Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me—put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.

    Phl. 4:8
    1) exciting reverence, venerable, sacred
    2) pure
    a) pure from carnality, chaste, modest
    b) pure from every fault, immaculate
    c) clean

    Although the following verse speaks of wives it can applied to all women of faith.

    1Ti 3:11 In the same way, their wives are to be women worthy of respect, not malicious talkers but temperate and trustworthy in everything.

    1) august, venerable, reverend
    2) to be venerated for character, honourable
    a) of persons
    b) of deeds

    Tts 2:1 You must teach what is in accord with sound doctrine. Teach the older men to be temperate, worthy of respect, self‑controlled, and sound in faith, in love and in endurance. Likewise, teach the older women to be reverent in the way they live, not to be slanderers or addicted to much wine, but to teach what is good. Then they can train the younger women to love their husbands and children,
    Tts 2:5 to be self‑controlled and pure, to be busy at home, to be kind, and to be subject to their husbands, so that no one will malign the word of God.
    Tts 2:6 Similarly, encourage the young men to be self‑controlled.
    Tts 2:7 In everything set them an example by doing what is good. In your teaching show integrity, seriousness
    Tts 2:8 and soundness of speech that cannot be condemned, so that those who oppose you may be ashamed because they have nothing bad to say about us.

    1Th 4:3 It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; 1Th 4:4 that each of you should learn to control his own body in a way that is holy and honorable, 1Th 4:7 For God did not call us to be impure, but to live a holy life.

    And the way we dress would reflect these character traits, or, not. Are we dressing to be seen of men and to turn heads? That would not be honorable.

  20. If there are no hard fast rules, what is wrong with just going along with the cultural situation around us? Common sense is tied quite solidly to culture. How can we condemn a cultural standard if the believers of that culture are in step and see little to nothing wrong with it? Believers wear swimsuits to beaches and other public places. The culture was different 2 generations ago and believers were basically in step then too. Are you advocating fundamentalist legalism in this modesty issue? It would seem that there has to be something in scripture that is more conclusive if we are going to make any sort of issue out of it, to me.

    What about Acts 17 where Paul gives the various nations leeway to develop service to the Creator by their own expressions of culture? Is dress any different than this? Can’t it be that someone will stumble not matter what is worn? Why should we bow to a fundamentalist standard just because some are perverts? Will we throw out Greek statues or dress them when they are displayed in public places? Was Michelangelo a depraved artist that just happened to work for a depraved church when he painted and sculpted his master pieces?

  21. Sheila,

    If the standard has not changed in 2000 years, would you want all women to wear head coverings and garments from ankle to neck to wrist?

  22. If our human nature wasn’t weak, it wouldn’t be an issue, BT.

    When God instructed the Israelites, people had no boundaries — in the common world culture, they were having sex with near relations (mothers, fathers, aunts, uncles, etc.) and even animals…

    God set up the boundaries.

    It’s still in our human nature to say, “But what’s wrong with (X); it gives pleasure.” Knowledge of God’s Laws, as Paul pointed out, makes us aware of what is “sin” and sometimes even makes the forbidden aspect more compelling.

    So much for human nature. If we gauge everything by that, we will rationalize whatever we want to do, whatever pleases our flesh.

    But: there IS a God, and if we want to conform to His standards, we have to subdue our flesh, not merely outwardly, but inwardly, having the mind of Christ. The mind of Christ does not desire what the flesh does — so there is a tension there. His Spirit is stronger, so if we give Him free rein, He overcomes that wayward nature.

    By the way, I just read Acts 17 again, Big Tex, and don’t see where there is anything about “where Paul gives the various nations leeway to develop service to the Creator by their own expressions of culture”….could you specify? Over –

  23. Big Tex,
    I see your point.

    For me personally I just don’t see the point of Beauty Pageants.
    In my daily devotional today it read this…

    Proverbs 8:13 To fear the LORD is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance,
    evil behavior and perverse speech.

    I just figured out why I have a negative vibe about beauty pageants. It is the pride and arrogance of it. Wow, thank you Lord.

  24. I just thought of Acts 15 and 21. The 4 things for gentile believers do not include a dress code. So are not we just imposing our own standards if we go beyond the 4 things for gentiles to obey? As far as Acts 17, when I was reading the Christmas debate, I think Jabez mentioned it in regards to cultures developing their own modes of worship. Isn’t there freedom in cultural dress also? Many believers do not think that it is the mind of Christ to not wear swimsuits, low necklines, short skirts, topless men and such. How can we know if these things are truly scriptural modesty and not just our puritan roots sprouting new shoots?

  25. 1Jo 2:15 Do not love the world or anything in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

    1Jo 2:16 For everything in the world—the cravings of sinful man, the lust of his eyes and the boasting of what he has and does—comes not from the Father but from the world.

  26. Just for the record here. I can care less what people wear. Its the motive behind it that bugs me.

    Food for thought. The Lord sees us naked all the time. He is not ashamed of how He made us.

    Again, it is what we do with what He gave us.

  27. We live in our own cultures and we know, within that culture, what is provocative of lust and what isn’t.

    We also share a world culture, now that the internet is making us aware of one another from far-flung regions. As we become more and more the global citizen, we simply sense what is appropriate within not only our own culture, but the world’s in general. Now that the light of the Gospel is penetrating throughout the world, we do see a certain uniformity among believers, true.

    Exposure of, for example, the breasts, of women within certain remote tribes in Africa does not equate with exposure of the breasts in our western culture, true. They simply don’t view it as it is viewed in the west.

    Paul was trying to reach the Pagan Greeks in Acts 17, and he saw an opening in their memorial “to the Unknown God.” He wanted to teach them about this God who was unknown to them, and found that the perfect segue. In attempting to reach them, would he have taught that they could worship Zeus, calling the “God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob” by any name they knew? Wouldn’t Paul have taught them about the same God we know today? Was Paul trying to blend God into their culture (saying, as the Romans did, you can call him Zeus, but we call him Jupiter, and it’s all the same)? Because Zeus and Jupiter were Pagan gods, not Paul’s God, not YHWH. So one might ask, “well, then, aren’t you trying to impose your culture and religious beliefs on the world?” Share — not impose — and hope that the rooting of the Seed will grow and produce fruit with seed, yes. Sharing because of firm conviction that it is right, and that He is the only true God. “But that’s cultural arrogance” one might say. That’s what they say, yes. Paul was willing to go into an area which embraced homosexuality and pederasty, whose gods and goddesses were passionate, lustful, capricious and dishonest, and teach them about another way altogether. He didn’t try to rename the God of Israel and reform His ways into theirs.

  28. The issue of modesty is always going to involve some subjectivity since there is no dress code in Scipture. However, there is a principle in Genesis where God makes coverings for Adam & Eve so from this we can say it’s not right to go around naked like with some African tribe or something. So I reject the suggestion that modesty is only a cultural thing. God fearing people cover up, whilst the godless get around half dressed. In most aspects, the culture in Western nations today is more depraved than it was in the past when dress standards were more modest. In terms of modesty, should not Christians demonstrate a higher standard than the world?

    See this link for a contrast with the attitude that modelling is OK for Christians:
    http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/former-top-model-contestant-i-stopped-modelling-to-save-my-soul

  29. “Many believers do not think that it is the mind of Christ to not wear swimsuits, low necklines, short skirts, topless men and such.” – Big Tex

    Do you think bikinis are sexy or do you think they’re modest?

  30. I left a church (was born into it) with a dress code which was rooted in its founding in 1897, when women wore elaborate buns and black stockings. The leaders wouldn’t change with the times. The changes in fashion were seen as “shocking”. Members left, old leaders died off and eventually new leaders came aboard and said “gunmetal grey” was okay in stockings, as well as variations of taupe. No “flesh tones” were allowed, however. Women’s hair still had to be long and piled on the head because hair was not to be a covering for “the back” but “the head”! Hemlines were decreed by the leaders to be “one hymnbook length above the floor.” As the world turned and fashions became more revealing, these folks really stuck out, calling ever more attention to themselves. It’s not like they lived in isolated communities among only their own. They were out and about in the everyday world. The men pretty much styled themselves like other men, though, with shirt and tie and short hair. But for the women, this became quite a stress. Not only could members not have a tv, radio, stereo – worldly music – women had to keep wearing the bun and even women’s slacks were forbidden as an example of “dressing with that which pertains to a man.” Women with thick hair complained to no avail as hairpins drove bald patches into their scalps. To this day, if you cut your hair and wear it loose, you are “out.” Because they were also exclusivistic, you were really “out” – as in forever – in their skewed view.

    The emphasis on all these rules was so relentless, you’d think one’s very salvation depended upon it. In fact, to this sect, it did. Now that’s legalism!

    We have principles of modesty in the Bible and few specifics, and I think that is a good thing. It keeps us flexible, allows for creativity, and helps us place our focus on what matters most.

    In principle, clothing should not become a distraction away from godliness, neither for ourselves nor for those who see us. Bikini’s? Be serious – it’s obvious how they evolved – from an ever-expanding libertine mentality. But whatever is in fashion is what’s available in stores, and if you want something different, you either have to make it yourself or search long and hard until you find a manufacturer who does. Because of their ubiquity, they’ve become more and more “acceptable” in the mainstream only as people become inured to them.

    I love the mentions of the Garden of Eden, when Adam and Eve were “naked and unashamed” and how the Lord saw that what He had made was good. How wonderful is the promise of a new heaven and a new earth. To be like the angels? No obedient angels ever tempted man or sought to mingle their seed with humankind.

  31. OK, some cultures approve of bare breasts in public. Some cultures approve of such only on beaches. Some do not approve of such things at all. Which is correct? Is there anything in scripture that would be some sort of standard setting statement? Is it just a culturally relative thing? If it is important, there should be something to stand firmly upon, so that we can say assuredly what is right and wrong. If there is nothing in scripture that we can base right and wrong on in this matter, then don’t we need to be silent where scripture is silent? What right do we have of imposing our morality upon others if there is no divine authority behind our ideas? Are we to preach cultural morality, instead of Biblical morality? Are bare chests, legs, and buttocks only wrong because of our subjective and collective ideas?

  32. Is there even anything in scripture that would say for sure that covering genitals is mandatory? There have been many cultures that went about pretty much totally naked. Are we able to condemn those sort of practices, if we have no divine word from above? Are we not all legalists in some sense of the word? Even if there is a scriptural mandate and it is not a salvation issue, do we have the right to insist that others follow that mandate? What about the 4 things only for the gentiles? Can we say that there are more than 4 without apostolic injunction?

  33. Neither does scripture say explicitly that it is wrong to beat someone senseless, so, are you saying because there is no verse with these exact words in it that it is not something we should understand as true in light of every other admonition to be holy?

  34. I do not care about exact words. How do we know what holy means? Is there any definition in scripture? How do we know if bare chests are holy or not? I am not advocating one way or the other. I just want a solid basis before I declare something to be right or wrong. Is there any solid basis? Is it all ambiguous? Is culture our only basis? Do we just take some man’s word on it? Which man? How do we know if the folks in New Guinea are fine running around naked or not? Have we based out ideas on scripture or on tradition?

  35. Help! Are there any Bible scholars out there that can give us a basis for our ideas about how much skin is too much skin?

  36. I would have to say our basis for deciding would not be cultural, but, it would be based on what Scripture says. Cultural “norms” change over time, but, the word of God does not. Do you have a Concordance or a Topical Biblical Dictionary? You could do a word search for every instance of holy, or, righteousness and faithful and like words and ideals. That should get you started as far as interpreting what it means to walk in accordance with the Spirit, allowing Him to guide you into what is true.

  37. That is a good idea, but I would have thought that there would have been references on the tip of everyone’s tongues that would back up their stances on bare skin. I was hoping for a relatively cut and dry passage or two or three or four… If it is that important there should be verses that say something direct. Am I wrong on this?

  38. OK, the scripture does not change over time. I can handle that. If it was wrong for Elijah and John the baptist, it probably is for us. So what did they say about it? Where did they get their ideas? Do any people’s cultural norms reflect Biblical truth on this, or is it just all relative? If we get used to bare chests, can we all run around that way, as the weather permits?

  39. I gave you some verses that speak to these things. If you truly want verification for yourself, you should search for it in the Scriptures–it’s a blueprint for life.

  40. OK, how do we know that skin showing is of the world? If it is, how much is too much? Is it worldly to go swimming? Is it worldly to show our knees? Elbows? Necks? It just sounds like everyone wants to insist that what they think or feel is the right way, without any solid Biblical statements. Isn’t there anything in the Bible about what we are to wear or not wear?

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