1. Question of Noahic Scripture: “Uncovered his father’s nakedness…” isn’t it a term used in the Law for someone who has sexual relations? That a son who sleeps with his father’s wife “uncovers his father’s nakedness”?

  2. I think you’ve got it Daniel. It is interesting that Canaan gets cursed instead of Ham. This could indicate that he was an illegitimate son. If Noah had already blessed Ham it might have been impossible for Noah to change what he had set in motion. It might be that Noah was a man of his word and would not. This is the OT version of let your yea be yea and your nay, nay. A man that swears to his own hurt and sticks to it is esteemed in scripture.

    This kind of “unchanging blessing” happened with Jacob and Isaac. Isaac had already blessed him and couldn’t take it back…”yea, and he shall be blessed.”(Gen. 27:33) There is also a precedent set that whoever blesses Israel will be blessed and whoever curses them will be cursed.(Gen. 12:3) YHWH keeps his word.(Mal. 3:6) The same can be seen in the 7th day being blessed.(Gen. 2:3) There is no indication that that blessing can be taken away or given to another day.

    Reuben lost his birthright because of “going up to his father’s couch.” Probably because the blessing had not been previously given to him.(Gen. 49:4) In a sense, he despised his birthright, just like Esau.(Heb.12:6)

    So Ham and Noah’s wife, by committing this act, had placed his offspring in a situation of dishonor and cursing. I am not saying that Noah should have cursed Canaan. A fathers words can have a huge impact on the future.

    Also note that bastards were not allowed into the congregation for 10 generations.(Deut. 23:2) What kind of reputation would that give the man that wouldn’t control his lust. His family would continue to be dishonored for a long time.

    We know that anyone that uncovers his fathers nakedness is cursed…not necessarily by his father, but brings them upon himself. (Lev. 18:8; Deut. 27:20)


  3. Moab and Ammon…

    Deuteronomy 23
    3 An Ammonite or Moabite shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to their tenth generation shall they not enter into the congregation of the LORD for ever:


  4. Not necessarily. 1) We do not know if Ruth entered the congregation.
    2)It could be that a woman married to an Israelite, was now considered an Israelite.
    3)It seems that Jesse’s blood line was not counted as Moabite but Israelite.
    4)It may be that, when one joins Israel, they are no longer considered gentiles. Paul says this in Ephesians 2. Once she was grafted into Israel she is a partaker of the covenants of promise.
    5)The restriction also may be referring only to the men. The wife and daughter are in a protected place under the man.
    6)10 generations could mean from the time that the statute was given at the time of Moses, not from the time that any specific Moabite’s offspring stop marrying other Moabites. Depending on how many successive births there had been from then till Ruth, the curse/statute of limitations could have run out.


  5. I was trying to figure out what topic discussion to put this message. Then I notice DOES GOD LOVE THE WHOLE WORLD. This message will fit into that category,

    God owes you nothing. We are His instrument. We think that God is suppose to serve us, that we can use God whenever we choose. That God is just the icing of the cake in our lives and that He can help us when we need Him too. That thinking is a false religion, that is idolatry. We become the center and God is the pawn. The reality is God is the center and we are the pawn in His life. A pawn He loves. He wants to use us in fantastic ways. This is God’s planet not mine.

    Acts 17:26-27 26 From one man he made all the nations, that they should inhabit the whole earth; and he marked out their appointed times in history and the boundaries of their lands.27 God did this so that they would seek him and perhaps reach out for him and find him, though he is not far from any one of us.

    He determined when we will be born, how we look , our liabilties, our assets. He has determined all of that. God says this is how I made you to be, stop resisting, and learn I can use you just as you are in an amazing way but you are going to have to trust in God and He knows what He is doing. God has made you for His purpose for the lifes that are around you. The life you live is suppose to be a blessing to those who are around you. It is not our lives it is God’s life. Everything we have is His. Everything. So stop fighting God, Just say to God what do you want me to do with everything you have given me?

    The story of Esther is a great example of how the Lord uses people for His glory.

    Not my will be done, but yours Oh Lord. God have your way in me.

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