“The October wave is actually part of the enormous 1972-73 flap and is following to the letter the patterns of the previous waves. I expect the greatest peak to occur in March-April 1974. When that subsides we will hear very little about UFOs until 1978-79. However, the next really significant wave will not take place until about 1984. By that time a complete and rational explanation of the phenomenon will be common knowledge, and the whole delightful extraterrestrial concept will be a thing of the past.”
Those who are children of God are led by the spirit of God.
Jesus said my sheep know my voice.
Ruth…Do you know Jesus??? Do you know His heart? Jesus said if you see me you see the Father. Jesus came to earth to save us from going to hell. He did not once say from His mouth that UFOs sighting were part of His plans for His children. Jesus is full of Love and compassion, mercy and grace. What does UFO sightings have to do with Jesus? Tell me.
You need to ask the Lord for His wisdom. Do not let your pride deceive you.
The Lord did not ordain UFO activities. Am I the only born again Christian on this site that knows this? Pretty scary thought. Wow!
I know Jesus. I know Him. I love the Lord and He speaks the truth to His children. Satan is the Father of lies. I asked the Lord about UFO sightings…He spoke in my spirit…That is not my heart.
I said what I need to say on this subject. Its our job as Christians to help others when they are being misled. I did my job. My hands are clean on this matter.
May the Lord shine His love and joy upon you Ruth and all who read this post.
PS To be 100% honest with you. I really have no clue on who John Keel is. I just copied and pasted his comment.
DR Brown….
How do you handle all this debating without your emotions getting caught up in the rejection of the truth?
Lord help us.
Debbie, Debbie, Debbie. All I’m saying is don’t presume personally that you can know everything about extra-ordinary phenomena from reading a few men’s opinions, whether they be famous writers, researchers, or whatever. People are people and none make perfect assessments.
Sometimes the people who would most love to study a phenomena like unidentified flight craft and who are well-qualified to do so (such as Carl Sagan) are never afforded the opportunity to even glimpse one. The wisest humans will acknowledge the deficiencies of their perspicaciousness and be careful of advancing any denunciations.
Suffice it to say, the Lord, however, knows everything. He will judge all things, and there is nothing that is unknown to Him, anywhere. The most important thing for us to be really certain of is that it’s the Lord’s voice we are actually listening to, and not our own (or worse), and that we rest in the knowledge that He is in control, and He alone is judge. Judgmentalist attitudes have been the plague of the church for centuries, and have never served the cause of Christ. Right discernment, yes, presumptuousness, no. And zeal — zeal is excellent when it’s coupled with wisdom.
Yes, I do think you’ve rushed to judgment here by your blanket acceptance that supernatural phenomenon is always of the devil. (Neel thought there were “good and bad guys”, btw.)
I don’t sense that you can be convinced of that…so be that as it is. I believe we’ll get all our answers in the end (which is really the beginning!)
Thank you for asking a blessing for me. If you doubt my relationship to Jesus, Debbie, feel free to pray for me. I’ll appreciate any prayers, any time. And may the Lord bless you also.
WAKE UP SHEEPLE… Emminent disclosure of aliens is coming very soon. The UN just appointed a special envoy to greet aliens and the Vatican announced it now believes in alien life and would love to bapatize E.T. And there seems to be a new ufo over Chinese airports every day.
Cant any of you see that this whole thing is organized and millions of christians are going to lose their faith in a single moment. The aliens are going to tell us that if we dont want to destroy ourselves we need to come together as one economically and religiously which is exactly what the globalist NEW WORLD ORDER eletist oligarchy wants. It will perhaps be “the great falling away & strong delusion” Gods going to send to a christianity that has form but no substance ……my 2 cents
For all the Zecharia Sitchin enthusiasts out there, I found this persuasive:
Have you ever considered the possibility that some interdimentional craft could be God’s emmissaries, or used by God’s angels? I know on reading Dr. Heiser’s various writings, that he doesn’t see “why” they would need to use craft of any sort, but, my position is that they could use whatever they needed to get the job done when interacting with, or, crossing into our physical, material realm. I ran across some videos weeks ago while I was looking into Dr. Heiser’s views on these ufo’s from a Christian perspective. They are presented by Christians who are knowledgeable in the UFO field. Dr. Michael Heiser gave his presentation on this sight. This is the website: thestrongdelusion.com/index.php?option=com…id… There are, I think, four, or so, videos presented at this conference. Another is the Ancient of Days Conference at: “Ancient of Days UFO and Abduction Conference Panel Discussion” I found it on Google Videos. Also, you may want to explore another of Dr. Heiser’s sites at: michaelheiser.com/UFOReligions/category/ufo-sightings/page/2/
He says some very interesting things after an interview with Rich Dolan under “thestrongdelusion” site. Don’t be put off by the strange, new age look to the website. The witnesses and their various views are credible.
The reason I believe some of these are the Lord’s emmissaries is because these “other worldly craft”, for lack of a better description, have been seen over nuclear missile silos and bases, as is outlined by the numerous military officers who have unveiled this truth during the National Press Club interviews. Anyone can view it on youtube under the heading: “Disclosure Conference, National Press Club 27 Sept 2010” According to the Book of Enoch, angels can take whatever form they wish. Enoch’s writings were well known by the Apostles, as is attested to by their writings in the New Testament, and that they are described as capable of some “all conceivable lying wonders”. Could it be, as Satan is forever “apeing” God, that those under his command are still in the same business, and that some of these that are carrying out their own agenda, are, in fact, “apeing” the true emmisaries of God? Meaning that, there are “both” those working for God and those working for our adversary? I consider this a more than casual option.
In the Book of Isaiah, the Lord says, “No weapon formed against you, (meaning the nation of Israel), shall prosper.” Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, says the LORD.” When the Lord says, “No Weapon”, I believe Him! So, these nuclear missles being rendered useless by unidentified flying objects takes on new significance.
Now, then, in the “big picture”, which is something I consider often, especially when God gave me particular experiences for a reason; not believing something as significant as viewing one of these interdimentional craft is a “coincidence”, I spent many years searching out what it is He wants me to do with this information and reality. This is what I was led to. We all know that as soon as Iran, or, God forbid, any of the radical, blood thirsty terrorists get their hands on a nuclear weapon, they will try to use it against Israel as soon as possible. Not to mention the desire to use them against “Big Satan”, meaning the U.S.. So, I’m thinking that these craft, being observed over sensitive nuclear bases, are telling us, that “we”, whoever it is guiding these interdimentional craft, can take these missiles off line, or, render them useless, whenever they are instructed to do so. And so, it leads me to trust that God’s will is the only determining factor in the long run. If they are meant to succeed, they will, but, I believe now is the time that God will fulfill his promises and He will “turn them back on their own heads.” Not that I want to see it come to that, but, it makes you wonder about the plague described in Zech. Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. It sounds very much like the nuclear, or, chemical effects of our modern weapons.
And, perhaps, the “battle” being fought by the angels who are over the various nations and are at war in the spiritual realm, is being manifested as “somewhat” material, as we move closer to the end of days. Demons apparently interact as “spirits”, and I suppose the angels of God could operate in any way He uses them. Could not these be part of the “signs” from heaven? We have certainly moved into the passages of, “the waves and the seas roaring” and the “earthquakes in numerous and varying places.” And, without doubt, the time draws near.
So, I placed myself at the Lord’s disposal years ago and am aided in my studies to fit the reality of what I saw into the reality of God’s will being accomplished in “all” things both in heaven and on earth, not to mention, the “firmament” surrounding the earth. This is the “covering cherub’s” abode. I firmly believe there is absolutely “nothing” that happens outside of God’s knowledge. Even His wrath is brought about by angels who are commissioned in carrying it out. So, if you are weak in faith, or, do not trust God in all things, do not read any further. I’m serious. You won’t understand my reasoning.
I will say, that I did consider that the overwhelming increase in this aerial phenomenon, could, at the same time, be a part of the “all conceivable lying wonders” spoken of in the New Testament and that even some of the elect will be fooled. It also reads, “if that were possible”. I’m thinking that means those of us who are elect, will not be fooled. And I went even further in my studies of this phenomenon, in asking myself, “If , in fact, ‘all nations’ does (if only in this instance) mean all nations, how in the world could all nations be gathered together to fight against the Lord from heaven?” Obviously, He is going to return from Heaven, with a host of holy ones, just as He said. And He also said, “Then shall you “see” the sign of the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn.” It sounds obvious to me that it will be something very visible to “everyone”, “everywhere” that He is on His way. We are to lift up our heads and rejoice, for we know our redemption is drawing near, but, others will enter into the caves of the earth and hope they are hid from Him. Government bunkers anyone?
I didn’t hear the address made by President Reagan at the United Nations in September, 1987 until years after he made it. This is what Reagan said in an “earlier” transcript from the White House, while entertaining Gorbachev: “how easy his task and mine might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a threat to this world from some other species from another planet outside in the universe. We’d forget all the little local differences that we have between our countries” And while Reagan’s remark at the UN has similar language, it ends a bit differently, with him saying that “war” is the common enemy. This is what he said:
“in our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask, is not an alien force already among us?” “What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war?”
It’s rather clear that he was speaking of the “universal threat” as an “alien threat from outside this world”, as he said. And while I am not usually in the conspiracy theorists camp, I do wonder about his alzheimers disease. You’ll have to read Dr. Heiser’s book, “The Facade”, to understand the veiled connection. Reagan was the chief proponent of our “stars wars” program. Coincidence? The star wars program is quite earthbound; residing not in space, but on terra firma. Perhaps you’ve heard of HAARP? Or, maybe you’ve been able to view some of NASA’s video footage available on youtube? You can clearly see an earth based, somewhat laser- looking streak being fired into space, with an unidentified flying object evading it. In fact, the object moves away even before the laser leaves the ground. Fasinating.
So, does our government military complex think in spiritual terms? I would say as a whole, no. There may be a few who entertain the possibility that these are not “extraterrestial” but, “extra-dimentional” as the military, for the most part, tends to deal in real time and in the substantial, not in the supernatural. How many Biblical scholars do you suppose the military employs, if any? And while Dr. Heiser has put forth the hyposthesis that our military could be the manufacturer of a “visual” deception, somehow “projecting” the image of these onto the face of our “firmament”, so to speak, I hope and pray they wouldn’t go that far! I think he is proceeding along the lines of their ruse being the catalyst that would compel all nations to gather as one entity for economic and social consolidation of resources, thus “using” the common enemy that Reagan almost named, as the reason for the New Global Initiative. That is a possiblity. That would, in my mind, bring about another complex, possible senario. And that could be the reason for filtering their contrived images of these a bit at a time, as they say, “so as not to alarm the public.” The only problem I have is that I don’t believe for a minute that they are contrived.
However, if that is “not” the platform that they are operating from, then, consider whether they “do” believe they come from another solar system, regardless of the fact that no physicist can explain “how” they are able to do so. Enter the “wormhole” theory… I’ve dismissed that as an option.
If, in truth, they know they are “not” ours, or, any other nations and that they “do not” travel from another star system to ours, then, they are faced with the reality that the entire Bible is “true”; the interdimentional aspect of them being an affirmation of God’s existence, together with a spirit realm and that “that” is the truth they are not willing to disclose! That Christians would be alarmed by the thought that “only” demons were the ones flitting in and out of our “material world” is more than a viable concern. Christians should be prepared and willing to trust God emphatically! So, we could be looking at a simultaneous double cross. The government wants us to think that they are magically projecting them, when in fact, they “know” they are real. And that all the governments know that they are real and all have experienced “incidents” at their own nuclear facilities and none of them want to admit that they are helpless against them. They don’t control them, they can’t manufacture them, and they have no defense against them. Because, would not that mean that we are “all” at the mercy of them? Or, at the least, that is what “they” want us to believe. I am under the mercy of God, and fear is no longer in my vocabulary other than that I fear God and so have turned from my life of rebellion against Him.
It seems there are numerous, varied, and complex possible senarios. I’ve not yet mentioned the most profound theory concerning our visitors. They are not visitors at all, but, share the earth with us. They live in the “abyss” of the ocean where they have bases set up in depths that we can’t penetrate. Or can we? We, of course, are the primitive species, having evolved, with their help, from Apes; but, we are now considered a “threat” to ourselves and by extention, to them. They, the other species sharing our planet, are going to help us because, one, now that we have the capacity to not only destroy ourselves, but, them along with us, that they have no choice but to intervene. Or, two, there is, yet, “another” species of ET’s who do not favor our warlord habits and we should not be allowed to continue down our current path. So, it’s possible, that they will claim to be our “brothers-in-arms” to “repel” the real threat of the “other” ET”s, or, they will profess to being our saving grace, only trying to help move us along in the right direction…after all, we’re all in this together..”we’re your older brothers”… The Ufonauts, they say, are nothing more than the ancient “gods” of old, the Jupiters and Appolos and Aphrodites of yonder folk lore. Only they weren’t myths, they were real, but, we “mistook” them as gods because of their ability to fly around and that they were, in fact, gigantic in stature, which is historically true according to the writings about these “myths”. We (the people of the Book) know they were real because our Bible tells us they were real, that they were the “men of old, men of renown”, they were the sons of God who defiled themselves and mankind by leaving their heavenly abode as our caretakers and intervening where they had no business intervening.
Now, you may think I’m way out in left field, or, worse, just out of some looney toon institution, but, there are persons within the UFO community who have used the Bible to “prove”, if only to themselves, that Jesus even referred to these entities. I kid you not! Not understanding that the Lord was speaking about “bringing others, not of this fold”, as meaning, “Gentiles”, they claim He was speaking about the ET”s!! Hello…you need to study the Book… I don’t believe the Lord would have left out something as important as, “You know, out of all the life I created on all those other planets, you earthlings are the only ones who disobeyed Me and needed a Savior.” It doesn’t work. No how, no way. Did God also leave them His word, and give them prophets, and laws, and have everything point to their ultimate salvation by way of Jesus of Nazareth? If they would have us believe that these “evolved” beings are sharing this earth with us, they must be under the same curse. So, if “they” claim to be from here, ask them if they are Jews or Gentiles!
Are the rest of you thoroughly astounded yet? I do understand the difficulty and possible anxiety for some of you in trying to absorb all of this. That’s why I didn’t include all of my thoughts or all that I’ve learned about this phenomenon at this time. I’ve been decades studying this from every angle and in the last, going on six years now, I’ve had the Lord looking over my shoulder. I basically let the Holy Spirt guide me where He wanted me to go. The Lord has completely removed from me any and all fear involved in looking into this. I could only have made it this far knowing He was with me, helping me to sort it out; asking the right questions of Him and waiting on Him to disclose what I am to do with what I’ve learned. It was at first, a frightful journey, partly because those opposed to His truth do not want it shared with others. I spent many a night and day, praying for His direction and protection and trusting Him to reveal the right time for me to speak up and to share the truth of what I saw and what I’ve learned from every point of view out there. And, as you can better understand now, (I hope), there are a lot of theories out there! I trust the Lord emphatically and without doubting anything. Psa 28:7 “The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusts in Him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoices; and with my song I will praise Him.”
How would the truth of any one of these revelations being correct affect the members of the Body of Christ? The only concern we should be aware of is that they are not “all” demons. There is a war going on in the heavens, but, we know how it ends regardless of all the players involved. All I can offer you is to never, under any circumstances loose your faith in our Lord and Savior. Never doubt that the Lord is working for us, and so who can be against us? Be still and know that He is God.
And Hamlet was correct: “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” Or, in this case, in our religion.
I would like to thank the Lord for my husband, who never wavered in believing me and who supported my studies all these years and to thank my family members, some who shared in the witness of seeing what I saw and as Christians too, are approaching it from the truth that God knows what they are, and so, they have encouraged me to speak the truth and not to worry what others may think, as we all only answer to the Lord. And I have to thank those brave Christians, Dr. Heiser and Ruth, and the others who dared to tread where so few of us go; suffering the ridicule and blatant animosity that going public with the truth brings with it. I’ve thoroughly outed myself on the UFO issue. So, once more, knowing full well the repercussions, I ask you to also consider the various possibilities of the reality of this phenomenon. Judge nothing before the time necessary to evaluate them, but, be prepared to defend your faith, which, the knowledge of these as being real may soon put to the ultimate test.
Isa 6:8 “Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.”
“Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.” “In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths.”
The fact that we are living at this particular time in the history of the world is by the Lord’s design. To witness the Lord from Heaven return and fulfill all His promises is nothing short of awesome. “Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth, Who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden In the day of the LORD’s anger.” And we “are not appointed to wrath, but, to receive salvation.”
Amen!
Sheila has written,
“How would the truth of any one of these revelations being correct affect the members of the Body of Christ? The only concern we should be aware of is that they are not “all” demons. There is a war going on in the heavens, but, we know how it ends regardless of all the players involved. All I can offer you is to never, under any circumstances loose your faith in our Lord and Savior. Never doubt that the Lord is working for us, and so who can be against us? Be still and know that He is God.
And Hamlet was correct: “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” Or, in this case, in our religion”.
We have sketchy information, and are left with speculation–some of due consideration, some wildly idealistic, or reductive. Not in the latter case by Sheila in these instances, but in all instances. We have phenomena without sufficient data to draw conclusions. We cannot really build doctrine or traditional dogma on this, but we can have our eyes, ears, and minds open to what is possible.
Spiritual creations, such as Angels, are somewhat of a mystery to us, and somewhat of a challenge. Our best tactic, in consideration of the sketchy information at hand, is to work on our discernment capacities, so that when and if the Satan appears as “an angel of light” we are not so impressed or undone, that we forget to whom we are attached by Calvary and events before and thereafter leading to the present day ministry of Jesus the Messiah.
Sound, Jabez.
Yes, very sound. It is so important that we use wisdom as Jabez described in things we have no definitive answers to. Cause Lord knows there’s a lot of them!
Thank you, Jabez. The reason I wrote all that’s out there on this subject is for the exact reason you stated:
“so that when and if the Satan appears as “an angel of light” we are not so impressed or undone, that we forget to whom we are attached by Calvary and events before and thereafter leading to the present day ministry of Jesus the Messiah.”
It’s not so pat, John Keel. The only expert is God.
John Keel, to my knowledge, has not had any truly first-hand encounters, despite a few odd occurrences:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/science-obituaries/5797746/John-Keel.html
More thoughts from John Keel:
“The October wave is actually part of the enormous 1972-73 flap and is following to the letter the patterns of the previous waves. I expect the greatest peak to occur in March-April 1974. When that subsides we will hear very little about UFOs until 1978-79. However, the next really significant wave will not take place until about 1984. By that time a complete and rational explanation of the phenomenon will be common knowledge, and the whole delightful extraterrestrial concept will be a thing of the past.”
Those who are children of God are led by the spirit of God.
Jesus said my sheep know my voice.
Ruth…Do you know Jesus??? Do you know His heart? Jesus said if you see me you see the Father. Jesus came to earth to save us from going to hell. He did not once say from His mouth that UFOs sighting were part of His plans for His children. Jesus is full of Love and compassion, mercy and grace. What does UFO sightings have to do with Jesus? Tell me.
You need to ask the Lord for His wisdom. Do not let your pride deceive you.
The Lord did not ordain UFO activities. Am I the only born again Christian on this site that knows this? Pretty scary thought. Wow!
I know Jesus. I know Him. I love the Lord and He speaks the truth to His children. Satan is the Father of lies. I asked the Lord about UFO sightings…He spoke in my spirit…That is not my heart.
I said what I need to say on this subject. Its our job as Christians to help others when they are being misled. I did my job. My hands are clean on this matter.
May the Lord shine His love and joy upon you Ruth and all who read this post.
PS
To be 100% honest with you. I really have no clue on who John Keel is. I just copied and pasted his comment.
DR Brown….
How do you handle all this debating without your emotions getting caught up in the rejection of the truth?
Lord help us.
Debbie, Debbie, Debbie. All I’m saying is don’t presume personally that you can know everything about extra-ordinary phenomena from reading a few men’s opinions, whether they be famous writers, researchers, or whatever. People are people and none make perfect assessments.
Sometimes the people who would most love to study a phenomena like unidentified flight craft and who are well-qualified to do so (such as Carl Sagan) are never afforded the opportunity to even glimpse one. The wisest humans will acknowledge the deficiencies of their perspicaciousness and be careful of advancing any denunciations.
Suffice it to say, the Lord, however, knows everything. He will judge all things, and there is nothing that is unknown to Him, anywhere. The most important thing for us to be really certain of is that it’s the Lord’s voice we are actually listening to, and not our own (or worse), and that we rest in the knowledge that He is in control, and He alone is judge. Judgmentalist attitudes have been the plague of the church for centuries, and have never served the cause of Christ. Right discernment, yes, presumptuousness, no. And zeal — zeal is excellent when it’s coupled with wisdom.
Yes, I do think you’ve rushed to judgment here by your blanket acceptance that supernatural phenomenon is always of the devil. (Neel thought there were “good and bad guys”, btw.)
I don’t sense that you can be convinced of that…so be that as it is. I believe we’ll get all our answers in the end (which is really the beginning!)
Thank you for asking a blessing for me. If you doubt my relationship to Jesus, Debbie, feel free to pray for me. I’ll appreciate any prayers, any time. And may the Lord bless you also.
WAKE UP SHEEPLE…
Emminent disclosure of aliens is coming very soon.
The UN just appointed a special envoy to greet aliens and the Vatican announced it now believes
in alien life and would love to bapatize E.T.
And there seems to be a new ufo over Chinese airports every day.
Cant any of you see that this whole thing is organized and millions of christians are going to lose their faith in a single moment.
The aliens are going to tell us that if we dont want to destroy ourselves we need to come together as one economically and religiously which is exactly what the globalist
NEW WORLD ORDER eletist oligarchy wants.
It will perhaps be “the great falling away & strong delusion” Gods going to send to a christianity that has form but no substance ……my 2 cents
For all the Zecharia Sitchin enthusiasts out there, I found this persuasive:
http://www.sitchiniswrong.com/letter/letter.htm
The definitive Christian resource on UFO’s is here:
http://www.alienintrusion.com/main.html
And on the Nephilim see this link:
http://aufiles.creation.com/images/pdfs/articles/sons-of-god-genesis-6.pdf
Ruth, and all others reading this,
Have you ever considered the possibility that some interdimentional craft could be God’s emmissaries, or used by God’s angels? I know on reading Dr. Heiser’s various writings, that he doesn’t see “why” they would need to use craft of any sort, but, my position is that they could use whatever they needed to get the job done when interacting with, or, crossing into our physical, material realm. I ran across some videos weeks ago while I was looking into Dr. Heiser’s views on these ufo’s from a Christian perspective. They are presented by Christians who are knowledgeable in the UFO field. Dr. Michael Heiser gave his presentation on this sight. This is the website: thestrongdelusion.com/index.php?option=com…id… There are, I think, four, or so, videos presented at this conference. Another is the Ancient of Days Conference at: “Ancient of Days UFO and Abduction Conference Panel Discussion” I found it on Google Videos. Also, you may want to explore another of Dr. Heiser’s sites at: michaelheiser.com/UFOReligions/category/ufo-sightings/page/2/
He says some very interesting things after an interview with Rich Dolan under “thestrongdelusion” site. Don’t be put off by the strange, new age look to the website. The witnesses and their various views are credible.
The reason I believe some of these are the Lord’s emmissaries is because these “other worldly craft”, for lack of a better description, have been seen over nuclear missile silos and bases, as is outlined by the numerous military officers who have unveiled this truth during the National Press Club interviews. Anyone can view it on youtube under the heading: “Disclosure Conference, National Press Club 27 Sept 2010” According to the Book of Enoch, angels can take whatever form they wish. Enoch’s writings were well known by the Apostles, as is attested to by their writings in the New Testament, and that they are described as capable of some “all conceivable lying wonders”. Could it be, as Satan is forever “apeing” God, that those under his command are still in the same business, and that some of these that are carrying out their own agenda, are, in fact, “apeing” the true emmisaries of God? Meaning that, there are “both” those working for God and those working for our adversary? I consider this a more than casual option.
In the Book of Isaiah, the Lord says, “No weapon formed against you, (meaning the nation of Israel), shall prosper.” Isa 54:17 No weapon that is formed against you shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against you in judgment you shall condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the LORD, and their righteousness is of me, says the LORD.” When the Lord says, “No Weapon”, I believe Him! So, these nuclear missles being rendered useless by unidentified flying objects takes on new significance.
Now, then, in the “big picture”, which is something I consider often, especially when God gave me particular experiences for a reason; not believing something as significant as viewing one of these interdimentional craft is a “coincidence”, I spent many years searching out what it is He wants me to do with this information and reality. This is what I was led to. We all know that as soon as Iran, or, God forbid, any of the radical, blood thirsty terrorists get their hands on a nuclear weapon, they will try to use it against Israel as soon as possible. Not to mention the desire to use them against “Big Satan”, meaning the U.S.. So, I’m thinking that these craft, being observed over sensitive nuclear bases, are telling us, that “we”, whoever it is guiding these interdimentional craft, can take these missiles off line, or, render them useless, whenever they are instructed to do so. And so, it leads me to trust that God’s will is the only determining factor in the long run. If they are meant to succeed, they will, but, I believe now is the time that God will fulfill his promises and He will “turn them back on their own heads.” Not that I want to see it come to that, but, it makes you wonder about the plague described in Zech. Zec 14:12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the LORD will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth. It sounds very much like the nuclear, or, chemical effects of our modern weapons.
And, perhaps, the “battle” being fought by the angels who are over the various nations and are at war in the spiritual realm, is being manifested as “somewhat” material, as we move closer to the end of days. Demons apparently interact as “spirits”, and I suppose the angels of God could operate in any way He uses them. Could not these be part of the “signs” from heaven? We have certainly moved into the passages of, “the waves and the seas roaring” and the “earthquakes in numerous and varying places.” And, without doubt, the time draws near.
So, I placed myself at the Lord’s disposal years ago and am aided in my studies to fit the reality of what I saw into the reality of God’s will being accomplished in “all” things both in heaven and on earth, not to mention, the “firmament” surrounding the earth. This is the “covering cherub’s” abode. I firmly believe there is absolutely “nothing” that happens outside of God’s knowledge. Even His wrath is brought about by angels who are commissioned in carrying it out. So, if you are weak in faith, or, do not trust God in all things, do not read any further. I’m serious. You won’t understand my reasoning.
I will say, that I did consider that the overwhelming increase in this aerial phenomenon, could, at the same time, be a part of the “all conceivable lying wonders” spoken of in the New Testament and that even some of the elect will be fooled. It also reads, “if that were possible”. I’m thinking that means those of us who are elect, will not be fooled. And I went even further in my studies of this phenomenon, in asking myself, “If , in fact, ‘all nations’ does (if only in this instance) mean all nations, how in the world could all nations be gathered together to fight against the Lord from heaven?” Obviously, He is going to return from Heaven, with a host of holy ones, just as He said. And He also said, “Then shall you “see” the sign of the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven, and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn.” It sounds obvious to me that it will be something very visible to “everyone”, “everywhere” that He is on His way. We are to lift up our heads and rejoice, for we know our redemption is drawing near, but, others will enter into the caves of the earth and hope they are hid from Him. Government bunkers anyone?
I didn’t hear the address made by President Reagan at the United Nations in September, 1987 until years after he made it. This is what Reagan said in an “earlier” transcript from the White House, while entertaining Gorbachev:
“how easy his task and mine might be in these meetings that we held if suddenly there was a threat to this world from some other species from another planet outside in the universe. We’d forget all the little local differences that we have between our countries”
And while Reagan’s remark at the UN has similar language, it ends a bit differently, with him saying that “war” is the common enemy. This is what he said:
“in our obsession with antagonisms of the moment, we often forget how much unites all the members of humanity. Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask, is not an alien force already among us?” “What could be more alien to the universal aspirations of our peoples than war and the threat of war?”
It’s rather clear that he was speaking of the “universal threat” as an “alien threat from outside this world”, as he said. And while I am not usually in the conspiracy theorists camp, I do wonder about his alzheimers disease. You’ll have to read Dr. Heiser’s book, “The Facade”, to understand the veiled connection. Reagan was the chief proponent of our “stars wars” program. Coincidence? The star wars program is quite earthbound; residing not in space, but on terra firma. Perhaps you’ve heard of HAARP? Or, maybe you’ve been able to view some of NASA’s video footage available on youtube? You can clearly see an earth based, somewhat laser- looking streak being fired into space, with an unidentified flying object evading it. In fact, the object moves away even before the laser leaves the ground. Fasinating.
So, does our government military complex think in spiritual terms? I would say as a whole, no. There may be a few who entertain the possibility that these are not “extraterrestial” but, “extra-dimentional” as the military, for the most part, tends to deal in real time and in the substantial, not in the supernatural. How many Biblical scholars do you suppose the military employs, if any? And while Dr. Heiser has put forth the hyposthesis that our military could be the manufacturer of a “visual” deception, somehow “projecting” the image of these onto the face of our “firmament”, so to speak, I hope and pray they wouldn’t go that far! I think he is proceeding along the lines of their ruse being the catalyst that would compel all nations to gather as one entity for economic and social consolidation of resources, thus “using” the common enemy that Reagan almost named, as the reason for the New Global Initiative. That is a possiblity. That would, in my mind, bring about another complex, possible senario. And that could be the reason for filtering their contrived images of these a bit at a time, as they say, “so as not to alarm the public.” The only problem I have is that I don’t believe for a minute that they are contrived.
However, if that is “not” the platform that they are operating from, then, consider whether they “do” believe they come from another solar system, regardless of the fact that no physicist can explain “how” they are able to do so. Enter the “wormhole” theory… I’ve dismissed that as an option.
If, in truth, they know they are “not” ours, or, any other nations and that they “do not” travel from another star system to ours, then, they are faced with the reality that the entire Bible is “true”; the interdimentional aspect of them being an affirmation of God’s existence, together with a spirit realm and that “that” is the truth they are not willing to disclose! That Christians would be alarmed by the thought that “only” demons were the ones flitting in and out of our “material world” is more than a viable concern. Christians should be prepared and willing to trust God emphatically! So, we could be looking at a simultaneous double cross. The government wants us to think that they are magically projecting them, when in fact, they “know” they are real. And that all the governments know that they are real and all have experienced “incidents” at their own nuclear facilities and none of them want to admit that they are helpless against them. They don’t control them, they can’t manufacture them, and they have no defense against them. Because, would not that mean that we are “all” at the mercy of them? Or, at the least, that is what “they” want us to believe. I am under the mercy of God, and fear is no longer in my vocabulary other than that I fear God and so have turned from my life of rebellion against Him.
It seems there are numerous, varied, and complex possible senarios. I’ve not yet mentioned the most profound theory concerning our visitors. They are not visitors at all, but, share the earth with us. They live in the “abyss” of the ocean where they have bases set up in depths that we can’t penetrate. Or can we? We, of course, are the primitive species, having evolved, with their help, from Apes; but, we are now considered a “threat” to ourselves and by extention, to them. They, the other species sharing our planet, are going to help us because, one, now that we have the capacity to not only destroy ourselves, but, them along with us, that they have no choice but to intervene. Or, two, there is, yet, “another” species of ET’s who do not favor our warlord habits and we should not be allowed to continue down our current path. So, it’s possible, that they will claim to be our “brothers-in-arms” to “repel” the real threat of the “other” ET”s, or, they will profess to being our saving grace, only trying to help move us along in the right direction…after all, we’re all in this together..”we’re your older brothers”… The Ufonauts, they say, are nothing more than the ancient “gods” of old, the Jupiters and Appolos and Aphrodites of yonder folk lore. Only they weren’t myths, they were real, but, we “mistook” them as gods because of their ability to fly around and that they were, in fact, gigantic in stature, which is historically true according to the writings about these “myths”. We (the people of the Book) know they were real because our Bible tells us they were real, that they were the “men of old, men of renown”, they were the sons of God who defiled themselves and mankind by leaving their heavenly abode as our caretakers and intervening where they had no business intervening.
Now, you may think I’m way out in left field, or, worse, just out of some looney toon institution, but, there are persons within the UFO community who have used the Bible to “prove”, if only to themselves, that Jesus even referred to these entities. I kid you not! Not understanding that the Lord was speaking about “bringing others, not of this fold”, as meaning, “Gentiles”, they claim He was speaking about the ET”s!! Hello…you need to study the Book… I don’t believe the Lord would have left out something as important as, “You know, out of all the life I created on all those other planets, you earthlings are the only ones who disobeyed Me and needed a Savior.” It doesn’t work. No how, no way. Did God also leave them His word, and give them prophets, and laws, and have everything point to their ultimate salvation by way of Jesus of Nazareth? If they would have us believe that these “evolved” beings are sharing this earth with us, they must be under the same curse. So, if “they” claim to be from here, ask them if they are Jews or Gentiles!
Are the rest of you thoroughly astounded yet? I do understand the difficulty and possible anxiety for some of you in trying to absorb all of this. That’s why I didn’t include all of my thoughts or all that I’ve learned about this phenomenon at this time. I’ve been decades studying this from every angle and in the last, going on six years now, I’ve had the Lord looking over my shoulder. I basically let the Holy Spirt guide me where He wanted me to go. The Lord has completely removed from me any and all fear involved in looking into this. I could only have made it this far knowing He was with me, helping me to sort it out; asking the right questions of Him and waiting on Him to disclose what I am to do with what I’ve learned. It was at first, a frightful journey, partly because those opposed to His truth do not want it shared with others. I spent many a night and day, praying for His direction and protection and trusting Him to reveal the right time for me to speak up and to share the truth of what I saw and what I’ve learned from every point of view out there. And, as you can better understand now, (I hope), there are a lot of theories out there! I trust the Lord emphatically and without doubting anything. Psa 28:7 “The LORD is my strength and my shield; my heart trusts in Him, and I am helped: therefore my heart greatly rejoices; and with my song I will praise Him.”
How would the truth of any one of these revelations being correct affect the members of the Body of Christ? The only concern we should be aware of is that they are not “all” demons. There is a war going on in the heavens, but, we know how it ends regardless of all the players involved. All I can offer you is to never, under any circumstances loose your faith in our Lord and Savior. Never doubt that the Lord is working for us, and so who can be against us? Be still and know that He is God.
And Hamlet was correct: “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” Or, in this case, in our religion.
I would like to thank the Lord for my husband, who never wavered in believing me and who supported my studies all these years and to thank my family members, some who shared in the witness of seeing what I saw and as Christians too, are approaching it from the truth that God knows what they are, and so, they have encouraged me to speak the truth and not to worry what others may think, as we all only answer to the Lord. And I have to thank those brave Christians, Dr. Heiser and Ruth, and the others who dared to tread where so few of us go; suffering the ridicule and blatant animosity that going public with the truth brings with it. I’ve thoroughly outed myself on the UFO issue. So, once more, knowing full well the repercussions, I ask you to also consider the various possibilities of the reality of this phenomenon. Judge nothing before the time necessary to evaluate them, but, be prepared to defend your faith, which, the knowledge of these as being real may soon put to the ultimate test.
Isa 6:8 “Also I heard the voice of the Lord, saying, Whom shall I send, and who will go for us? Then said I, Here am I; send me.”
“Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.” “In all your ways acknowledge Him and He will direct your paths.”
The fact that we are living at this particular time in the history of the world is by the Lord’s design. To witness the Lord from Heaven return and fulfill all His promises is nothing short of awesome. “Seek the LORD, all you meek of the earth, Who have upheld His justice. Seek righteousness, seek humility. It may be that you will be hidden In the day of the LORD’s anger.” And we “are not appointed to wrath, but, to receive salvation.”
Amen!
Sheila has written,
“How would the truth of any one of these revelations being correct affect the members of the Body of Christ? The only concern we should be aware of is that they are not “all” demons. There is a war going on in the heavens, but, we know how it ends regardless of all the players involved. All I can offer you is to never, under any circumstances loose your faith in our Lord and Savior. Never doubt that the Lord is working for us, and so who can be against us? Be still and know that He is God.
And Hamlet was correct: “There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy.” Or, in this case, in our religion”.
We have sketchy information, and are left with speculation–some of due consideration, some wildly idealistic, or reductive. Not in the latter case by Sheila in these instances, but in all instances. We have phenomena without sufficient data to draw conclusions. We cannot really build doctrine or traditional dogma on this, but we can have our eyes, ears, and minds open to what is possible.
Spiritual creations, such as Angels, are somewhat of a mystery to us, and somewhat of a challenge. Our best tactic, in consideration of the sketchy information at hand, is to work on our discernment capacities, so that when and if the Satan appears as “an angel of light” we are not so impressed or undone, that we forget to whom we are attached by Calvary and events before and thereafter leading to the present day ministry of Jesus the Messiah.
Sound, Jabez.
Yes, very sound. It is so important that we use wisdom as Jabez described in things we have no definitive answers to. Cause Lord knows there’s a lot of them!
Thank you, Jabez. The reason I wrote all that’s out there on this subject is for the exact reason you stated:
“so that when and if the Satan appears as “an angel of light” we are not so impressed or undone, that we forget to whom we are attached by Calvary and events before and thereafter leading to the present day ministry of Jesus the Messiah.”
An educated Christian is a powerful witness!