Burning the Quran will not have any positive effect or outcome. If the pastor really wants to know the will of God why not follow the example of Elijah. I challenge him to stack all the copies of the Quran and pour drench it with water and ask for God to burn them. I bet he would not do that!
Real power comes from standing on your knees and coming to the throne of God, not taking things into your own hands and power, burning Koran. Real sacrifice that moves the heart of God is fasting and praying. But burning the Koran is reckless and will further the Muslim purpose.
I remember finding out (after marrying him) that my husband had a vast collection of pornographic material. I told him I couldn’t live with it. He gave me permission to “get rid of it” – he himself felt it was wrong to have it, but would not have volunteered to get rid of it if I hadn’t broached the subject.
So one day a friend and I sat in front of the fireplace at my home and pitched volume after volume into the fire. I still remember how good that felt, in a cleansing way. I’m sure there are some people who would’ve ascribed many different motives to my actions, but to me it was all about clean vs. unclean. I could not dwell comfortably with that mass of pages depicting unclean acts, flagrantly opposing God’s word regarding sexual morality.
There are times when fire is cleansing. If we had a national day of purging pornography from our midst, I think that would be a good thing. It might be somewhat controversial, but not nearly on the scale of a mass burning of Qu’rans. I would like to see churches taking stands and not preaching mealy-mouthed, namby-pambyism and equating that with the Lord of Lords.
However, if people feel they want to burn something that is unclean on their own property, in a personal conviction between them and the Father, that is not something that will put anyone in harm’s way.
I feel that America is not only partly in a stupor, she is also fearful, and no wonder. Sword-wielding, bomb-wielding terrorists are enough to make anyone’s heart beat faster. It’s not called “terror” because it induces lovely, peaceful sensations. Those who perceive the threat of Islamic fascism are awake, but nervous. Those who don’t perceive that threat think we’re nuts for pointing it out. That may be an oversimplication, but it’s generally true.
I would love to see the political will in America to stand up against the fascism of Islam. I would love to see Americans saying, “Not on our soil.” It amazes me that of all the righteous causes which liberals have championed in the past that they would choose to defend Islam; and to think I was ever once a liberal myself.
But I see prophecy unfolding, and I am comforted in knowing God is in control, and will accomplish His purposes ultimately. It’s just that “a hard rain is gonna fall.” (-B.Dylan) “Times” that have to be accelerated, shortened, or else the very elect will not make it. That means that some of the very elect still living then will see at least some aspect of the tribulation, which will be shortened for their sakes.
Yes, the devil is stepping up the fight, knowing his time is ever shorter…
All the Qurans in the world need to be burnt. I hope that this is just the start of it, and that it becomes a worldwide movement. He is a very brave man to plan to rightly burn the Quran. In the bible to saints destroyed those things that were against God, and the Quran is surely against God and His cause.
We need to do what is right, and leave the results of our actions up to God alone and only. Burning the Quran is the right thing to do. Once we do or plan to do what is right we need to stop worrying about what the results will or might be, and just leave the results of your actions up to God alone and only.
Remember Israel, North Africa and many other places are today suffering because of the Quran. Many in these countries have died because of the Quran.
Such action depends on motivation. One must be like Jesus, believing that equality with God, “is not something to be grasped.” One then cannot do such an action out of a superiority feeling or notion, but out of conviction to uphold truth, as being a watchman on one’s community or national walls so to speak.
We often grasp at straws, or low and lesser than personhood or child of God valued “deals”, “sales”, and even bandwagon fleeting realities (in political election years and for other reasons), missing the real values one can exhert time, effort, and quiet agreement toward in the more excellent Way.
Burning a Koran as an action of both truth and grace is essential to such an action, not as a publicity stunt. It simply is not a book of truth, unless truth has always been relative to feelings and experience person by person, and, in this case, as akin to agressive violence in the name of its notion of God. The nature of its “prophet” compared to Biblical Prophets and the Messiah tell us something about the need for truth to be coupled to grace in our own actions. These then would be assertive actions of truth and grace, done in humility, not agressive actions of supposed truth, done in superiority posturing or one upmanship.
So, an action of burning such a book must be more than a symbolic assertion, but a stand against the divorce of truth from grace, and truth from truth, and both from achieving the “more excellent Way” modeled by Jesus. Keeping around a copy for a library, to refer to as an historical and errant document, differs from keeping around copies for the sometimes falsely asserted notion of equality (certainly in this case not stemming from the Lord, God about his opponent, Allah), or for purposes of apologetic reference, specific warfare prayer, or understanding one’s enemy seems needful.
Prayerfully one may then burn the book, and prayerfully one may then request of the power of God to overcome the spirit of Islam while disposing of its ideologies with a complete separation from one’s own devotions to truth and grace.
At least the Pastor’s intentions of burning Qurans is not lukewarm.
Is the Quran a satanic book? Can Satan be against Satan?
It is clearly a book from the originator of lies. Being on the planet and participating in its business and occupations too can be equally confusing to a soul which dedicates itself to the pursuit of what is godly. So, yes, it is a book of Satan, where it remains unclear what else you are asking. This is a fallen, mixed-up, and confusing world to many, so begging the question of the Koran’s contribution of authentic value being possible beyond the New Covenant’s grace and truth’s fix of the human predicament seems unimportant. So, advancing the Gospel may be a better use of one’s motivations and energy over and above such action as burning a book in effigy of its originator (long gone yet still highly influential on many walking in great darkness). Our duty is to be salt and light over and above thought police.
What is the point of us being in Afghanistan fighting Islamic Fascism if we defer to it’s movement
I just sent Dr. Terry Jones (and the others who will join him), a very encourging email note to burn the Koran. I am going to do the same when I get the chance to. A very, Very good idea, yes.
The German reformer Martin Luther, publicly burnt the Pope’s bulls, etc. Lets not forget the bold, brave, righteous public acts of those in history and of those in the bible most of all in publicly destroying the works of Satan.
Part of me agrees with the burning, but I believe that the only way to make a change is to continue to spread the truth of Messiah, live according to His commandments, and do what He asked of us.
Matthew 28:18-20 Yeshua came and talked with them. He said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember! I will be with you always, yes, even until the end of the age.”
God Bless and Shana Tovah
Raul
I don’t understand why FB commenters are saying that the burning of the qu’ran is somehow un-Jesus like or unchristian. Nothing could be further from the truth. Our God is a seasoned burner. He burnt Sodom and Gomorrah. He destroyed the amelakites and the nations in Israel. He destroyed Noah’s contemporaries. And that’s not all, he will soon burn people, humans that he created in his own image – those who reject what is good and right and his chosen salvation, in the lake of eternal fire along with satan and his wretched demons. If God would do that in the world to come, surely a pastor is following Jesus when he does so in the present age?
Burn them! Burn them all! Burn them for eternity!
Jesus is LORD.
Hello all, I back up what Pastor Terry is doing this weekend by burning the Koran. It brings a message that the Koran is not from the Lord but from Satan. People who think that Pastor Terry should not burn the Koran should read and understand the book of Revelation. Jesus came to earth as a lamb but He is coming back as a Lion. Jesus will not only burn the Koran but all the people who belong to it too. (Place call Hell) Jesus is going to seperate the sheep from the goat. God is not just love, for He is a just God. Remember what it says in Revelation 1:7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.” The earth is going to mourn when they see Jesus because they are going to realize that the Bible was correct and truly is the ONLY word of God and they will regret not obeying the Bible. If the Lord didn’t write it, burn it. My prayer for Pastor Terry is protection. I give the man credit and guts for not being ashamed of the Truth. Pastor Terry is doing this because He cares about the muslims. He is trying to say your way is wrong, it is not the truth. If he didn’t care he would do nothing. He is doing this because he is trying to show people that the Koran is not from the Lord. If the Muslims react in a negative and violent way then it will just prove that they are doing the work of Satan. Pastor Terry isn’t burning people, just their belief system. If anyone burns my bible, I wouldn’t get mad or upset. Because The Word abides in me. The Living Word lives in me. Praise His Holy Name.
Lord protect Pastor Terry. Send your angels and guard over him and his family. TY Lord.
I have a couple questions regarding the buring of the Quran for anybody still reading this post based upon a Scripture verse. Matthew 10:34-36 reads:
“Don’t think that I came to bring peace to earth. I didn’t come to bring peace but conflict. I came to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A person’s enemies will be the members of his own family.”
Now here are my questions – (1)Please give me examples of when conflict is is appropriate in the context of this verse. (2)In the context of the pastor’s plan to burn the Quran, why or why isn’t this verse applicable?
To say when conflict is appropriate is difficult for me to answer. Jesus often contended for the truth, but wasn’t his greatest work done on the cross?
I think conflict is more often than not difficult to avoid. Light and darkness don’t often get along.
I’m thankful we have the freedom to burn books. I think I should be willing to help defend that freedom even if it might mean that someday, someone, at sometime, might decide to burn a Bible.
I trust God is able to answer by fire as he is the maker of every kind of fire.
God’s in control and His plans are clear:
“The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are.”
Revelation 20:10
Two events are making national news – the proposed Quran Bible burning and the building of the mosque in NY close to ground zero. General Petraeus says buring the Quran could endanger troops. At the same time the man behind the NY mosque, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, claims that not building the mosque could endager troops and is an issue of national security. It seems to me that despite the fact that we have separation of church and state in this country that we can’t separate muslim and Christian religious activity from the affairs of state. I am pondering whether our American political philosophy is obsuring the fact there is a spiritual battle right under our noses. Part of our struggle is in fact defining the nature of events which are unfolding before us. We have quickly moved from actions of the pastor and the imam escalating from violating the norms of civility to issues of national security. This does not obviate our obligations a Christians, however, to speak the truth. One of the objections to the Quran burning pastor, is that Christianity is being defined by one person before consulting the rest of us. Inevitiably, many Christians simply react to the news. The message of the Gospel ends up being squeezed through headlines. It really is up to Christians to be faithful to our purpose and not miss the opportunity.
There is a real temptation to enter the debate and argue for our national character, instead of keeping to our focus. I am not advocating that we should cease being good citizens. But we have dual citizenship at this point. We are U.S. citzens and citizens of God’s kingdom. The Quoran buring pastor appears to be acting more as a citzen of the U.S. because his planned burning is on 9/11. What is interesting is that the Muslim community around the world makes no distinction between our separation of church and state. For them, this is a religious issue.
I seems that Rome, both imperial and papal, burnt anything they could find that was remotely Jewish/Hebrew. Martin Luther basically prescribed doing this also. There are still people practicing Judaism and many Christians are finding their Hebrew roots. The burning of religious books does not seem to keep people from adopting the religion described in the burnt books.
Most people do not investigate what their religious books actually say. They usually inherit their religion from their families and culture. Beyond this they accept their religious beliefs because of hearing someone “preach.” There are a few that come to be believers of a religion because of studying the book. This said, there is an emotional attachment to the said book.
The burning of a religious book would be a symbolic statement that could be inflammatory on at least an emotional level. Why not live and preach the truth and try to give no unnecessary offense to those that practice other religions.
I seriously doubt that burning the Quran will cause anyone to look into our religious book. It will probably not convert one soul. It will probably damage the testimony of the one burning the book.
I have burnt or destroyed some of my things in the past that seemed to be evil or idolatrous. This was done because of the desire to be pure and give no place to the enemy. It was done in the privacy of my back yard with a few other believers that were doing the same. Maybe burning books and such should be more of a “prayer closet” sort of thing most times.
Shalom
Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
I was surprised to hear a general speak against what a pastor is planning saying that what he is doing is a threat to his mission and safety of the troops.
When I was in the Army (many years ago) it would have been unheard of and difficult to imagine, for though we did hear of protests and increasing dangers to soldiers because of the actions of people, and did indeed have to change and adapt our training and accept the extra strain it put on us, (I served during times of peace) and were told by our commanders what was going on politicaly and why there was a greater sense of danger to us and why we were to expect changes in what we were doing, it was never said one way or another either in support, or condemnation of such actions.
We simply knew we were defending the constitution of the nation and it’s way of life, no matter how it was that people acted under their constituion be it well or poorly.
I began to wonder if what I heard from a general was because we now have a commander in chief who is sympathetic toward Muslims, and / or because of how our constitution has become misunderstood, misapplied, or not taken as it should be taken, whether by courts, politicians, or other people.
Sometimes it seems as if I find myself in some kind of old Twilight Zone episode where there is some kind of parallel universe that runs backwards or something.
It’s time this nation turns back to God isn’t it?
Maybe the pastor in question is protecting the constitution by the free exercise thereof.
What of the “fruit” that this act will bear? Already in Kabul, they are persecuting Christians. You might think these Christians are Americans. They are not. They are Afghani Christians who have turned to Christ. Do you not fear for your brothers and sisters, in that, just because you have a “right” to do something doesn’t make it “the right” thing to do.
Sheila
The Muslims are the biggest hypocrites in the world. They blow each other up, blow up their own mosques and oh by the way, there are Korans in those burning mosques. Where are the protests? Where is the outcry? The silence is deafening. They need to clean their house before they start tearing others down.
Here’s a novel concept…how about the Muslims being the bigger and better person and not freak out if those Korans are burned, but remain calm and peaceful. Because this is the “religion of peace” correct? This can go a long way in turning around the bad image of Islam in the west. This would be a great opportunity for them to show the world that they can take this and move on without resorting to threats of violence and death. But alas this would never happen since their book and belief system is inspired by the evil one.
The last I heard from the news on TV was that the pastor in Florida has decided to not go ahead with the Koran burning.
I now wonder if after first planning and letting the public know of his intent to do so, that it would have been better to go ahead with it and let people get used to the idea that people in America are free to protest in such ways.
I think the best way to go about the thing if it would be done, would be to preach the gospel of Christ, the necessity of his atonment on the cross on account of our sins, and how important it is that people not be captured by any other kind of news, preaching, religious work, or activity that would seek to relieve people of their just weight that they do indeed bear on such accounting by Almighty God, that is to say, that there is no other substitute for the blood of Jesus which may cover a man and relieve him of his guilt on account of his sins, and that any other message that would attempt to mask his true condition concerning these matters is as useless as lifeless ash which can no longer fuel any kind of fire. (or something to that effect)
Now it seems we are left with this modern “politically correct” dogma of tolerance somewhat stronger than it was before.
And so we can expect a greater future fire, it seems to me, for isn’t this willingness as future wood for the fire?
I heard a prophet say once that wood is for future fire.
I hear what you are saying Richard about hypocrisy with the Muslims and I think there is hypocrisy with those that want to build a mosque so near to ground zero.
If those who want the mosque to be built there want America to think of it as some kind of peaceful community center that will spread some kind of news of peace and good will toward all, they could start by asking if it would be all right with America if they would put up a large sign on the property that says something like: THIS ORGANIZATION DENOUNCES THE TERRORIST ACTS WHICH SOME MISGUIDED INDIVIDUALS HAVE ALLOWED THEMSELVES TO GET INTO HAVING ALLOWED THEIR BODIES AND MINDS TO BE USED BY SATAN FOR DESTRUCTION AND EVIL RATHER THAN TO BE USED FOR THE OCCUPATION OF ALMIGHTY GOD FOR HIS PURPOSES…ETC,
Then maybe it could be considered according to the constitution of the United States of America to allow for it’s construction, as long as they can really convince the people.
Jesus said we would know them by their fruits. Those who make peace will be the peace makers, not just those who say they come in peace but whose bread is mouldy and whose wine is stale. (Joshua 9)
And if they were to put up a sign maybe they could talk about how it’s been said by some that those who do such acts of destruction and killing such as happened on 9/11,… Do they expect to be rewarded with something like 50 virgins or whatever? What were they thinking, that if they did not marry here on this earth that they will choose one of the 50 over there to marry, and if so, what were they going to do with the other 49? Do they just have no sense, is that it? Do they just have no sense and if so, why? Isn’t it because they either did not hear about Jesus and the things he said (Matt 22:30) or refused to hear about him and the message of the cross? But that’s the spirit of religion. There is a religious spirit that captures men but Jesus makes men free.
And why would as many as 50 women want to marry somebody like that? Where would anybody find 50 like that? Not in heaven, I presume. It just makes no sense.
Burning the Quran will not have any positive effect or outcome. If the pastor really wants to know the will of God why not follow the example of Elijah. I challenge him to stack all the copies of the Quran and pour drench it with water and ask for God to burn them. I bet he would not do that!
Real power comes from standing on your knees and coming to the throne of God, not taking things into your own hands and power, burning Koran. Real sacrifice that moves the heart of God is fasting and praying. But burning the Koran is reckless and will further the Muslim purpose.
I remember finding out (after marrying him) that my husband had a vast collection of pornographic material. I told him I couldn’t live with it. He gave me permission to “get rid of it” – he himself felt it was wrong to have it, but would not have volunteered to get rid of it if I hadn’t broached the subject.
So one day a friend and I sat in front of the fireplace at my home and pitched volume after volume into the fire. I still remember how good that felt, in a cleansing way. I’m sure there are some people who would’ve ascribed many different motives to my actions, but to me it was all about clean vs. unclean. I could not dwell comfortably with that mass of pages depicting unclean acts, flagrantly opposing God’s word regarding sexual morality.
There are times when fire is cleansing. If we had a national day of purging pornography from our midst, I think that would be a good thing. It might be somewhat controversial, but not nearly on the scale of a mass burning of Qu’rans. I would like to see churches taking stands and not preaching mealy-mouthed, namby-pambyism and equating that with the Lord of Lords.
However, if people feel they want to burn something that is unclean on their own property, in a personal conviction between them and the Father, that is not something that will put anyone in harm’s way.
I feel that America is not only partly in a stupor, she is also fearful, and no wonder. Sword-wielding, bomb-wielding terrorists are enough to make anyone’s heart beat faster. It’s not called “terror” because it induces lovely, peaceful sensations. Those who perceive the threat of Islamic fascism are awake, but nervous. Those who don’t perceive that threat think we’re nuts for pointing it out. That may be an oversimplication, but it’s generally true.
I would love to see the political will in America to stand up against the fascism of Islam. I would love to see Americans saying, “Not on our soil.” It amazes me that of all the righteous causes which liberals have championed in the past that they would choose to defend Islam; and to think I was ever once a liberal myself.
But I see prophecy unfolding, and I am comforted in knowing God is in control, and will accomplish His purposes ultimately. It’s just that “a hard rain is gonna fall.” (-B.Dylan) “Times” that have to be accelerated, shortened, or else the very elect will not make it. That means that some of the very elect still living then will see at least some aspect of the tribulation, which will be shortened for their sakes.
Yes, the devil is stepping up the fight, knowing his time is ever shorter…
All the Qurans in the world need to be burnt. I hope that this is just the start of it, and that it becomes a worldwide movement. He is a very brave man to plan to rightly burn the Quran. In the bible to saints destroyed those things that were against God, and the Quran is surely against God and His cause.
We need to do what is right, and leave the results of our actions up to God alone and only. Burning the Quran is the right thing to do. Once we do or plan to do what is right we need to stop worrying about what the results will or might be, and just leave the results of your actions up to God alone and only.
Remember Israel, North Africa and many other places are today suffering because of the Quran. Many in these countries have died because of the Quran.
Such action depends on motivation. One must be like Jesus, believing that equality with God, “is not something to be grasped.” One then cannot do such an action out of a superiority feeling or notion, but out of conviction to uphold truth, as being a watchman on one’s community or national walls so to speak.
We often grasp at straws, or low and lesser than personhood or child of God valued “deals”, “sales”, and even bandwagon fleeting realities (in political election years and for other reasons), missing the real values one can exhert time, effort, and quiet agreement toward in the more excellent Way.
Burning a Koran as an action of both truth and grace is essential to such an action, not as a publicity stunt. It simply is not a book of truth, unless truth has always been relative to feelings and experience person by person, and, in this case, as akin to agressive violence in the name of its notion of God. The nature of its “prophet” compared to Biblical Prophets and the Messiah tell us something about the need for truth to be coupled to grace in our own actions.
These then would be assertive actions of truth and grace, done in humility, not agressive actions of supposed truth, done in superiority posturing or one upmanship.
So, an action of burning such a book must be more than a symbolic assertion, but a stand against the divorce of truth from grace, and truth from truth, and both from achieving the “more excellent Way” modeled by Jesus. Keeping around a copy for a library, to refer to as an historical and errant document, differs from keeping around copies for the sometimes falsely asserted notion of equality (certainly in this case not stemming from the Lord, God about his opponent, Allah), or for purposes of apologetic reference, specific warfare prayer, or understanding one’s enemy seems needful.
Prayerfully one may then burn the book, and prayerfully one may then request of the power of God to overcome the spirit of Islam while disposing of its ideologies with a complete separation from one’s own devotions to truth and grace.
At least the Pastor’s intentions of burning Qurans is not lukewarm.
Is the Quran a satanic book? Can Satan be against Satan?
It is clearly a book from the originator of lies. Being on the planet and participating in its business and occupations too can be equally confusing to a soul which dedicates itself to the pursuit of what is godly. So, yes, it is a book of Satan, where it remains unclear what else you are asking. This is a fallen, mixed-up, and confusing world to many, so begging the question of the Koran’s contribution of authentic value being possible beyond the New Covenant’s grace and truth’s fix of the human predicament seems unimportant. So, advancing the Gospel may be a better use of one’s motivations and energy over and above such action as burning a book in effigy of its originator (long gone yet still highly influential on many walking in great darkness). Our duty is to be salt and light over and above thought police.
What is the point of us being in Afghanistan fighting Islamic Fascism if we defer to it’s movement
I just sent Dr. Terry Jones (and the others who will join him), a very encourging email note to burn the Koran. I am going to do the same when I get the chance to. A very, Very good idea, yes.
The German reformer Martin Luther, publicly burnt the Pope’s bulls, etc. Lets not forget the bold, brave, righteous public acts of those in history and of those in the bible most of all in publicly destroying the works of Satan.
Part of me agrees with the burning, but I believe that the only way to make a change is to continue to spread the truth of Messiah, live according to His commandments, and do what He asked of us.
Matthew 28:18-20
Yeshua came and talked with them. He said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Therefore, go and make people from all nations into talmidim, immersing them into the reality of the Father, the Son and the Ruach HaKodesh, and teaching them to obey everything that I have commanded you. And remember! I will be with you always, yes, even until the end of the age.”
God Bless and Shana Tovah
Raul
I don’t understand why FB commenters are saying that the burning of the qu’ran is somehow un-Jesus like or unchristian. Nothing could be further from the truth. Our God is a seasoned burner. He burnt Sodom and Gomorrah. He destroyed the amelakites and the nations in Israel. He destroyed Noah’s contemporaries. And that’s not all, he will soon burn people, humans that he created in his own image – those who reject what is good and right and his chosen salvation, in the lake of eternal fire along with satan and his wretched demons. If God would do that in the world to come, surely a pastor is following Jesus when he does so in the present age?
Burn them! Burn them all! Burn them for eternity!
Jesus is LORD.
Hello all,
I back up what Pastor Terry is doing this weekend by burning the Koran. It brings a message that the Koran is not from the Lord but from Satan. People who think that Pastor Terry should not burn the Koran should read and understand the book of Revelation. Jesus came to earth as a lamb but He is coming back as a Lion. Jesus will not only burn the Koran but all the people who belong to it too. (Place call Hell) Jesus is going to seperate the sheep from the goat. God is not just love, for He is a just God. Remember what it says in Revelation 1:7 “Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him; and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.”
The earth is going to mourn when they see Jesus because they are going to realize that the Bible was correct and truly is the ONLY word of God and they will regret not obeying the Bible.
If the Lord didn’t write it, burn it.
My prayer for Pastor Terry is protection. I give the man credit and guts for not being ashamed of the Truth. Pastor Terry is doing this because He cares about the muslims. He is trying to say your way is wrong, it is not the truth. If he didn’t care he would do nothing.
He is doing this because he is trying to show people that the Koran is not from the Lord. If the Muslims react in a negative and violent way then it will just prove that they are doing the work of Satan. Pastor Terry isn’t burning people, just their belief system.
If anyone burns my bible, I wouldn’t get mad or upset. Because The Word abides in me. The Living Word lives in me.
Praise His Holy Name.
Lord protect Pastor Terry. Send your angels and guard over him and his family. TY Lord.
I have a couple questions regarding the buring of the Quran for anybody still reading this post based upon a Scripture verse. Matthew 10:34-36 reads:
“Don’t think that I came to bring peace to earth. I didn’t come to bring peace but conflict. I came to turn a man against his father, a daughter against her mother, a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. A person’s enemies will be the members of his own family.”
Now here are my questions – (1)Please give me examples of when conflict is is appropriate in the context of this verse. (2)In the context of the pastor’s plan to burn the Quran, why or why isn’t this verse applicable?
To say when conflict is appropriate is difficult for me to answer. Jesus often contended for the truth, but wasn’t his greatest work done on the cross?
I think conflict is more often than not difficult to avoid. Light and darkness don’t often get along.
I’m thankful we have the freedom to burn books. I think I should be willing to help defend that freedom even if it might mean that someday, someone, at sometime, might decide to burn a Bible.
I trust God is able to answer by fire as he is the maker of every kind of fire.
God’s in control and His plans are clear:
“The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are.”
Revelation 20:10
Two events are making national news – the proposed Quran Bible burning and the building of the mosque in NY close to ground zero. General Petraeus says buring the Quran could endanger troops. At the same time the man behind the NY mosque, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, claims that not building the mosque could endager troops and is an issue of national security. It seems to me that despite the fact that we have separation of church and state in this country that we can’t separate muslim and Christian religious activity from the affairs of state. I am pondering whether our American political philosophy is obsuring the fact there is a spiritual battle right under our noses. Part of our struggle is in fact defining the nature of events which are unfolding before us. We have quickly moved from actions of the pastor and the imam escalating from violating the norms of civility to issues of national security. This does not obviate our obligations a Christians, however, to speak the truth. One of the objections to the Quran burning pastor, is that Christianity is being defined by one person before consulting the rest of us. Inevitiably, many Christians simply react to the news. The message of the Gospel ends up being squeezed through headlines. It really is up to Christians to be faithful to our purpose and not miss the opportunity.
There is a real temptation to enter the debate and argue for our national character, instead of keeping to our focus. I am not advocating that we should cease being good citizens. But we have dual citizenship at this point. We are U.S. citzens and citizens of God’s kingdom. The Quoran buring pastor appears to be acting more as a citzen of the U.S. because his planned burning is on 9/11. What is interesting is that the Muslim community around the world makes no distinction between our separation of church and state. For them, this is a religious issue.
I seems that Rome, both imperial and papal, burnt anything they could find that was remotely Jewish/Hebrew. Martin Luther basically prescribed doing this also. There are still people practicing Judaism and many Christians are finding their Hebrew roots. The burning of religious books does not seem to keep people from adopting the religion described in the burnt books.
Most people do not investigate what their religious books actually say. They usually inherit their religion from their families and culture. Beyond this they accept their religious beliefs because of hearing someone “preach.” There are a few that come to be believers of a religion because of studying the book. This said, there is an emotional attachment to the said book.
The burning of a religious book would be a symbolic statement that could be inflammatory on at least an emotional level. Why not live and preach the truth and try to give no unnecessary offense to those that practice other religions.
I seriously doubt that burning the Quran will cause anyone to look into our religious book. It will probably not convert one soul. It will probably damage the testimony of the one burning the book.
I have burnt or destroyed some of my things in the past that seemed to be evil or idolatrous. This was done because of the desire to be pure and give no place to the enemy. It was done in the privacy of my back yard with a few other believers that were doing the same. Maybe burning books and such should be more of a “prayer closet” sort of thing most times.
Shalom
Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spake unto me, saying, This is the word of the LORD unto Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, saith the LORD of hosts.
I was surprised to hear a general speak against what a pastor is planning saying that what he is doing is a threat to his mission and safety of the troops.
When I was in the Army (many years ago) it would have been unheard of and difficult to imagine, for though we did hear of protests and increasing dangers to soldiers because of the actions of people, and did indeed have to change and adapt our training and accept the extra strain it put on us, (I served during times of peace) and were told by our commanders what was going on politicaly and why there was a greater sense of danger to us and why we were to expect changes in what we were doing, it was never said one way or another either in support, or condemnation of such actions.
We simply knew we were defending the constitution of the nation and it’s way of life, no matter how it was that people acted under their constituion be it well or poorly.
I began to wonder if what I heard from a general was because we now have a commander in chief who is sympathetic toward Muslims, and / or because of how our constitution has become misunderstood, misapplied, or not taken as it should be taken, whether by courts, politicians, or other people.
Sometimes it seems as if I find myself in some kind of old Twilight Zone episode where there is some kind of parallel universe that runs backwards or something.
It’s time this nation turns back to God isn’t it?
Maybe the pastor in question is protecting the constitution by the free exercise thereof.
Fred Phelps, of Westboro Baptist Church, will be burning again the Koran if Dr. Terry Jones, backs down. Now thats a man with guts. Like him or not.
Here is the story below:
http://www.ocala.com/article/20100909/ARTICLES/100909743/1412?Title=Westboro-Baptish-Church-to-burn-Qurans-if-Dove-doesn-t
What of the “fruit” that this act will bear? Already in Kabul, they are persecuting Christians. You might think these Christians are Americans. They are not. They are Afghani Christians who have turned to Christ. Do you not fear for your brothers and sisters, in that, just because you have a “right” to do something doesn’t make it “the right” thing to do.
Sheila
The Muslims are the biggest hypocrites in the world. They blow each other up, blow up their own mosques and oh by the way, there are Korans in those burning mosques. Where are the protests? Where is the outcry? The silence is deafening. They need to clean their house before they start tearing others down.
Here’s a novel concept…how about the Muslims being the bigger and better person and not freak out if those Korans are burned, but remain calm and peaceful. Because this is the “religion of peace” correct? This can go a long way in turning around the bad image of Islam in the west. This would be a great opportunity for them to show the world that they can take this and move on without resorting to threats of violence and death. But alas this would never happen since their book and belief system is inspired by the evil one.
The last I heard from the news on TV was that the pastor in Florida has decided to not go ahead with the Koran burning.
I now wonder if after first planning and letting the public know of his intent to do so, that it would have been better to go ahead with it and let people get used to the idea that people in America are free to protest in such ways.
I think the best way to go about the thing if it would be done, would be to preach the gospel of Christ, the necessity of his atonment on the cross on account of our sins, and how important it is that people not be captured by any other kind of news, preaching, religious work, or activity that would seek to relieve people of their just weight that they do indeed bear on such accounting by Almighty God, that is to say, that there is no other substitute for the blood of Jesus which may cover a man and relieve him of his guilt on account of his sins, and that any other message that would attempt to mask his true condition concerning these matters is as useless as lifeless ash which can no longer fuel any kind of fire. (or something to that effect)
Now it seems we are left with this modern “politically correct” dogma of tolerance somewhat stronger than it was before.
And so we can expect a greater future fire, it seems to me, for isn’t this willingness as future wood for the fire?
I heard a prophet say once that wood is for future fire.
I hear what you are saying Richard about hypocrisy with the Muslims and I think there is hypocrisy with those that want to build a mosque so near to ground zero.
If those who want the mosque to be built there want America to think of it as some kind of peaceful community center that will spread some kind of news of peace and good will toward all, they could start by asking if it would be all right with America if they would put up a large sign on the property that says something like:
THIS ORGANIZATION DENOUNCES THE TERRORIST ACTS WHICH SOME MISGUIDED INDIVIDUALS HAVE ALLOWED THEMSELVES TO GET INTO HAVING ALLOWED THEIR BODIES AND MINDS TO BE USED BY SATAN FOR DESTRUCTION AND EVIL RATHER THAN TO BE USED FOR THE OCCUPATION OF ALMIGHTY GOD FOR HIS PURPOSES…ETC,
Then maybe it could be considered according to the constitution of the United States of America to allow for it’s construction, as long as they can really convince the people.
Jesus said we would know them by their fruits. Those who make peace will be the peace makers, not just those who say they come in peace but whose bread is mouldy and whose wine is stale.
(Joshua 9)
And if they were to put up a sign maybe they could talk about how it’s been said by some that those who do such acts of destruction and killing
such as happened on 9/11,… Do they expect to be rewarded with something like 50 virgins or whatever?
What were they thinking, that if they did not marry here on this earth that they will choose one of the 50 over there to marry, and if so, what were they going to do with the other 49? Do they just have no sense, is that it? Do they just have no sense and if so, why? Isn’t it because they either did not hear about Jesus and the things he said (Matt 22:30) or refused to hear about him and the message of the cross? But that’s the spirit of religion. There is a religious spirit that captures men but Jesus makes men free.
And why would as many as 50 women want to marry somebody like that? Where would anybody find 50 like that? Not in heaven, I presume. It just makes no sense.