Does It Matter to God If Christians Keep the Dietary Laws? By lofradio Jun 16, 2010 / 526 Comments Tweet https://thelineoffire.org/shows/line_of_fire_06_16_10_hr1.mp3 Dr. Brown’s In-Depth Discussion of Believers and the Torah Dr. Brown’s Concise Discussion of Believers and the Torah Dr. Brown’s Article on the Place of Rabbinic Tradition in Messianic Judaism
Rejecting YHWH’s word on what animals are clean is more than a bodily issue. It is lusting/coveting. This comes from the heart and coveting is a major matter. The food is just a small symptom of a huge problem. Rebellion against YHWH’s rule is not small. Raw is not best according to YHWH. Man may say so, but to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey is who you are serving. Medical science or fad diets are not the one we are suppose to worship.
Raw diet is pareve/kosher & the leading authority on it is a Rabbi (Gabriel Cousens).
Also, raw was the original diet for man (Adam), and God’s original diet idea. Raw diet cures diseases fast; disobeying God’s Law, He would put diseases on people, and it wouldn’t have to happen merely “supernaturally”, it would happen by cause of coming in contact with the wrong things, etc.
There is nothing within raw veganism that would break His Law or bring a curse; on the contrary, it blesses and adds no sorrow.
In AoG circles, I’ve often heard this explained that as long as you yourself personally believe that something is ok, it’s ok, but if you have a conscience problem with it, then you shouldn’t do it. So it’s about your own faith independent of God or anything He’s said. It’s about what you personally have faith for, as long as you have faith, everything’s kosher. But by that logic, if a so-called Gay Christian has faith that God has called their relationship clean, they should not let any man look down on them for it, because it’s ok because they have faith for it. See how problematic that is? Surely faith isn’t something independent of God and His word?
So how about this. Is it possible that of faith, means…
Well, let me put it this way, Christians often say, I don’t have religion, I have faith. Faith’s primary definition is believing/trusting in God according to His word/promises/instructions. i.e. the Way of God, the way of faith.
So whatever is not in accordance to faith (Derekh HaShem) is sin. To be of faith is to have faith in the words of the Lord and live in accordance with that faith.
In the garden, man may have eaten only raw. The Bible does not say. They may have cooked their artichokes and cashews. If raw is best, why does it require supplements to obtain certain vitamins and minerals? We are not in the garden of Eden. Able offered a firstling offering. We know,by torah, that the offerer is supposed to eat the animal. Shortly after the garden, when the curse came, we began to eat meat. YHWH specifies which meat we may eat. You are free to eat raw if you choose, but there is no scripture that proves its superiority. It is a teaching of man.
1. B12 is the only “vitamin” (if I’m not mistaken, it is a bacteria) which vegans “need” to supplement.
2. Not all vegans suffer from B12 deficiency.
3. There are a few natural sources, but Dr. Cousens doesn’t really “like” them, because of their less-than-optimum effects on the bodily “terrain” (Reishii mushrooms & brewer’s yeast if I’m not mistaken; also B12 can be found in feces, but he says we have to find a more palatable source – LOL).
4. It is only a matter of time before a good, naturally-occurring source of B12, is found.
5. There are plenty of “paleo” dieters (raw meat eaters) – even putrid meats (which cure diseases http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_YyJ6HeGWk)
6. Torah’s benefits can be proven through science; the same science that proves Torah’s reward/goodness, proves there is a superior diet. The less calories you eat, the longer you live (proven with lab mice); eating raw vegan diet supplies the greatest amount of vitamins, minerals & amino acids with the least amount of calorie load. Also, you release ALL extra weight (some lose 35lbs+ in their first month), bad breath & body odor lessens/disappears, skin clears, diabetes is reversed, cancer is cured.
Speaking of diet, I think everyone should know about Dr. Max Gerson. He certainly deserves to be recognized among one of the many great “Jewish lights” in the world:
B12? How about Wheatgrass?
I, by no means, intend to condemn veganism or raw veganism. I do think that we have a tendency to replace YHWH’s simple commandments with commandments of men that we think are better and wiser than YHWH’s instructions. To obey is better than sacrifice.
The idea of food is to nourish our bodies so that we can do YHWH’s will. It is not our directive to try to live as long as possible or to spend tremendous amounts of time and mental energy seeking what we shall eat or what we shall put on. Seeking first the kingdom of YHWH is done by committing to full faith and obedience to YHWH’s word. This brings great reward…rulership in the kingdom and eternal reward also.
31 Therefore take no thought, saying, What shall we eat? or, What shall we drink? or, Wherewithal shall we be clothed?
32 (For after all these things do the Gentiles seek:) for your heavenly Father knoweth that ye have need of all these things.
33 But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
All things in moderation is the scriptural injunction. Obsessing in the area of diet does not seem to be correct doctrine. If we stand solely on YHWH’s instructions and mellow out on man’s ideas we will do well.
12 There is a way which seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
Man has a desperately wicked heart. YHWH’s law is perfect. We mess it up when we add to it or take away from it.
Where I’m coming from God has given so many species for us to eat, so much variety, I don’t see what the problem is.
Tens of thousands of fish species are kosher.
Thousands of bird species are kosher.
Tens of animals are kosher.
And four kinds of arthropods are kosher.
I think our Father gave us more than enough to keep our diet healthy and interesting.
Ever since I started following your advice (maybe incorrectly) – “it doesn’t matter what you eat” – I’ve experienced a rise in lust ; I do not think that that belief is for me.
Jer 5:8 They are become as WELL-FED horses, lusty stallions; every one neigheth after his neighbour’s wife.
Eze 16:49 Look! This was the sin of your sister Sodom and her daughters: Pride, TOO MUCH FOOD, undisturbed peace, and failure to help the poor and needy.
Too much food/too many calories (more than necessary) leads to lust.
Raw vegan food = less calories, does not arouse the passion of gluttony.
Even if I can’t afford it, I can still be careful about the foods I DO have available to me.
(or, for that matter, even the “passion” to taste – let alone gluttony)
Dear Dr. Brown,
What should Christians do concerning foods that are certified “Halal”?
Blessing in Yeshua’s Holy Name.
Independence, KS 67301
I’m starting to see what you meant by “reaching out to a dying world, worshipping God, and issues of the heart”… thanks
You have to answer several questions, then you have your answer.
The Bible says we are not to eat food offered to idols, but what about false deities? i.e. false gods, but they don’t have graven images like Buddha does. Is food offered to false deities forbidden? If a Mormon sacrifices food to the god of Mormonism, is that the same as eating food offered to idols?
For myself, I believe that false gods with or without graven images essentially the same thing.
My favourite place to eat locally has halal meat. I used to eat there all the time until I found out it was halal. Since I found out, I’ve never been back. I miss the food like crazy, but I must say that through self denial, I’ve developed some self discipline muscles. I do it as unto the Lord, but I surely miss the food.
THE FULLFILMENT OF THE TORAH IS LOVE,LOVE UR FRIEND AS URSELF IS THE FULLFILMENT OF THE LAW,ALL 613 MITZVOT ARE COMPLETED WHEN WE DESIRE EXACTLY WHAT WE WANT FOR OURSELVES UNTO THE OTHERS,REGARLESS OF ANY DISTINTION WHAT-SO-EVER,(THERE ARE 1050 COMMANMENTS IN NEW TESTAMENT)AND YESHUA OPENED THE DOOR AND ALSO GAVE US THE EXAMPLE TO DO IT….SHALOM!
OHH!BUT U DON’T HAVE TO DO THEM…IT’S VOLUNTARY OUT OF PURE,SINCERE LOVE TO THE CREATOR…..SHALOM!
The doctrines of the church are so confusing and illogical that I understand now why jews prefer to die rather than to become christians. As an ex-homosexual I can tell you that the only thing that was stoping me from becoming normal was this very harmful and unjust “Torah was only for the israelites”-theology. I was always thinking. How do I know which laws I should follow if just some parts of the Bible is to be taken serious?
If christian leaders can pick and choose what to observe then me too can pick and choose what I want to observe and stay gay. And if I am not allowed to explain away that particular commandment,then tell me why? Where can I find some general rules for which commandment I am allowed to cancel and which not? Who decide what is to be observed and what is not to be observed? Isn’t it God? But God says that the Torah is established forever. And if God said that eating shrimps is wrong how then can someone suggest that God now changes his mind and say it’s okey to eat them?
If the punishment for not keeping the shabbat was death, how then can someone say now that it doesn’t matter any longer.So you mean God killed people for not observing the shabbat which he anyway would abolish later on? So you mean they died for nothing? God killed them just for fun or what? That’s ridiculous. Is God a female that he change his mind all the time? Is he having personality disorder that he is both against unclean food and for the unclean food?
Of course we believe God is perfect, he doesn’t change his mind and he isn’t a deciever who say one thing and other time the opposite. So either the Chruch leaders are wrong in their understanding of the grace or the whole christianity movement is a big baloney.
If we are not under the law, why then did the apostles of God(Acts 15) said that the gentiles should abstain from eating blood, meat that was sacrificed for pagan gods and from anything that has been strangled? Isn’t taht the dietary laws? And why aren’t you keeping them? You have to know that there are many homosexuals out there who are using the same argumentation as the church people to expalin away the sexual laws. And you can’t blame them, because they are using your own logic. You taught them to pick and choose the laws of God and know you collect the fruits.
Because if you twisting the scriptures and say: “I eat whatever I want because ´What goes into a man’s mouth does not make him ‘unclean,’ but what comes out of his mouth, that is what makes him ‘unclean.’ ” Then a homosexual can use the same verse to justify his homosexual acts by saying: “Whatever goes into my body doesn’t make me unclean but what goes out of my mouth that makes me unclean.” But we already know that we are the temple of God, did we ever read about a high priest taking the pig into the Temple?
I think there is strong evidence that the primary point of consideration is not the extent to which our christian liberty extends to the observance or non-observance of the dietary laws, but rather, the question we should be asking is how best to use our liberty for the glory of God.
Why did the same apostle Paul who wished “those of the circumcision group”, who were teaching circumcision and the full observance of Torah Law as a requirement for salvation, “emasculate themselves”, the same Paul who said “If any of you are circumcized Christ will profit you nothing”, how is it that this very same Paul circumcized Timothy before taking him to Jersalem?
Timothy was half-Jewish, and he did not want his un-circumcision to be a stumbling block to Jews they would be preaching the gospel to. Christian liberty is not about what i no longer have to do. It’s about having the freedom to do whatever i have to do so that “by all possible means I might save some.” Even though we are no lomger slaves to sin, we are slaves to righteousness. Even though we are no longer bound to the law, we are bound to do what is right. Thus our christian liberty is not a licence to do what we want. It is the ability to do what is right at any cost, and we are obligated to do so.
Dr Brown I would like to apologize. i did not realize you had requested that this discussion be closed. I saw you facebook post with a link to today’s radio program. I saw the link for this discussion thread and thought it was an open thread relating to today’s program. I started scrolling up through the comments after I posted and realized the thread was supposed to be closed. I want to be respectful of your moderation of these discussions. 🙂
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Thank you for your article. The Bible clearly defines food.Everything that He says not to eat is really bad for us considering they are scavenger creatures.
It slays me how people try to reason away the scriptures.
I’d like to talk to the caller named Michael or have him email me as I have had a similar situation.
My email is SPARKMANRL@YAHOO.COM if you happen to see this, Michael. I had a very similar experience, although it was not with Messianic Judaism.
This statement for enforcing sin iniquity in the churches , I found in the churches on do we keep the dietary laws or do we sin through Christ in breaking the dietary laws of God in not putting a difference between clean and unclean holy and unholy in the dietary law and Deuteronomy 18 &30 , ten commandment see also revelations 17-23 chapters: and a lie against the Gospels good news we’ve been sent with to proclaim salivation Plan for man to be saved : to set at liberty those who are bruised and heal the sick lay hands on the sick that they may recover raise the death the Gospel good news plan for salvation! faith! To not set them at grave harm by a lie! We are to give Satan no place whom resist steadfast in the faith by the word of God! Two shall put ten thousand to flight pray with me that god will open their hearts and minds to accept the gospel of Peace Goods news to proclaim in the churches and to purge out the old leaven that we may be a new lump: keep the dietary laws Leviticus 11 We have explained in previous articles that New Testament (NT) believers are under no legal obligation to observe the Old (Sinai) Covenant, because it was fulfilled during the earthly ministry of the Messiah.The purpose of the Old Covenant was to point the way to Him. Once God came and fulfilled its requirements, the Sinai Covenant gave way to the New Covenant (Jer. 31:31).The Messiah has freed us from the Sinai Covenant and its legal requirements through His death on the Cross (Col. 2:13-14). Now we are under the authority of the New Covenant, and our Torah is the New Testament. But does this freedom also apply to the OT distinction between “clean” and “unclean” foods? Have we been “freed” from this, too? Jesus didn’t come to kill God his father, if i build against the thing i destroy i make myself a transgresses ! not one jot or title of the law will fail till all fulfilled then kingdom delivered up , when we sin we transgress the Laws of God sin is a transgression of the law of God Leviticus 11 Deuteronomy 28 & 30 , ten commandments , see also revelations 17-23 chapters! ! This moral must first put off the sins of the flesh and be clothed upon with Christ attributes when you had sin you were free from righteousness , we growing up in Christ to the full measure of the God head bodily so their no schism in the body the hand cant say to the foot i have no need of you! The plowing of the wick is sin ! then that saying oh death, where is your sting oh grave where is your victory will become swallowed up by life . all running in a race reaching for the prize of the high calling of God that is in Jesus Christ , the kingdom delivered up! God is able to deliver up the kingdom of heaven now , because salvation a free gift not of works but of faith under grace yet our works do follow our faith , God only one who knows the time he will deliver up the kingdom of heaven ! but these are the working of the Gospels good news were sent to proclaim: in the great commission to give no offense to the church or to the adversary to speak reproachfully against us, Given God here with to answer him that reproaches him! God the Christ can take his place under God ! Repent and turn away from your lie against the truth ! Gods word is truth and no lie! Your lie against the truth is idolatry, the kingdom of heaven is not in meat and drink but love peace and joy in the holy ghost! putt a difference between clean and unclean , the law is holy just and good if you use it lawfully but if you say thats whats saved you you have fallen from your faith that salvation is a free gift, by faith through, grace a free gift not of works least anyone should boast , no one going to glory saving through the cross of the lord Jesus Christ, then will have rejoicing in our selves an before Christ you’ll as our crown of rejoicing. & tempered ! Taste and see God word is good,God will give us the earnestness of our inheritance the infilling of the holy ghost , were to pray in our most holy faith building up ourselves in the holy ghost , he wont speak of himself , but what he hears from the father God thats what he will speak he will take us into all truths , for as many as are lead by the holy ghost these are the sons of God ! we grow up in Christ to the God head bodily to the full measure of Christ, putting off the old man and works of darkness where by were now ashamed when we lived in them and putting on Christ, it is not us that lives but Christ in us he at the right hand of god making intercession for the saints, God is willing our will to will his will, i am fully persuaded I can do nothing of my ownself but all things through Christ who strengthen me! so then i find a law and sin revives , is it then law evil that made death unto me , God forbid i had not known it was sin had the law not said thou shall covet! So the law is not evil, buy holy , just , and good, ! it was out school master to bring us up unto the faith in Christ! we grow the reading of the word to the renewing of our minds proving what that good and acceptable will of God is, from goodness unto righteousness unto righteousness , line upon line faith to faith glory to glory , here alittle there alittle , when we sin against Gods laws it reaps first anguish and tribulation and corruption in the flesh and afterwards death if not confessed and turned away from living any longer in that sin , so that we bring forth fruit meet for repentance! To bring forth fruit meet for repentance your cursing the disabled children dad-less and widows by your idolatry sin covetousness is rebellion against god laws the gospels good news doctrine principles to abide in the vine so that our fruit will remain! we can’t bring forth fruit of our ownself except we abide in the vine ! “Jesus the word of God the vine ” Close your online churches false testimony doors against the gospels good news doctrine principle to abide in the vine to bring forth fruit so that our fruit will remain, it is God Gospel salvation plan for man there is only one faith , one lord Jesus Christ , one hope of our calling, Gods word is of no private interpretation, , as I’ve showed you here in this message, stop speaking cursing over the people of God, by your lie against the truth in the gospel good news doctrine, forever more like the tree that when Jesus came to when he was hunger and seen that tree didn’t have any fruit on it Jesus curses to not bear fruit hence forth forever more! Mark 11:12-25 – Jesus Curses a Fig Tree and Clears the – Bible Gateway : love never failth it abhoreths evil! God is able to establish us up unto the faith and settle us unto every good work! We can’t out give God ! What house will you build me God said to David? David had a wives David had http://www.biblenews1.com/garden/David1.html plus concubine’s David David concubine had https://www.reference.com/world-view/many-children-did-king-david-bible-68e438f9864de08d# and yet God said he was after Gods own heart holy buble kjv soloman had Solomon’s Foreign Wives
…2from the nations concerning which the LORD had said to the sons of Israel, “You shall not associate with them, nor shall they associate with you, for they will surely turn your heart away after their gods.” Solomon held fast to these in love. 3He had seven hundred wives, princesses, and three hundred concubines, and his wives turned his heart away. 4For when Solomon was old, his wives turned his heart away after other gods; and his heart was not wholly devoted to the LORD his God, as the heart of David his father had been.… gave over the read will offering I also did that from my youth up before I read it in the Holy Bible God did all or inward working and wrote his word into our hearts that we might not sin against him! The zeal of my father house has eating me us Christ said when he scourged the sellers in the temple over throwing their tables!
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