March 15, 2010 By lofradio Mar 15, 2010 / 25 Comments Tweet What Must We Believe to Be Saved? (And More on Exclusivistic Christians) https://thelineoffire.org/shows/line_of_fire_03_15_10_hr1.mp3
I have to agree with the caller who spoke about the thief on the cross, 1) he realized he was guilty and realized Jesus was innocent, so he knew he could not save himself. 2) He just trusted fully in Jesus.
The other caller, who made the “good role model” comment, I fully agree! I always feel blessed when I hear someone challenges you on the air just to hear how you react. It’s always a blessing.
Thanks, Eric! God is very patient with me, and hopefully, I can display some of that to others.
I called in but had to hangup.I apologize.Confess jesus as your savior and believe God raised him and repent.Then I believe you wll be saved. The problem I have with once saved always saved is that people that believe that way and turn back to their sinful ways,may never turn back to the lord.The people teaching that could be costing some people their salvation.
Please explain moderation
We can say we believe and still go to hell, but there must be a “born again” experience. We don’t become a Christian by learning what to believe…. we become a Christian by the miraculous birth of our dormant spirit by a little faith in Christ.
I too have serious concerns about the teaching of once saved always, since it can, in fact, produce complacency and false security.
As to your question about “moderation,” could you explain what you’re asking?
Yes. If we truly believe, we will experience a birth from above.
Great show. It convicted me of my anti-Calvinist fervor.
Lord, I repent of scorning Calvinists 🙂
Lord bless my Calvinist brothers & sisters! And Lord, bless them with everything that I’m thinking in my mind right now. In Jesus’ name. Amen!
Dear Dr. Brown,
I love your show. The guy that was promoting the video Dr. Brown Exposed is a heretic himself and is a moron! he needs to check himself to see if he is of the faith!
My question is why do you not believe in Once Saved, Always Saved(OSAS)? what do you think of Charles Stanley’s book Eternal Security?
Charles Stanley, Eternal Security, 74: “The Bible clearly teaches that God’s love for His people is of such magnitude that even those who walk away from the faith have not the slightest chance of slipping from His hand.”
How do you exegete 2 Timothy 2:13?
Is salvation conditional after we believe? do we have to maintain faith?
How do you exegete Romans 8:38,39?
how do you exegete John 10:28-30?
Thank you, God Bless, Shalom, Maranatha,
Exodus 3:14,Deuteronomy 6:4, Mark 12:29-31, Matthew 22:37-40, Luke 10:27, John 8:58
Thanks for the show. Paul gives a basic outline of the essential gospel in 1 Cor.15:3-5 by which anyone is saved.
I am one of those crusty Calvinists, but I would like to thank you for your show and your ministry. I remember hearing you speak at Yale University around 1992. You were one of the persons the Lord used to bring me to faith in our Lord Jesus while I was a divinity student there.
One question for you; Do you believe that salvation by faith alone is required? (With emphasis on the word alone.) Is the classic Protestant understanding of justification by grace alone through faith alone because of Christ alone, a primary required core doctrine or a secondary one in which brothers and sisters can disagree about?
Christ’s grace to you, thank you.
If an off-topic is brought up and no one seems to be posting on an on-topic wouldn’t it be ok, say after a week of minimal activity, to allow the off-topic that was of interest to be discussed?
I once read through the New Testament in one week for the express purpose of finding all the passages that talked about “eternal security” or the opposite. I used a new Bible and marked the “Once saved always saved” passages with one color and the ones that seemed to say the opposite with another. I ended up with a lot of one color and just a little of the other. You might try this as it is a good study and it really helps get the big picture directly from the scripture instead of from man.
To whom does Jesus say, ‘Depart from Me. I never knew you’?
Marcella, my understanding is people who base their salvation on works if you notice “Lord haven’t I done this in your name, Lord haven’t I done this, etc etc”, I would say they are basing their salvation on things that *they* have done. Rather than trust fully in Messiah without adding or taking away from the finished work at the Cross.
Yes, I know you’re right, but surely, there are others, don’t you think? So many people wear the Christian label, though they are very far from being Christ-like. It was poorly presented but I intended the question to be rhetorical.
Anyway, to call Dr. Brown a heretic is absurd. We know a tree by its fruit.
I was telling my mom about the youtube clip Dr. Brown played, specifically that ‘it’s okay to keep sinning…’. My mom mentioned that ‘sinning intentionally/knowingly is trampling on the blood‘. I’m not sure where that comes from… anybody?
Regarding, ‘once saved, always saved’: I don’t really know. Surely, someone can fall away. Satan was once an angel, and is no more. We’re born ‘dumb’, but we don’t have to die dumb. 🙂
A few years ago, I thought about being ‘washed in blood’, which seemed strange (theoretically) since blood stains. It was then that I thought ‘once saved, always saved’ could be true if once washed in Jesus’ blood, always stained. It probably has some merit, but even if it does, if we’re clothed in our righteousness…
I think this is what your mom was talking about:
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Cool. Thanks, Bo.
Well, not so much ‘cool’ as it is good to know. If ‘to whom much is given…’, those of us who are/were saved have a lot more duty. And if ‘faith without works is dead’, how much more lifeless is faith that continues to sin?
Still, if one is saved and doesn’t later deny Jesus, I think that person must remain saved…? Their faith may be dead (and I can’t see why anyone would be content with that), but are they not still a child of God? Imagine the eternal shame of having few to no jewels in our crown (or no crown at all).
Once again, I think I’ve wandered. May I ask, if once saved is not always saved, what would a person who is saved have to do to become unsaved?
The only thing I can think of is to renounce Jesus. Surely, having once accepted Him won’t matter if one later denies Him.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity(lawlessness).
The context has nothing to do with works salvation, but of doing miraculous things and still being excluded from eternal life because we fail to keep YHWH’s commandments. (Not that keeping commandments saves us, but a saved person is empowered to keep them because it has been written on his heart. He loves YHWH’s law.) If we are Torahless it does not matter if we have exercised spiritual gifts. If we do not do the will of the Father (the law and commandments) it does not matter if we attend a charismatic church. The first verse I quoted says we will be known by our fruits. Miracles and such are not the fruits of a saved life. Living by every word of YHWH is. This passage should teach us that we must endure to be saved. There have been those that have been used by YHWH in the miraculous but have fallen into sin. The miracles do not count against a Torahless lifestyle.
There is such a huge difference in the amount on the “Armenian” side that it is hard for me to even consider the “Calvinist” approach to scripture.
Though no one can be plucked out of YHWH’s hand, we can jump out if we wish. And he can take us out if we continue to remain obstinate.
1 I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
1 ¶ Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
11 ¶ Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
So we can be branches “in Him” and not bear fruit and so be taken away. If we do not continue to abide in Him we are cast into the fire. The Father is the husbandman that does the taking away and the casting into the fire. It behooves us to let His word and His Father’s word abide in us so that we are sure to remain in their love.
10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
We know if we love Y’shua and His Father by the commandments that we keep.
1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
The kind of faith that overcomes the world is the kind that empowers us to keep YHWH’s commandments. This is how we can know that we love YHWH and His children. If we love His law it will not be grievous (a burden) to keep His commandments. Keeping commandments does not save us it is just the proof that we have saving faith.
God is very patient with me, and hopefully, I can display some of that to others.
Oh I see. A genuine Christian, rather than someone merely professing that. But I knew you were one of those long ago, Dr B.
I may not be granted salvation by your credo, but you certainly are by mine. Thank you for your good works – and if you’re correct about the Faith requirement, I think you have that sewn up too.
What Must We Believe to Be Saved?
as to the thief on the cross…Christ had not died and rose again. He was under the old covenant. Baptism in Jesus name had not yet been done, no speaking in tongues, no new creation, etc.
He went to paradise because of the mercy of God Almighty.
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