Dr. Brown Answers Your Questions (including Tongues and the Holy Spirit, and Predestined Spouses)
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Dr. Brown Answers Your Questions (including Tongues and the Holy Spirit, and Predestined Spouses)
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“Another question is, what about Matthew 6? Christ told us how to pray, ”Our Father…..”, He never spoke of some heavenly prayer language”
And therefore you conclude Paul is incorrect?
“He condemns vain repetition. If you check a lexicon some of the definitions given are: to repeat the same things over and over, to use many idle words, to babble, prate.”
Again, you are missing the point. Its not about just repetition. Its the impure motives Jesus was dealing with. “For they think that they will be heard for their many words.”
Did not Jesus address Acts 1 that when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, you would receive supernatural power to be witnesses? That’s where Paul comes in and addresses the specifics
Ben KC says:
“Another question is, what about Matthew 6? Christ told us how to pray, ”Our Father…..”, He never spoke of some heavenly prayer language”
And therefore you conclude Paul is incorrect?
How so? And please, dont bring up 1 Cor 14:13-14 (as I said in another message, 1 Cor 12-14 is NOT a guideline on how to pray, it is a REBUKE, the guidline is in Matthew 6) where Paul is still talking about earhtly languages as is the rest of Acts and Corinthians. He is saying, if he prays in Farsi for example, and if it is a language that he does not understand that his spirit would be praying through the gift of earthly languages. Nothing about praying in ”tongues” the way the Pentecostals view it.
About Matthew 6, it is clear that you are the one who is actually missing the point, once again………verse 9-13 is a command of HOW we should pray. AGAIN, nothing about any heavenly language or about repeating the same babble continuously, thinking you will be heard for your many words.
The way the Holy Spirit intercedes in prayer can be seen in Romans 8:26
Anyways, I gotta get going, it was nice talking to you Ben, and just so my motive is clear, the reason I am even taking the time to address any of this stuff is because I dont want you or anyone else babbling for 2 hours thinking they are praying to God while in the end all it is, is what Christ condemned, vain repitition. I have 2 brothers in Christ who used to believe in ”tongues” the way you do, and one of them, after he got out of it said, (not in these exact words, I am paraphrasing) ”Man, I thought all this time that I was praying, what the heck was I even doing all those hours….?!?!?!?”.
Again, I am doing this in love, I dont want you, or anyone else to go through the same thing.
I pray the Lord will allow you to read the Scriptures and see them for what they are.
Peace and God bless you.
Ill get back to answer this later on.
Loris,
As you mentioned earlier, you’re a very new believer, and I could introduce you to thousands of believers who have been wonderfully transformed in their walks with God since they were baptized in the Spirit and began to pray in tongues. And it has been a wonderful part of my prayer life for the last 38 years — and I pray in tongues because it is 100% scriptural to do so and it edifies me in the Lord so I can pour myself out for others.
So, as much as you’re trying to teach others here in love, it would be great if you came in here to learn too. And, for the last time on this thread, I urge you to study some of the solid works I recommended by godly biblical scholars so you can see the error of your posts here.
And of course, I say that in love too! 🙂
Just wanted to slip this is before I get back to it again later but you continue to highlight that praying in tongues is considered vain repetition which is not what Jesus is talking about. I continue to address that Jesus is not speaking against repetition. He speaks against vain repetition. How Jesus defines vain repetition is the motives behind the prayers that are done continuously. The example Jesus spoke about was “For they think that they will be heard for their many words.”
If you continue to take Matt 6 against praying in tongues, you are misinterpreting Matt 6 and missing the heart behind it. You seem to sound like it has to be in this “systematic format” instead of seeing the heart behind Jesus’ prayer. You know, you can pray the Matt 6 prayer and Jesus could tell us we are doing it in vain repetition? Why, because it could be done with impure motives. You can be a Monk in a small town praying the Matt 6 prayer in public just to be seen by men.
Also to add to Dr. Browns comment, there are many testimonies of people who never been to church, get saved, baptized with the Holy Spirit and prayed in tongues (not talking about the earthly language). They were not manipulated, nor trained, or placed in a setting to copy someone to pray in this manner. It was done supernaturally. The highlight is not about just praying in tongues but the fruit that is produced in their lives.
There are so many things I could say (and want to say), but I dont feel like they will go anywhere as you guys are clearly stuck on what you believe, regardless of what I or anyone says, I know you think I am also stuck on what I believe but from everything I have studied (and also from what I have read in this thread) I would have no reason to believe anything other than what I believe, which is what the Scriptures, (when looking at them in an unbias manner) clearly teach.
Dr. Brown,
I understand that you want me to read those commentaries but there are also many commentaries out there taking the opposite stance. Should I go out and read those too? As I said before, from studying Scripture, and by God’s grace (and the Holy Spirit of course) this is the conclusion I have come to.
As I said previously, you are a man I have a lot of respect for, and as I stated before, a man who is my favorite of all the Christian authors/evangelists/apologists. I hope there are no hard feelings………There is so much I would like to say but I will instead not return to this thread (we can start another discussion in the tithing thread if you want 🙂 jk) as whatever I say wont be viewed as having any meaning because I dont have a PHD, or because I haven’t studied any commentaries (on both sides of the spectrum by the way)
Thank you for your ministry and I pray and hope that you will continue to reach the homes of many through your radio show, and I hope that it can sow a seed in the hearts of many to come to the Lord.
Take care and God bless you brother.
Loris,
Again, thanks for the gracious words, and again, keep studying and start with the works I referred to. Of course I’ve read plenty of books on the other side and I’m quite sure they are quite wrong on their position about tongues. So, do what I have done and study more and read the other side. I pray that a wonderful, deep, powerful, God -glorifying encounter with the Holy Spirit awaits you!
Loris,
Dr. Brown has read commentaries that also opposes what he believes. He doesnt just only read one side of things.
I would encourage you to continue to discuss this topic. If not, I respect your decision.
“About Matthew 6, it is clear that you are the one who is actually missing the point, once again………verse 9-13 is a command of HOW we should pray. AGAIN, nothing about any heavenly language or about repeating the same babble continuously, thinking you will be heard for your many words.”
Im going to HIGHLIGHT your own words:
“AGAIN, nothing about any heavenly language.”
It sounds like you are saying if its not addressed in Matt 6, therefore its not considered prayer. How do you address these other prayers that dont sound like the prayer of Matt 6:
* prayer for physical healing
* fill you with the knowledge of his will through all spiritual wisdom and understanding
* God may open a door for our message, so that we may proclaim the mystery of Christ
* Night and day we pray most earnestly that we may see you again and supply what is lacking in your faith
* … pray for us that the message of the Lord may spread rapidly and be honored
* I pray that you may be active in sharing your faith
Please clarify
Also wanted to add, there is nothing that says we have to pray in English so going to with view, we will have to pray this in the original language Jesus spoke in. Please clarify.
“Alienation”
I tried a search for matters regarding your thoughts on Israel and the Israeli situation, but could not come up with any results. That was the reason for the post, because if I could find your personal stance on the current situation brewing in Israel, it would be easier for an Israeli to identify with you. I also added that it might not be your calling to reach out to the Israeli. Was only hoping to find some personal identity with the “Israeli”. Would definately appreciate it if you could point me towards such articles if any.
Again, I’m in total agreement with you.
Thanks again
Yizrael
I see alot of comments regarding the speaking of tongues. I wonder if anyone has ever considered I Samuel 10. Could that have anything to do with tongues?