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I just can not believe the reality that I live in today. I remember very well seeing Bruce Jenner on the Wheaties boxes- the orange cereal boxes. If I had started calling him a woman people would have thought I was crazy! here we are after the 70’s 80’s 90’s 00’s and a very queer thing has happened to America! I think I must be in a Twilight Zone.
1Co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
Maybe it all started with him having long hair. Can something so simple be the start of a rebellion that can lead to more and more detestable notions and actions. Not being a doer of the word causes self deception. We really do reap what we sow. Sometimes the crop of a few small seeds is overwhelming over time. Just look at the kudzu problem that was supposed to be a solution.
The blurring of the sexes and their roles and appearances is out of control now too. What started as supposed equality, has born fruit that shows the real seed that was planted. We could have recognized the noxious weed that feminism is at an early stage if we had simply read the gardening book and believed what it said. But our culture worships itself…and continues to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Romans 1
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
And judgment begins in the house of Elohim. Do we really think that unisex ideas and tattoos and miniskirts and celebrity preachers are YHWH’s ideas? Weeds being plated in the kingdom of heaven will not fare well. Those that plant them will not either.
Matthew 13
36 Then He dismissed the crowds and went into the house. His disciples approached Him and said, “Explain the parable of the weeds in the field to us.”
37 He replied: “The One who sows the good seed is the Son of Man;
38 the field is the world; and the good seed–these are the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of the evil one, and
39 the enemy who sowed them is the Devil. The harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
40 Therefore just as the weeds are gathered and burned in the fire, so it will be at the end of the age.
41 The Son of Man will send out His angels, and they will gather from His kingdom everything that causes sin and those guilty of lawlessness.
42 They will throw them into the blazing furnace where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
43 Then the righteous will shine like the sun in their Father’s kingdom. Anyone who has ears should listen!
Verse 41…
Shalom
Bo-
So, nothing in the bible is “cultural?” EVERYTHING should be applied across the board with no consideration of 1st Rome/Israel vs. 21st America?
Women should still be silent? Women should still refrain from jewelry? No female leaders? Any comment about the silence on slavery? Etc.
David,
You are trying to equate two very different things. It is really just rhetoric in the end.
Paul’s remarks are not cultural. They are backed by how YHWH created man and woman and His (YHWH’) direct insistence that the wife be in submission to her husband. Paul says nothing about this that can be construed as cultural.
In the case of slavery, there certainly are places around the world that would benefit greatly by applying what scripture says about slavery and how to treat slaves. But there are also plenty of employers in the “modern world” that would do well to give their employees the same treatment as what the Bible insists on for slaves. A slave that loses a tooth because of a masters harsh treatment is to be set free. How many hundreds of thousands of people lose way more important things than teeth because of sweat shops and cruel employers or even self-centered and greedy employers?
Ex 21:27 And if he smite out his manservant’s tooth, or his maidservant’s tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth’s sake.
Anyone that kidnaps someone and sells him into slavery is supposed to be but to death according to scripture.
Ex 21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.
Slavery was, and still is in some places, about the best opportunity some people have to not starve to death or be left to die.
The slavery that the Bible talks about is for the sake of preserving the life of the destitute…whether because of war or mismanagement of life. It is for helping people get on their feet and a lot of times it is much like apprenticeship. It is for helping relatives and countrymen.
Slavery is nowhere preached as the right thing to do in the Bible. It is not backed by how YHWH created man. It becomes somewhat of a necessary evil because of our fallen world. It is definitely an aberration of YHWH’s original design.
Women leading and teaching men is also an aberration of YHWH’s original design. It places too much upon the weaker vessel and causes men to shirk responsibility. It damages both the man and the woman spiritually.
Honestly I am more concerned that men have shirked responsibility than that women end up in leadership. This is what is behind the woman taking up the mantle that does not belong to her. I do not mean to rebuke women, but men for being spiritual wimps.
1Co 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
The best way to “let the women keep silence” is for men to act like men and leaders and be thoughtful, compassionate and thorough in representing their families.
The original sinless man and woman were given instructions after the fall. The man had not protected and lead the wife. The woman was deceived into taking the lead and the man followed along.
Ge 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.
17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
Fallen man and woman still need these instructions. Harkening unto female leadership brought about the ground’s curse. Every time we get pricked by a thorn or have to dig up a thistle, we should realize what women in leadership results in.
I am not saying that women do not have any good advice and spiritual discernment. They do. They are just supposed to subject their ideas and leadings to their husbands instead of taking the lead. Then the man can take up his YHWH given role in seeking YHWH and protecting his wife and family. YHWH’s rules are for our protection. We are fools to cast His law behind our backs.
Ho 4:6 My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Who is it that suffers most when we do not order our lives according to YHWH’s word? Our children. Why is it that “churched” children are turning away from the faith in droves? Could it be that they see their fathers shirking their responsibility and their mothers leading?
You might want to think a little harder on this one, David. There is more than meets the eye than soundbites and simplistic straw man arguments. It is not about culture. It is about living by every word of YHWH. When we don’t, we cause much harm to all those around us. When we don’t we are not loving our brothers or our Creator.
1Jo 5:2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Shalom
Bo-
If we really want to drag up rhetorical fallacies like straw men, we could talk about circular reasoning and using a source (bible) to affirm its own authority.
Aside from that delicate issue, when I read the bible I consider the fact that Paul speaks about his own opinion as well as his firm commands (by the way, I’m positive you have no interest in how I read the bible, so I’m not deluded), and I think that there are, of course, levels of authority. In my opinion, The bible contains the word of God as opposed to BEING the word. Or, as Richard Wurmbrand said, “The bible is the truth about the Truth.”
You’ll (perhaps) say that’s the road to ruin and I’m one of those heart-grow- cold types, but I just can’t get away from the idea that conservatives die on hills God never commanded them to take. One of those hills being how people treated women, or what a man is supposed to be like, two thousand years ago.
Long hair is an outward matter as much as diciples washing their hands before eating (regarding your first post). If God is concerned with such things, he’s not that great.
But, I’m sure we’re just ping-pongs now, bouncing off each other. So, Bo, have a fair goodnight.
Oh and Bo–
I call skunk on your slavery thing. When God gives instructions on what happens when a guy sells his daughter into slavery, He is backing that system. Maybe even creating it?
If God can command people not to shave the sides of their heads or to forgive debt every seven years, he could have been like, “slaves? Don’t do that at all.”
See what I mean?
David,
You wrote:
“…I just can’t get away from the idea that conservatives die on hills God never commanded them to take. One of those hills being how people treated women, or what a man is supposed to be like, two thousand years ago.”
Man and woman are still man and woman. They are both still sinners with inherent problems. They would both do well to take their places that their Creator asks them to take. I guess if we are dying on hills that we were never asked to die on, then liberals are building hills that were never meant to be built. At least we are on hills that YHWH made. The liberal experiment ends up killing multitudes on their man-made hills that they themselves refuse do battle on.
Ex 21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.
What do you think that a poor father in a third world country who has a daughter that he cannot feed should do? Let her starve? Why not betroth his daughter to someone or his son? While she is young person she can be of help to a household as a nanny and maid until she is of marriageable age. You are sitting in an ivory tower judging things that you do not even know the details of…or maybe are not remembering them on purpose to make your case. Biblical slavery is not Islamic slavery or African slavery or even American slavery of the 18th and 19th century.
What is it when we sell children of parents that do not want them to other parents that can give them a good home till they grow up and get married? We call it adoption. (And yes they are being sold and people are making a lot of money off of it.) Do you really think that the what the Bible describes in selling a daughter is much different? The person that is now in charge of the girl must treat her right or she is free.
In the Biblical scenario, do you think that the father and mother of the daughter are simply going to be laughing all the way to the bank and forget that their daughter was ever born? Or are they some of the ones that ensure that she is treated correctly and bring the case up to the judges of the people? Do they not act like our modern adoption agencies?
You just have not thought much about what is being talked about in the Bible. You certainly did not address much of what I wrote in the last post.
You are right that YHWH could have just simply have said that no slavery is allowed…and hundreds of thousands of people would have starved to death. Or He could allow for it and regulate it so that people could be taken care of and get back on their feet. I know that you and your liberal friends think that you are better economists and societal engineers than YHWH, but your track record is abysmal. YHWH’s way of helping the poor gives the poor a chance to get out of poverty. The liberal agenda has produced more and more poor who never learn to manage their lives or money.
Maybe if we began to apply the Biblical principles of slavery/apprenticeship we could teach the poor to fish instead of just giving him another person’s fish. Maybe 6 years of living under a person that lived according to YHWH’s rules would produce people that could manage their lives and be productive citizens.
You wrote:
“Long hair is an outward matter as much as diciples washing their hands before eating (regarding your first post). If God is concerned with such things, he’s not that great.”
Well then you do no think that YHWH is great. To compare the Pharisees added commandments of men to what YHWH inspired in scripture is rhetoric or ignorance. Messiah rebuked the Pharisees for going by their own ideas, but he inspired Paul to write what he did about men with long hair. If your religion does not affect every aspect of your life, it is not worth much. Outward matters matter because they show where our hearts are.
You wrote:
“we could talk about circular reasoning and using a source (bible) to affirm its own authority.”
You will then proceed to tell us that the ideas of man (yours especially) are authenticated by what? …by the ideas of men (yours especially). You think that you have become the judge of what is authoritative and have thus elected yourself god by unanimous decision. This is exactly what eating from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil is…deciding for yourself what is right and wrong instead of obeying YHWH’s commandments. You prove me correct about you when you write:
“In my opinion, The bible contains the word of God as opposed to BEING the word.”
Your problem will be that your other “words of God” contradict the word of YHWH that the Bible contains. If you think that the Bible is only partly true, who is your authority in deciding what parts are true? If you think that the whole thing is true but incomplete, how can your new revelations that contradict it be true?
Oh, I forgot, your opinion decides truth. You self authenticate. Since you do such, you must allow the Bible to self-authenticate or be found a hypocrite. You also must let everyone else self-authenticate which means that you must believe that truth is not truth at all but just the preference of the one that believes it. So does anyone’s preference trump all other preferences?
Yes! The one that created and owns this universe. And He told us His preferences in the Bible. How he prefers that we live is called righteousness and holiness. When we go by our preferences instead of His, it is called sin.
2Ti 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
So it comes down to the Bible being all we need to know how live acceptably to our Creator or us deciding for ourselves what is acceptable. We either have a Deity or we are our own deity. There is no other option.
Shalom
Bo–
I could call you ignorant too, Bo. But it doesn’t make it true. So, I won’t take offense at the few times you’ve done that to me.
Of course, every person decides what’s authoritative. That’s just the way it is. It doesn’t mean I’m arrogant. You do the same. At some point you said, “Hey, that bible. That’s true.” You made a judgment. You ascribed authority to it. By bowing to its authority you judged it worthy. Judged.
And, I don’t believe my opinion decides truth. I don’t think yours does either. That’s a common, unthoughtful attack.
“The liberal experiment ends up killing multitudes on their man-made hills that they themselves refuse do battle on.”
This is just silly.
“Biblical slavery is not Islamic slavery or African slavery or even American slavery of the 18th and 19th century.”
It was a) hereditary b) disrespected the family dynamic c) permitted violence up to the point of death d) contained a racial component.
Sounds bad to me. Sounds, actually, nothing like adoption.
“You self authenticate. Since you do such, you must allow the Bible to self-authenticate or be found a hypocrite. You also must let everyone else self-authenticate which means that you must believe that truth is not truth at all but just the preference of the one that believes it. So does anyone’s preference trump all other preferences?”
It depends on the preference, a subject which would take a book to answer. Sure, the bible can self-authenticate. Why not? But let’s say call it what it is. It’s a circular argument. It may be true. Every word may be true, but just because Paul wrote something to Timothy about the scriptures (the NT hadn’t been compiled yet), doesn’t mean that God was go-go-go with dashing baby’s brains out against the rocks.
And so, Bo, I think it comes time to call it quits. We’ll end on a note of happy disagreement while your preconceived notions are blissfully confirmed. I’m an ignorant liberal who doesn’t know the bible and who has hardened his heart.
But, let me end on this: At one point in bible school I became convinced of the whole predestination thing. Romans 7-11 got me (among other verses). I couldn’t argue myself out of it. This led me to seriously question the goodness of God. Can a being truly be “good” if he creates things only to torture them forever? My answer was/is/will-be, “no.”
It became a decision between maintaining my relationship with God and rejecting parts of the bible, or rejecting God and affirming the bible.
Men at the Council of Nicaea decided what was going in the bible. I think I get the same shot.
David,
You did not read the passage and respond to it. You just made broad assertions. You can try again if you like.
You wrote:
“When God gives instructions on what happens when a guy sells his daughter into slavery, He is backing that system. Maybe even creating it?”
Here is the passage in question:
Ex 21:7 And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.
8 If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.
9 And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.
10 If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.
11 And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.
What is the difference between what the above passage says and modern adoption? Parents can’t or won’t take care of their daughter. She ends up costing money to acquire. She is taken care of until she leaves home or is married. If she is not taken care of properly, she is removed from the home.
The only difference is that the marriage is set up ahead of time. And this was and is common in many places all over the world. Our version of acquiring a mate has a horrible track record of divorce and single parent child raising that just continues to perpetuate itself.
And to answer your question about what gets included in “your” bible…Messiah accepted Genesis to Malachi and held it out as the Word of YHWH. All of Messiah’s apostles agree. If you do not believe in the same scripture as Messiah, you do not really believe Him and are not a true follower.
Messiah gave authority to His apostles to rule and teach His assembly. If we do not accept what they wrote, we are rebelling against divine authority. If we do not believe that Messiah gave this authority to them or if we do not believe the accounts of the gospels, we believe in a false messiah of our own imagination for there is no other way of knowing about the one we call Messiah.
So you either accept all of what Messiah designated as authoritative (The Old Testament and the apostles writings), or you do not really trust Him. If you say you trust Him but do not think that the accounts we have of what He said are true, then you trust in a figment of your imagination.
There is a vast difference between you deciding what things are scripture and a large group of studied and respected leaders deciding to collect all the writings that had always been held as authoritative by virtually all those that came before them and call them scripture.
Shalom