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  1. Since the law has been abolished by God, it’s almost as if some people think that the law can no longer teach right from wrong anymore, as if the words of the law are completely without all effect, but that is simply not so.

  2. Any law that has been abolished does not teach right and wrong any more. If it tells us what right and wrong are it is still in effect. The very words “abolished” and “in effect” are opposites. You have to take one side or the other Ray. You would do well to take the same side as Messiah, Paul, James, John, Peter and Moses and the prophets who all thought and taught that the law was not abolished.

    Ex 19:9 And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the LORD.

    Mt 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (ESV)

    Ro 3:31 do we then by means of this faith abolish the law? no, indeed; we give the law a firmer footing. (Weymouth)

    1Jo 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.

    2Pe 2:21 For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them.

    Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
    23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
    24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
    25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

    Eze 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
    27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.

    Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

    Lu 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

    Shalom

  3. Contrary to scripture, Bo.

    Though the law is abolished by God and the work of Jesus Christ, it still teaches and instructs. It’s words are still powerful and able to reach men’s souls.

  4. Ray,

    I quoted the scripture. You contradict it and the very meanings of words. What part of “Think not that I have come to abolish the law” do you not understand?

    Mt 5:17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. (ESV)

    Shalom

  5. Abolish in context means to ‘Do away with without completion or fulfillment’, in essence, failure. That is why he also includes His intentions to ‘fulfill’ which means complete, finish in perfection. So the Mosaic Law has been done away, but not through abolishment, but fulfillment.

  6. Benjamin,

    Mt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
    18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    In context Messiah goes on to say that those that ignore the smallest of the commandments in the law will relegate themselves to being least in the kingdom while those that keep and teach all of the law’s commandments will be great in His kingdom. So the context is not what you say. Messiah also says that not the smallest stroke of the law will pass away until heaven an earth pass away and that is when all will be fulfilled. Not the smallest part will be voided until all of it is fulfilled. There is still much to be fulfilled. Paul explicitly says that the law is has not been voided in the strongest of terms.

    Ro 3:31 do we then by means of this faith abolish the law? no, indeed; we give the law a firmer footing. (Weymouth)

    You fight against every author of the Bible.

    Shalom

  7. Benjamin,

    What you believe undermines YHWH’s Torah instead of putting it on a firmer footing.

    Ro 3:31 do we then by means of this faith abolish the law? no, indeed; we give the law a firmer footing. (Weymouth)

    Shalom

  8. Bo, you contradicted scripture.

    Look up the word abolish as it pertains to the law. It’s in the KJV.

    When God abolished the law, his living word still spoke and continues to speak in all of it’s authority that it is supposed to have in this age of grace according to the gospel of Christ.

    In his abolishment of the law, God did not hinder the gospel at all.

  9. I guess some people react to the word abolish as some react to the word trinity, or Israel, or maybe some other words. The word trinity isn’t even in the Bible.

  10. I think it would be advisable to stay away from Kabbalah. The Jewish people may be God’s chosen nation, but their religion is false. All false religions come from the same source.

  11. Noelle,
    Though “Jews” are called, gifted, and beloved for the sake of their ancestors [Ro 10:28,29], “Jews” are not “God’s people” at this time [Hosea 1:9; Ro 10:6].

    You want to say they have Covenants with God?

    Fine.

    So do all Noah’s descendants (Gentiles), and all the animals [Gn 9:8-17], but would you say that that Covenant made those Gentiles and those animals “God’s people”? Neither does any Covenant which may still be standing between Jews and God (e.g., Brit Milah).

  12. When it comes to the covenants of God, it seems that my focus should be on him, his faithfulness, patience, kindness, and mercy, though sometimes his people (those who have entered into his covenants) have been awesome, and amazing, but not always.

  13. No, Daniel, I don’t believe that the Jews have a covenant with God. They did. But it was abrogated when the Lord Jesus died on the cross. There is now a New Covenant, made with the remnant of Israel, open now to all peoples.

    Out of respect for the doctrine disseminated by Messianic Judaism, I referred to the Jews as God’s chosen people, because God did choose them.

    Unfortunately, the Jews today do not have the light of God, which can only come through Christ. They are living in darkness. Their religion comes from the Father of Lies. This is why every Christian should avoid the Kabbalah. To be blunt, it is evil. It is sorcery and it is anti-Christ. To be honest, I find it disconcerting that some, like Jonathan Cahn, actually, keep referring to the Zohar and to the Talmud as if the allusions in those texts have any relevance to Christians. Nothing there has anything to do with Jesus Christ. It is a strange syncretism. There is nothing in the demonology of the rabbis that can point to Christ. We must pray for the children of Israel that God, who loves them for the sake of their forbears, will enlighten them to abandon their false “King Messiah” and come to know the true Adon, Yeshua Ha-Mashiach. This was the hope of Paul, and this is our fervent hope, too.

  14. Ray,

    Please note that “abolish” means the same thing as “destroy”, “void” and “overthrow.” It means the opposite of “establish”, “sustain”, and “continue.”

    Synonyms:
    abrogate, annihilate, annul, axe(informal) blot out, cancel, destroy, do away with, eliminate, end, eradicate, expunge, exterminate, extinguish, extirpate, invalidate, nullify, obliterate, overthrow, overturn, put an end to, quash, repeal, repudiate, rescind, revoke, stamp out, subvert, suppress, terminate, vitiate, void, wipe out

    Antonyms:
    authorize, continue, create, establish, found, institute, introduce, legalize, promote, reinstate, reintroduce, restore, revive, sustain

    Source: http://dictionary.reverso.net/english-synonyms/abolish

    The contrasts in the following verses of scripture should convince you that neither Messiah nor our faith abolishes and/or makes void the law, but quite the opposite.

    Mt 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. KJV

    Mt 5:17 “think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them. RSV

    Ro 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. KJV

    Ro 3:31 do we then overthrow the law by this faith? by no means! on the contrary, we uphold the law. RSV

    I fully accept what the passages above say…that the law is not abolished, but rather upheld and kept. I am not reacting to the word “abolish”…you are falsely accusing Paul and Messiah of teaching that the law has been abolished, made void, destroyed, and overthrown. There have always been false witnesses that do this.

    Ac 6:13 And set up false witnesses, which said, This man ceaseth not to speak blasphemous words against this holy place, and the law:
    14 For we have heard him say, that this Jesus of Nazareth shall destroy this place, and shall change the customs which Moses delivered us.

    Ac 21:24 Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave their heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law…
    27 And when the seven days were almost ended, the Jews which were of Asia, when they saw him in the temple, stirred up all the people, and laid hands on him,
    28 Crying out, Men of Israel, help: This is the man, that teacheth all men every where against the people, and the law, and this place: and further brought Greeks also into the temple, and hath polluted this holy place.

    Ac 25:7 And when he was come, the Jews which came down from Jerusalem stood round about, and laid many and grievous complaints against Paul, which they could not prove.
    8 While he answered for himself, Neither against the law of the Jews, neither against the temple, nor yet against Caesar, have I offended any thing at all.

    Shalom

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