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There’s no difference between the wrongful death of Walter Scott and Michael Brown, except Brown may have been taking steps toward the police officer instead of running away when the final shots were fired, and there was no video of the Brown killing.
Some say if there had been a video camera that recorded the shooting death of Michael Brown that officer Wilson would have been indicted. I’d like to think so, but look what happened in the Eric Garner case.
One thing is certain. These police shootings reveal the cancer of racism and the how little our society seems to value human life, especially black human life.
Well put Amy. This has been a great concern of mine within the Christian community, wherein we cry aloud against abortion (and rightfully so); however as a whole there is silence and even division when it comes to racism. Where is the solidarity when it comes to the innocent outside of the womb.
It’s interesting to note how revival fires spread throughout America from the extension of the Azusa Street outpouring in the early 1900’s, headed by both a black and white leader coming together, thus breaking down all of the walls that divide to the glory of G-d.
The unexpected was performed by G-d’s sovereign hand back then, and I believe that the next great awakening in America will happen in such a manner once again. It will be with the unexpected, and in such a glorious way that G-d will shake up the religious establishment and confound the wise.
“Someone has said that at Pentecost God set the Church at Jerusalem on fire and the whole city came out to see it burn. I tell you if that happened in any church today, within hours the whole of the town would be out to see the burning, and they would be caught in the flames.”
Duncan Campbell –
The Price and Power of Revival
Brian and Amy,
Let’s remember that blacks are just as racist as whites. It always sounds like the accusation is only against whites…probably because the mainstream media concentrates almost exclusively on stories that point out white racism. The world and the mainstream media are also constantly making it look like Israel is racist against Arabs but sugar coats the racism of Arabs against Jews. I have a funny feeling that the network news reporters slant their coverage against whites, Jews, and Christians and covers up many stories and statistics that show the prejudice against these groups. The media makes it look like Christians are evil concerning their stance on homosexual marriage and not being pro choice. Do you really think that they are giving true testimony or equal time to the other side of racism? Be sure to have equal weights and measures in your approach to this topic. It is wrong to take up an offense and it is bearing false witness to only tell one side of the story.
Shalom
Brian,
I remember that you never did tell us if you voted for Obama. You were coy and evasive. It would still be good for you to just simply answer the question.
Shalom
I wrote:
“The truth is that who we vote for shows how much we value the truth. The reasons that we compromise truth and vote for someone despite their stands on abortion and same sex marriage, etc. is very telling about what we really value more than YHWH’s word.
Shalom” -http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2015/03/23/the-contemporary-american-gospel-israel-and-america-and-more-thoughts-on-stewardship/#comment-1778431
Bo,
Let me address your second post first, since you deem it necessary to carry your beef over to this thread… For context sake, another person posted an alleged quote from President Obama. Upon reading it, I thought that to be quite alarming, wherein I thought that to be quite alarming coming from a sitting president. I asked the person to supply the source. Upon doing so, it was revealed that the post was not the words of the President, and that the context was completely out of line.
So in comes Bo, wanting to know who I voted for, because you stated that it would help you to try and see my motive. I told you that this was about truth and accuracy of the post and who I voted for was not the issue at all. Several other posters also responded to you attempting to help you to understand that this was not the issue. Hence, because you refused to comprehend this basic understanding I thought it best to leave you to yourself, because you added absolutely nothing of value to the dialogue at all.
Now, because of your bullish mannerisms, you’ve chosen to bring your issues to another thread, which leaves me with two choices on this matter: Continue to engage in dialogue that does not profit; or yield to a contentious man in his folly… I choose the former.
Bo,
Regarding your first posting, would you please demonstrate where I’ve stated that the only racism that I referred to was only against black people? I think it to be quite interesting that you’ve brought in Jewish exploitation and Christian exploitation in tandem with white racism. Your example is quite asinine and begs the comparison. If you believe that the acts of racism have been falsely reported by the media, then please provide the evidence so that equal weights and measures can be exercised.
You said, “Blacks are just as racist as whites”. It appears that you are ignorant as to what racism is. Racism involves the exercise of power over another race, not just a prejudiced opinion; hence, for you to make such a statement only demonstrates that you don’t know the history of America, nor the issues that many face in this present day. Hatred towards another human being on the grounds of one’s skin tone is sin, and stands as murder in the eyes of G-d. Racism is sin by the arm of any perpetrator, and that is the issue. Again, solidarity seems to always be a problem when it comes to this topic, and you are a prime example, once again.
Shame that this thread about revival has devolved to the level of accusations against what I can only assume are fellow believers. The Scott shooting was clearly a case of police brutality. Why do we have to go to race..always?? A cop who abuses his authority in such a heinous why is probably just a bad person, maybe a racist or maybe just an equal opportunity offender. For the record I think the Michael Brown case was clearly different. Michael Brown assaulted a job clerk and stole an item. Im thinking the young Mr. Brown was just bad person but maybe I should change my mind and think that he would have cooperated and not assualted that cop had the cop been black. See how silly that sounds. “We wrestle not against people”, I think that includes all races. This thread shows how badly we need revival.
Franklin,
I appreciate your sentiments regarding the off topic conversation, as I do agree with you. I offer my apologies to all of the readers for the engagement.
Notwithstanding, it seems a bit odd that you would admonish the participants and then turn and engage in the very same dialogue making yourself equally as guilty.
Shalom
Brian,
the quote about the president came from Jack Van Ipe
tv program and Mr Obama meant just what was said by Van Ipe . Mr Obama has said plenty about Christians at the prayer breakfast in fact is not a Christian but a Deist not holding to Christ as being part of the Trinity. Now as far as my feelings I believe Mr Obama is an instigator and a quarrelsome man .While there are Christians being murdered by Muslims he said very little if any thing at all but yet he sings praises for Muslims Should you be ranting on about petty things. I do not think you are willing to see Mr Obama for what he is. now pleas put this to rest.
Brian,
Too bad you can not just answer simple questions, but must resort to name calling and rhetoric.
Shalom
Brain,
Your definition of racism is not the one I encountered when doing a google search.
“Racism:-the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one’s own race is superior.”
You wrote:
“It appears that you are ignorant as to what racism is. Racism involves the exercise of power over another race, not just a prejudiced opinion; hence, for you to make such a statement only demonstrates that you don’t know the history of America, nor the issues that many face in this present day.”
Your definition and your animosity are indicative of a political agenda and that you have taken up an offense. Maybe you are a black man and maybe you voted for Obama. Maybe you are emotionally attached to this subject instead of dealing with it objectively. Your rhetoric and accusations do not bode well for your love of the truth.
Shalom
Yes, I believe we need a great awakening.
Brain R, At first I didnt see your point but on rereading my post I suppose that you could count my criticism of “always going to race” as a shot against those who did, therefore doing what I complained about. Im sorry, I should have been clearer. It isnt criticism that I am against, just the name calling. I only meant to offer an alternative theory to the cops motivation. I think we should just stick with the Scott case as I see vast agreement on it. To compare it to Michael Brown muddies the water. Even without video evidence the majority of witnesses, most of whom were black (I am told that is important to motive!?!?!) backed up the cops story. Brown and Scott/Apples and Oranges. We ought to be more careful before logging accusations of racism, because race issues are important considering the history of our nation. If everything looks like racism, then nothing looks like racism.
Brian,
I wrote:
“Let’s remember that blacks are just as racist as whites. It always sounds like the accusation is only against whites…probably because the mainstream media concentrates almost exclusively on stories that point out white racism.”
To which you responded:
“Regarding your first posting, would you please demonstrate where I’ve stated that the only racism that I referred to was only against black people?”
An unbiased reading of my statement would conclude that I did not assert that you had intended to say that racism was only one way. You took my statement as an attack…which it was not.
The strange thing is that you go on to say:
“It appears that you are ignorant as to what racism is. Racism involves the exercise of power over another race, not just a prejudiced opinion; hence, for you to make such a statement only demonstrates that you don’t know the history of America, nor the issues that many face in this present day.”
Your above statement seems to show that you do think that racism in our country is only, or at least mostly against blacks. So, it seems to me that you speak out of both sides of your mouth. You want us to think that you have an equal view of racism on the side of both white and black people, but you stress only the racism against blacks.
You inadvertently show your emotional involvement in this issue when you resort to insults. Words like “asinine” and “bullish mannerisms” and “contentious man in his folly.”
I think that you should apologize.
Shalom
It seems to me as if the message of the cross is about putting others on it, rather than something that ought to be carried by us, at least in practice.
Bo,
You said, “Let’s remember that blacks are just as racist as whites.”
I can’t remember what isn’t true. Please understand the sociological definition of racism. There’s been no long, bloody history of systemic, institutional racism against whites by blacks in the U.S. Imagine my German ancestors saying, “Let’s remember that Jews are just as racist as Germans. Anti-Semitism is a trumped up charge by the liberal media that’s always reminding us of the Holocaust with its six million figure that’s probably bogus and the endless chant ‘never again.’ Enough already with the victim mentality. Get over it!”
Christians should study slavery and its consequences. We still have Americans who think blacks are inferior to whites, even in the church. There was a time in this country when Christians believed blacks don’t have souls and were designed by God for enslavement. Blacks were compared to monkey or apes, and they still are (see link). Christians are promoting segregation and banning interracial marriage on the Internet. Do you really think we’ve moved beyond our history of race-based hatred against blacks? There’s been some improvement but we have a long way to go.
Racism against blacks is deeply embedded in our American culture. It has a long, bloody history that’s still being written. This nation was birthed in it centuries before the modern mainstream media.
So, let’s not be uninformed or sidestep the issue by blaming talking heads on TV. There’s an elephant in the room and the media only sees its tail. We’ve all heard only one side – the white side – for too long. It’s about time we heard the black side so we’ll repent. God sees the whole picture. He’s exposing this national sin to drive us to our knees.
http://www.authentichistory.com/diversity/african/3-coon/6-monkey/
Franklin,
The Brown and Scott cases are basically the same. Both black men were unarmed and fleeing on foot while shot at by white police officers.
If officer Wilson had been a better shot, Brown would have been hit in the back several times. It makes no difference that Brown stole from a convenience store before he was killed or supposedly attacked the police officer that killed him. The only question is whether or not there was a justifiable use of deadly force and, in both cases, there clearly was not.
The bottom line is Brown and Scott would be alive today if they were allowed to run and the officers waited for back-up. Neither of them did anything worthy of death.
These shootings show how badly we need revival. We need a nationwide spiritual awakening to repentance and brotherly love.
Amy,
I appreciate your heart in regards to revival and racial equality and I agree with some of your points in the last two posts, however my point still stands. You have advocated for blacks as a victim and in your statement to Ray you accused in a blanket way “Christians” of claiming black people “don’t have souls” and were “designed..for enslavement”. Notice that, in your statement there was no modifier in regards to the amount of Christians who did this. This is the type of rhetoric that we need to be careful of. The Gospel has been abused by evil people from its inception. I dont think anyone is “sidestepping” the issue but if you continue to lump individuals into neat groups and then condemn those groups outright, how are you not thinking similarly to those who treated black people so terribly in the past and still today? I read the autobiography of Fredrick Douglas and his experience highlighted your point but he ends his book glorifying the Gospel, not by lumping all Christians together in a racist boat.
Amy,
And in regards to the comparison of the Brown and Scott cases, you do a disservice to Mr. Scott who by all accounts was decent person. Mr. Brown on the other hand, was a violent person based on his recent activity at the store, his rap lyrics and his assault on officer Wilson. Mr. Brown, unlike Mr. Scott, acted in a violent way toward the officer involved. If Mr. Brown was able to get officer Wilsons gun then it would be officer Wilson who would be dead and those of us outside the St. Louis area would likely not have heard of the incident. You claim Michael Brown was running away, and that is just NOT what happened. He didnt turn around and go after the office after shots were fired, shots were fired after he advanced. Most of the witnesses agreed with the officer and the DOJ report confirmed it. Once again, my point stands..no comparison.
Franklin,
“You have advocated for blacks as a victim and in your statement to Ray you accused in a blanket way “Christians” of claiming black people “don’t have souls” and were “designed..for enslavement”. Notice that, in your statement there was no modifier in regards to the amount of Christians who did this. This is the type of rhetoric that we need to be careful of.”
What we need to be careful of is ignorance of American history, the history of slavery, the history of black Americans, and what racism is – its foundational beliefs, etc.
When slavery was legal, Christians of all denominations, in general, believed the lies of scientific, biological racism. They believed blacks were created by God as biologically inferior to whites. They believed blacks were just a notch above apes. They debated if blacks had souls or not, and many didn’t think they did. These are simply the historical facts of the slave era, not rhetoric. Of course not all Christians believed this. The abolitionist movement had a lot of Christians in it, so I’m certainly not lumping all Christians together. However, it was true of most. We fought a horrific bloody war over this, remember? There was a reason the southern states wanted to break away from the Union. They were making mega bucks off the backs of slaves. Cotton was as lucrative as oil is today. Scientific racism soothed their guilty consciences.
As to the Scott & Brown cases, I stand by what I said – they are similar. I read the grand jury testimony transcripts. You have caricatured Brown as a “violent man” based on a convenience store video and conflicting eye witness testimony of what happened at Wilson’s vehicle. That’s bad enough, but you also smeared him as violent based on the kind of music he listened to, and that’s pathetic stereotyping.
“You claim Michael Brown was running away, and that is just NOT what happened.”
That is what happened. They both ran from the vehicle after Brown was shot in the hand. Dorian Johnson’s testimony has been consistent throughout and was corroborated by at least 11 eye witnesses on this one fact: Wilson shot at Brown while he was running away. There were 12 shots fired – 2 at the car and 10 on the street – and only 6 hit Brown, because while Brown was fleeing, Wilson fired at him and missed, except possibly his arm. One of the bullets hit his right forearm and may have been received while he was running away or after he turned around, but there’s no way of knowing, according to the forensic testimony.
We don’t know if Brown ever tried to grab Wilson’s gun. That’s a he said/she said between two men, Wilson and Johnson. The tests done on the gun weren’t for fingerprints but for DNA only (both tests can’t be done because one destroys the other). Of course Brown’s DNA was on the gun because he was shot in the hand at very close range. However, there’s no physical evidence that Brown tried to grab Wilson’s gun and no eye witness testimony to it. The witnesses saw a struggle between them but no one saw Brown *initially* grab Wilson’s gun. We have Wilson’s word on that specific detail of the event and Johnson’s word, and Johnson said Brown reached for the gun.
“If Mr. Brown was able to get officer Wilsons gun then it would be officer Wilson who would be dead and those of us outside the St. Louis area would likely not have heard of the incident.”
What? Are you kidding? If a young black man killed a white police officer, with the officer’s firearm, it would be all over the news in less than 60 seconds! It would be in our faces for days and days, a front page story we couldn’t escape if we tried.
https://cdn1.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/2495742/table-finalfinalup4.0.png
Correction…Johnson said Brown *never* reached for the gun.
Amy,
I didnt want this to devolve into name calling but let me just say that it is you who is doing the “pathetic stereotyping” when it comes to lumping Christians together as racists. I spoke about a INDIVIDUAL and NOT about the music he LISTENS to but what HE WROTE ABOUT AND RAPPED ABOUT!!!!! AGAIN HIS LYRICS ARE VIOLENT!!! Here let me QUOTE him “My favorite part of killing people is when they hit the ground.” See this link, it gets even worse. I wouldnt feel right copying and pasting his words here…
http://www.youngcons.com/michael-brown-made-some-very-graphic-rap-songs-and-the-lyrics-are-troubling/
See this link in regards to your last comment..
http://www.breitbart.com/california/2014/08/30/57-police-officers-were-fatally-shot-by-unarmed-suspects/
See this link in regards to facts about the Michael Brown case..
http://www.cnsnews.com/mrctv-blog/curtis-kalin/10-key-facts-ferguson-grand-jury-discovered
Again Mr. Scott deserves better than to be lumped in (or shall say stereotyped) with Mr. Brown.
Franklin, you have railed against an *innocent* young black American, Michael Brown, who was shot dead for no reason at all by a white police officer. Why? You really need to examine your heart for prejudice and hatred against blacks.
Amy,
You comment above shows your bias and your lack of objectivity. Franklin has not railed at all. But you seem to be railing against any that disagree with you. You also seem to rail against the grand jury. Be careful.
Jude
8 Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities.
1Co 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
Shalom
Bo,
I’ve read you here for quite a while now. I could easily say the same of you, if I were of that disposition, but I am not. I could say that your posts, in general, reveal a lack objectivity and bias. And I could tell you to “be careful.”
In my own defense, I haven’t railed against the grand jury. I believe the testimony of the witnesses, which unfortunately was deemed not enough to indict. However, I believe even the witnesses that disagreed with each other were in agreement that deadly force was unnecessary. The only human being who thinks that deadly force was necessary is the shooter.
The verses you shared don’t apply to me. I think it would be a good idea if you ceased your judgmental finger pointing.
Ephesians 4:25 – “Therefore, having put away falsehood, let each one of you speak the truth with his neighbor, for we are members one of another.”
Amy,
Whatever…I didn’t think that you would be able to receive any correction. The only finger pointing has been from you at the grand jury, at the police officer, at Franklin, and at me.
Shalom
Bo said, “Whatever…I didn’t think that you would be able to receive any correction. The only finger pointing has been from you at the grand jury, at the police officer, at Franklin, and at me.”
This is false accusation.
I don’t need to be “corrected” simply because I don’t agree with you, Bo.
Many people agree with me about what happened that day Michael Brown was killed. You’re not one of them. Does that make you right?
Are you always right?
I think you think you’re always right. At least that’s how you come across on here.
But, like you said, whatever.
Amy,
I guess you just proved that you think that you are always right. Many more people agree with me about the subject. And the ones that heard all the testimony and saw all the evidence agree with me. And you rail against the rulers of your people. But like I said, whatever.
Shalom
Amy, people react really badly to the idea that the curse of racism persists in American society.In my own nation, class prejudice and inverted snobbery infest our nation and our churches. Moves of the Spirit are resisted when they are seen in working-class communities, leadership is seen to be the rightful role of the upper and upper-middle classes (NB Middle class in the UK means upscale). We don’t like to admit it, and as long as we do, God can’t work with us. In fact, we make money by exporting TV dramas that glory in the injustice of the past, eg Downton Abbey.
The reaction you’ve had is a sign that there is still strong resistance to admitting cultural sins peculiar to your nation. I am not referring to the details of Michael Brown’s death, but your wider, initial observations — which were immediately criticised.
I would not allow your main point about the persistence of racism to be sidetracked by a re-run of the Ferguson event. Whatever happened that day, God used evil for good. The administration of the town came under scrutiny, and those dreadful emails revealed some things that needed to be seen
Anthea,
Im not sure anyone here on the other side of this issue from Amy has “resisted admitting cultural sins” nor would I think that this sin is “peculiar” to our nation. I have disputed broad based condemnation of Christians as racist and whether it makes sense to compare Mr. Brown to Mr. Scott. I could say so much more but what is the point when facts are just ignored in favor of motive accusations. I wish everyone was judged as individuals by their actions, words and deeds instead of grouped into categories by external appearances in order to assign motive. Ill end my side with this; racism still exists and I think we just disagree on the details. I’m out…Peace.
Anthea,
Thanks for weighing in from across the pond. You are right in your observation that there is still strong resistance here against admitting ongoing racism. Ferguson only exposed it, which is what God will continue to do until there is repentance in the church.
This thread revealed that people who won’t even acknowledge the sins of the past are doomed to repeat them and cover them with fig leaves.
Bo,
You have no evidence to support your claim that the all the witnesses, or Americans, “agree with you.” Agree with you on what? Assertion doesn’t make it true, Bo. And besides, to be honest, I don’t trust your knowledge or discernment. Aren’t you monopolizing the comment section to promote the unbiblical idea that we must keep the Law to be saved, even the dietary restrictions? I’m relieved the church as a whole rejects that as false teaching!
Amy,
The problem isn’t really racism amongst white police officers. It is largely black inner-city culture to blame. As long as blacks prove that there culture produces more violent crime, there will be justified suspicion against them. This is not white racism. It is a black cancer. It is a curable disease that continues to exist because of liberal propaganda and entitlement attitudes. Some of your statements seem to be along these lines.
Please consider the following:
“Today blacks are about 13 percent of the population and continue to be responsible for an inordinate amount of crime. Between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the United States. The black arrest rate for most offenses — including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes — is still typically two to three times their representation in the population. Blacks as a group are also overrepresented among persons arrested for so-called white-collar crimes such as counterfeiting, fraud and embezzlement. And blaming this decades-long, well-documented trend on racist cops, prosecutors, judges, sentencing guidelines and drug laws doesn’t cut it as a plausible explanation…
Black people are not shooting each other at these alarming rates in Chicago and other urban areas because of our gun laws or our drug laws or a criminal justice system that has it in for them. The problem is primarily cultural — self-destructive behaviors and attitudes all too common among the black underclass. The problem is black criminal behavior, which is one manifestation of a black pathology that ultimately stems from the breakdown of the black family. Liberals want to talk about what others should do for blacks instead of what blacks should do for themselves. But if we don’t acknowledge the cultural barriers to black progress, how can we address them? How can you even begin to fix something that almost no one wants to talk about honestly?”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/21/family-secret-what-the-left-wont-tell-you-about-bl/
Amy,
You misrepresent me and the topic at hand.
You wrote:
“You have no evidence to support your claim that the all the witnesses, or Americans, “agree with you.” Agree with you on what? Assertion doesn’t make it true, Bo.”
You are not reading carefully. You are accusing me falsely. You are blinded by your emotions. I never said that “all” Americans or that all the witnesses agree with me. I wrote, ” Many more people agree with me about the subject. And the ones that heard all the testimony and saw all the evidence agree with me.”
You wrote:
“Aren’t you monopolizing the comment section to promote the unbiblical idea that we must keep the Law to be saved, even the dietary restrictions?”
No, not at all. You obviously have not read what I write closely. Probably your emotions are getting in the way again. I have never said that anyone must keep any law to be saved. We are saved by grace through faith. Those that are saved by Y’shua are to saved unto good works that were ordained and written before in YHWH’s word.
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
1Jo 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Jam 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Those that call themselves saved by grace that do not want to keep YHWH’s word, deceive themselves.
Shalom
Amy,
You wrote:
“Assertion doesn’t make it true, Bo.”
Amen Amy. So practice what you preach and stop asserting things about me that are not true.
Shalom
Bo said, “The problem isn’t really racism amongst white police officers. It is largely black inner-city culture to blame.”
Baloney. Almost every day in the news we hear of another victim of police brutality. Freddie Gray, an innocent black man, now dead because white police officers in Baltimore broke his neck, is the latest of countless examples.
There is no reason for you to be uninformed and ignorant. Anyone can look up the statistics. Even the DOJ refutes you. Do you realize that? You’re engaging in classic “blaming the black victim” for white racism.
“You are not reading carefully. You are accusing me falsely. You are blinded by your emotions.”
Bo, it’s a two-way street. Please read me carefully and stop accusing me falsely. No one should be blinded by emotions or racial bias.
“Those that call themselves saved by grace that do not want to keep YHWH’s word, deceive themselves.”
Gentile believers that obey the words of Jesus aren’t deceived. We enjoy pork, the other white meat. We like lobster with melted garlic butter, too. These foods are no problem for mature believers who know the truth. This is only an issue for weaker brethren bound by legalism.
So, if you’re having trouble in this area, please listen to Dr. Brown. Do you agree with him? Listen to his answer to Scott on April 20, 2015 during the last half hour.
Amy,
Show us where these facts are wrong:
“Today blacks are about 13 percent of the population and continue to be responsible for an inordinate amount of crime. Between 1976 and 2005 blacks committed more than half of all murders in the United States. The black arrest rate for most offenses — including robbery, aggravated assault and property crimes — is still typically two to three times their representation in the population. Blacks as a group are also overrepresented among persons arrested for so-called white-collar crimes such as counterfeiting, fraud and embezzlement. And blaming this decades-long, well-documented trend on racist cops, prosecutors, judges, sentencing guidelines and drug laws doesn’t cut it as a plausible explanation…
Black people are not shooting each other at these alarming rates in Chicago and other urban areas because of our gun laws or our drug laws or a criminal justice system that has it in for them. The problem is primarily cultural — self-destructive behaviors and attitudes all too common among the black underclass. The problem is black criminal behavior, which is one manifestation of a black pathology that ultimately stems from the breakdown of the black family. Liberals want to talk about what others should do for blacks instead of what blacks should do for themselves. But if we don’t acknowledge the cultural barriers to black progress, how can we address them? How can you even begin to fix something that almost no one wants to talk about honestly?”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/21/family-secret-what-the-left-wont-tell-you-about-bl/
Amy,
For your reading enjoyment:
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/hood.htm
Amy,
A small excerpt:
” The best and most complete evidence comes from the Justice Department. Its annual National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS) canvasses a representative sample of about 80,000 Americans, from roughly 43,000 households. From this survey, a picture of crime is painted by its victims. The last full report of the NCVS was issued in 1994. From it we learn that blacks committed 1,600,951 violent crimes against whites. In the same year, whites committed 165,345 such offenses against blacks. Despite being only 13 percent of the population, blacks committed more than 90 percent of the violent interracial crime. Less than 15 percent of these had robbery as a motive. The rest were assaults and rapes.
The asymmetry of interracial crime goes still deeper. More than half the violence committed by blacks is directed against whites, 57 percent in 1994. Less than 3 percent of the violence committed by whites is directed against blacks. Population and NCVS statistics reveal that in 1994 a black was 64 times more likely to attack a white than vice versa. In the city, the races live mostly apart from one another, so that the most convenient victims of thugs are others of the same race. Only a hunter’s mentality could account for the data. Given a choice, a black thug will select a white victim. Ironically, so will a white thug.”
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/hood.htm
Amy,
You grossly misrepresented my comments. You are either biased or purposely deceitful.
Let’s look again at what you said I said and what I actually said. An apology from you should be forthcoming.
I wrote:
“Many more people agree with me about the subject. And the ones that heard all the testimony and saw all the evidence agree with me.”
You wrote:
“You have no evidence to support your claim that the all the witnesses, or Americans, “agree with you.”
As you can see, I did not say what you say I said. I did not say that all witnesses or all Americans agree with me. Those that heard all the witnesses (the grand jury) agree with me. I said that many more Americans agree with me, not all. Both of my statements are true. I never claimed that “all” Americans or “all” the witnesses agree with me.
Your statement is deceitful, untrue, and classic reputation smearing. It is all the things that politicians do the best. Then you bring up a topic that does not apply to the situation to try to smear my reputation further. Shame on you. When will you repent and apologize?
I listened to Dr. Brown’s response to Scott. It was not as good as you think. You are biased by your belief. And have proven that you are biased about racism and biased against me. I seriously doubt that you want to or be able to listen to both sides of the argument on keeping YHWH’s commandments. Your track record shows us that you would not likely be objective about it. It is not racism that I say this. It is logical deduction.
Shalom
Amy,
Just wondering if you have read the links that I posted.
Shalom
Amy,
You wrote:
“Gentile believers that obey the words of Jesus aren’t deceived. We enjoy pork, the other white meat. We like lobster with melted garlic butter, too. These foods are no problem for mature believers who know the truth. This is only an issue for weaker brethren bound by legalism.
So, if you’re having trouble in this area, please listen to Dr. Brown. Do you agree with him? Listen to his answer to Scott on April 20, 2015 during the last half hour.”
No doubt you enjoy pork and crab legs. People that call themselves believers enjoy homosexual lifestyles too. Just because a believer enjoys something doesn’t make it righteous, just, good and spiritual.
If it is only a problem for weaker brothers bound by legalism, why did Paul, Peter, James and John never eat them? Why do all these apostles indicate that breaking the law is still sin? Why are many New Testament passages that warn us against uncleanness? Could it be that “Churchianity” has been deceived?
I listened to the broadcast that you refer to. I posted a response here:
http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2015/04/20/when-to-divide-and-when-to-unite-and-the-failure-of-the-secular-gospel/#comment-1812915
There are a few more posts of mine following that one. You might want to read them.
Shalom
Bo,
First, I don’t owe you an apology. I stand by what I said on the killing of Michael Brown.
Second, the topic isn’t black on black crime. It’s police brutality and specifically the unnecessary use of deadly force against innocent black Americans.
Third, your comments about the “black underclass” and “black pathology” (whatever that is) expose an ignorant, racist attitude and a lack of understanding and education on race in America.
Fourth, eating lobster is righteous, just, good and spiritual. There’s nothing sinful about having a bacon, egg & cheese sandwich for breakfast, regardless of what you’ve been taught. I’m not interested in reading your opinion on the dietary laws because you’re clearly confused in this one area. Comparing eating pork with homosexuality is ridiculous.
Remember how this started – I disagreed with you, you became upset, then you falsely accused me of railing against people. I still disagree with you and that’s not going to change.
Why do you persist in your personal attacks? That’s a fair question. Think about it because something isn’t right. Ask yourself why.
“Young black males in recent years were at a far greater risk of being shot dead by police than their white counterparts – 21 times greater, according to a ProPublica analysis of federally collected data on fatal police shootings.”
http://www.propublica.org/article/deadly-force-in-black-and-white
Let’s try for a third time Amy. You need to apologize.
Amy, you have proved my points about you. I did not ask for an apology for what you said about the Michael Brown killing. You must be purposefully trying to malign me. Here is what I posted:
“You grossly misrepresented my comments. You are either biased or purposely deceitful.
Let’s look again at what you said I said and what I actually said. An apology from you should be forthcoming.
I wrote:
“Many more people agree with me about the subject. And the ones that heard all the testimony and saw all the evidence agree with me.”
You wrote:
“You have no evidence to support your claim that the all the witnesses, or Americans, “agree with you.”
As you can see, I did not say what you say I said. I did not say that all witnesses or all Americans agree with me. Those that heard all the witnesses (the grand jury) agree with me. I said that many more Americans agree with me, not all. Both of my statements are true. I never claimed that “all” Americans or “all” the witnesses agree with me.”
You see Amy, you tried to make others think that I said something that I didn’t. You are doing the same again.
You wrote:
“Second, the topic isn’t black on black crime. It’s police brutality and specifically the unnecessary use of deadly force against innocent black Americans.
Third, your comments about the “black underclass” and “black pathology” (whatever that is) expose an ignorant, racist attitude and a lack of understanding and education on race in America.”
I did not personally write anything about black on black crime or black underclass. I posted quotes from a couple of sources hoping that you would click on the link and see the fallacy of your prejudice. You should read these two articles and show us statistics that prove them wrong.
http://www.lagriffedulion.f2s.com/hood.htm
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jul/21/family-secret-what-the-left-wont-tell-you-about-bl/
There is obviously good reasons why blacks are more suspect than whites. They commit vastly more crime. It is not racism. It is fact. This fact shows that it is not racism that necessarily motivates the use of force against blacks that are confronted by the police. It can be seen as fact based caution. I am not excusing excessive force on anyone.
Your wrote:
“Remember how this started – I disagreed with you, you became upset, then you falsely accused me of railing against people. I still disagree with you and that’s not going to change.”
A close look at the posts above show that you are the one that became upset and emotional. You are the one that continues to accuse.
And you proved that you are not interested in hearing the other side of any story. Weather it is about eating unclean animals or about the grand jury. There is no reason to continue this conversation, because your emotions are already made up.
There is a good reason why blacks are more likely to be shot. They commit vastly more violent crimes percentage wise and resist officers more. This is probably the main reason. Racism is probably a very minute amount of the problem.
Shalom
Bo,
I haven’t proved your points about me and I don’t need to apologize.
Your claim that I’ve done what you did to me is a common tactic on social media. In psychology it’s called projection. I forgive you.
You said I tried to make others think that you said something that you didn’t say because I used the word “all” instead of “many.” Is that it? Is that what you’re stuck on? If so, that’s pharisaical, like straining a gnat and swallowing a camel in the process. I forgive you.
You said, “Many more people agree with me about the subject. And the ones that heard all the testimony and saw all the evidence agree with me.”
Many more people don’t agree with you on the subject. On this we disagree.
And the ones that heard all the testimony also don’t agree with you on the *one point* in question (see #1, #19 and #22) which was this: Brown was shot at while fleeing, as at least 11 witnesses testified.
I’ve already heard the other side of the story on the dietary laws. My understanding of the Word of God on this is based on sound teaching from mature men of God, not on my emotions.
I didn’t become upset and emotional. I’m sorry you won’t let this drop though – that’s what I find somewhat upsetting.
You said, “There is a good reason why blacks are more likely to be shot. They commit vastly more violent crimes percentage wise and resist officers more. This is probably the main reason. Racism is probably a very minute amount of the problem.”
This is one of the most ignorant and racist statements I’ve heard recently.
Bo, you demanded an apology from me for a slight offence. Why is that? Please think it over and pray about it.
I hope you’re ready to let this go now. But, if not, I forgive you.
Maybe some here have some sort of greater revelation than the apostle Paul, or some greater experience with the Lord on their Sabbath days or something, as if Paul was some sort of spiritual novice or something compared to them.
When he wrote the church in Galatia, it wasn’t about the joys of Sabbath keeping or not eating lobster was it? It was about the gospel instead.
Amy,
Your post above proves my points again. You try to downplay your false statements. It is not a slight error to claim that I said “all” when I said many or more. It was purposeful and that makes it even worse.
The Grand Jury decided that there was not enough evidence to bring the case to trial. That means that there was not enough evidence that was in Brown’s favor. And none of my comments are racist. Just facts about who commits most violent crimes per capita…especially in the inner cities. You can ignore the fact if you like. You can ignore the scriptures if you like.
You are so very generous to pretend to forgive me when I have done nothing to be forgiven of by you. You are using your liberal tactics to try to make it look like you have done nothing wrong and to shift the blame to me. You could just practice what you preach and drop it.
Shalom
If more African Americans get shot by police because statistically more African Americans are involved in crime and resistance to police arrests, it’s only a good reason this happens, if the individual commits the crime worthy of the police shooting, otherwise, it doesn’t add up. It’s just as wrong, no matter what ethnicity.
Yes, if the crimes happened a lot less, it would make the policeman’s job a bit easier, and we certainly might see less arrests go bad.