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Young Earth Creation is biblical yet so is Geocentricity odd thing is these guys “fight” for young Earth because is biblical yet ignore and/or explain away the 281 Geocentric references in The Bible
http://oldpathsbaptistchurch.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/ALL-281-GEOCENTRIC-REFERENCES.pdf
To be fair I’ve only read five pages of the references, and I will continue. But the rationale of the paper is hilarious in the fact that it doesn’t recognize figures of speech, and that the Scriptures are for the most part, spoken from earth centered perspectives, not geocentrism, but from Earths perspective.
Here is one example:
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Gen 28:12 “And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it.”
This verse is geocentric in implication, even though it is a dream. After all, the earth is footstool to the throne of God, and footstools don’t move relative to the throne. The ladder could only be steady if the earth neither rotated nor orbited the sun at 30 km/sec. Also see Jn. 1:51; Zec.10:12; and Isa. 14:13; the ladder is Christ. Jn. 6:62.
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The writer of this paper doesn’t recognize the idioms used in the scriptures. We even use similar terms today with all of our scientific knowledge such as “Wow, look at that Sunrise”. Is the Sun rising? No, but from our perspective, yes. Or dawn, the Sun doesn’t actually ‘dawn’ but from our perspective, it does dawn in the east.
I’m looking forward to reading more to learn more about the internal thinking of the writer.
@Brian,
Reading that document you link to, makes it abundantly clear in the first 30 verses quoted that the organization that produced that material is stretching the meaning of those verses beyond imagination. The only scripture verses that are disputed are the ones in the psalms (2 or 3 or a handful) that Martin Luther sided with. But many Christians in his day and ours, reject those on exegetical reasons primarily and not scientific ones. The Theistic evolutionist and Progressive creationist who argue against a young earth, global flood (no universal word play here; i.e. the entire earth was covered), death and predation of sentient beings only after Adam and Eve sinned, do so for scientific reasons primarily, with IMO very inconsistent exegetical reasons.
Benjamin,
Good post. Dreams, visions, parables and sometimes poetry in scripture should not be taken literally for they have meanings that are quite obviously beyond any literal interpretation. Also figures of speech from another culture or language can be totally misunderstood. And then there are things spoken from an earthly perspective to other earthlings that are not meant to be any scientific statement of fact, but are merely terms of common usage in everyday language. Once all these are taken into consideration, we can begin to actually understand what is and what is not being declared by scripture.
Shalom
Brian,
I just got to page 9 of your link. Do you really think that this guy makes sense and is dealing with what is actually intended by the words of scripture? I quote:
“Deu 30:4
If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
The use of the word “outmost” implies that heaven is bounded. To be driven to the outmost parts of heaven hints of space travel.”
The idiomatic “outmost parts of heaven” is simply a way of communicating that no matter where they are, they will be gathered from there and that no location is excluded. It does not “hint of space travel.”
1Sa 25:22 So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.
Does the above hint at that David intended to question everyone to find out who had done this, or is it an idiom that means those of the male gender? If he and his men had killed one female during the attack, would it be that they were of those that “pisseth aginst the wall”? Though more difficult than for a man, females could accomplish this with a little creativity. But I digress.
The heavens “being bounded” does not mean that the sun revolves around the earth. The earth is the place that YHWH has chosen to put those that are made in His image. This makes it special and at the center of YHWH’s attention, but it does not necessitate that the sun and planets revolve around the earth.
Shalom
Brian,
Your link says:
Josh 10:13 “And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
“Joshua’s Long Day” is a key geocentric verse. If God merely stopped the rotation of the earth so that the sun appeared to stand still would not the oceans of the world over washed the continents? Yet all over the world historic anthropologist have discovered this Biblical account is verified.”
Can YHWH be powerful enough and smart enough to forsee the results of stopping the earth? Can he not hold the waters in the seas and lakes and rivers in place while He stops the earth from rotating?
Shalom
Brian, this should interest you…
“Why the Universe does not revolve around the Earth: Refuting absolute geocentrism”:
http://creation.com/refuting-absolute-geocentrism
Bo, it’s not a matter of “Can YHWH be powerful enough and smart enough to forsee the results of stopping the earth? Can he not hold the waters in the seas and lakes and rivers in place while He stops the earth from rotating?
It’s a matter of what did God actually tell us happened?
“And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed”
I go by what God actually said happened, not by what he could have said instead.
Joshua 10:13 is stating what actually occurred and nowhere in The Bible does anybody get an Earth spinning 1,000+mph and moving through space 66,000+ mph
If Geocentricity is false, then The Bible cannot be trusted and the Gospel in it cannot be trusted.
If Young Earth Creation is false, then The Bible cannot be trusted and the Gospel in it cannot be trusted.
Amy read my comments in the comments section of that article you linked to and learn about Airy’s failure, Michelson Morley Experiment, Sagnac Experiment and Michelson-Gale Experiment The CMB, WMAP and PLANCK data that scientifically point to Earth stationary center mass of entire universe just as The Bible has had it all along.
http://s24.postimg.org/u03dg6485/Neo_Tych_L.gif
There is a diagram of the NEO TYCHONIC COSMOS model updated TYCHO BRAHE model and the only cosmos model that is Biblical while also accounting for all science experiment results and observations in the sky diagram presented by :
Dr Gerardus D. Bouw, PhD (Astronomy).
Brian,
You wrote:
“If Geocentricity is false, then The Bible cannot be trusted and the Gospel in it cannot be trusted.
If Young Earth Creation is false, then The Bible cannot be trusted and the Gospel in it cannot be trusted.”
Your fist statement is not verified by scripture or science. Your second statement is verified by both scientific observation and the scripture. I fully believe in a young earth. I do not see any scripture that states that everything revolves around the earth.
Shalom
Dr. Brown and team,
I am so thankful that you guys did this interview with Robert Carter, and even more that you have enthusiastically endorsed and encouraged people to watch this documentary, Evolution’s Achilles’ Heels. I got copies of the book and DVD for all my family members this Christmas, so I quite agree with the assessment!
God bless you guys,
Nick
Dr Carter and I enjoyed co-writing that paper Why the Universe does not revolve around the Earth: Refuting absolute geocentrism that Amy cited above. We wanted to present an accurate history of the debate as well as analysing both the biblical and scientific issue.
But maybe Brian would like to discuss the points that Drs Brown and Carter discussed in the interview, especially about Evolution’s Achilles Heels book and DVD.