The Dangers of Replacement Theology and Thoroughly Jewish Calls and Insights

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In light of the recent Christ at the Checkpoint conference, Dr. Brown opens up the Scriptures and looks at Church history regarding the dangers of replacement theology. He will also take your Jewish-related calls. Listen live here 2-4 pm EST, and call into the show at (866) 348 7884 with your questions and comments.

 

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Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: The only reason the Jewish people exist on the earth is because God has kept His promises to us even when we were in unbelief! That tells you something about our God!

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Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: Why is it that we want God to deal with the Church with grace, but we expect only justice from God for Israel? Doesn’t make sense does it!

 

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81 Comments
  1. Hi Mike,
    Thankyou for alerting myself and your listeners to this insidious disease that is making an ugly comeback and fostering anti-semitic feeling around the world. You know Mike, I’m really starting to wonder, has God CHANGED? Maybe we’re NOT getting yet. After all I’ve heard Pastors say, “the O.T is passed.” Even though GOD says he will restore Israel. I support your ministry by purchasing your books. Hang in there!!

  2. Dr. Michael Brown = Awesome!

    And let us not grow weary of doing good, for in due season we will reap, if we do not give up. Galatians 6:9

    We love you!

  3. I think I can understand that God may return some land to his people, even if not one of them ever believed in Jesus, because of something he promised, or simply because he is good.

    Is there any verse of scripture that is of benefit to the Jew only, one that no born again member of the body of Christ could get something good from, unless he was a Jew?

    I myself can’t think of any right now.

    And though the Lord Jesus may physically walk the streets of Jerusalem again in his resurrected body, shouldn’t we expect to find him in the Jerusalem which is from above?

  4. Ray,

    The members of Messiah’s bride will rule and reign on earth with Messiah for 1000 years when he returns as the King of Israel. The new Jerusalem will come down from heaven at the end of this when the new heavens and new earth have begun.

    Joh 1:49 Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.
    Joh 12:13 Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.
    Ac 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?

    Revelation 20
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection…
    11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
    1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
    2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

    Shalom

  5. “The members of Messiah’s bride will rule and reign on earth with Messiah for 1000 years when he returns as the King of Israel.”

    > That is wish-thinking gone into orbit. You people will not be ruling anything and neither will your imaginary carpenter/god.

  6. So what exactly are the specific things that would be affected by this “replacement theology” as it’s called, if in fact it were correct theology?

    Are there any specific verses of scripture that we could look at and say, “This for example is one thing that was written, that people of the Replacement Theology group talk about, and they have it wrong.”?

    Or, is this more about how someone said something and then people go off on a spin about it so they have something to talk about?

    I’d like to know exactly what are we talking about when we speak of Replacement Theology, something more than simply trying to define it.

    What real verses in the scripture should we be talking about when we mention the errors of Replacement Theology?

  7. Good job Bo, I see that you put the intellectual terrorist a.k.a. Van on mute!

    Van reread Proverbs 18:2

    Fools find no pleasure in understanding but delight in airing their own opinions.

  8. “Van, are you going to rule anything? Where will you be thousands of years from now?”
    Unlike you I don’t need to entertain a baseless fantasy that I’m going to rule over people who disagreed with me. In thousands of years I’ll be just like I was thousands of years before I was born. And so will you and everybody else. None of your childish fantasies will change that fact.

  9. Van, it’s not up to you to decide where you will be
    , as if you can be whatever or wherever you think you want to be, at whatever time you may wish to be. That decision will be up to Christ who always listens to the Father.

    What you will be and where you will be is up to God, though now is the time when you should decide where you want to be.

    There are two eternal places that I know of, heaven and hell. Nobody will like hell.

  10. Those who would contend that:

    1) The Messiah was a horrible communicator and was incapable of conveying the nature of the Kingdom to His disciples after 40 days of teach, and
    2) The disciples, whose words we trust, were bumbling fools and couldn’t understand the Kingdom even after the Risen King teaches them and then sends them out on their mission….

    These people err on the side of blasphemy.

  11. So how are scripture verses twisted among those who go along with Replacement Theology, and what particular verses are we talking about?

    Wouldn’t we be talking about hundreds if not thousands of verses which give promise to Israel in the Old Testament?

    I would like to look at some of those verses through the lens of Replacement Theology and see how it is viewed by those who are into Replacement Theology.

    That might be a good project for a line of fire program.

  12. And after looking at so many verses through the lens of replacement theology, we might ask ourselves how many Christians view the scripture in that light.

  13. “There are two eternal places that I know of, heaven and hell. Nobody will like hell.

    > Just because you let OTHER PEOPLE frighten you into believing those places exist does not mean that they really do. Beliefs should be based on data and evidence not a bunch of ancient and ridiculous superstitions held by backward people who didn’t know any better. Go ahead, waste your entire life in intellectual servitude to obviously false beliefs. No one cares, least of all me.

  14. Van, if anyone tells you there is no such place as hell, as if no one will suffer eternal torments or damnation, as if there’s no such thing as pain there, (as if a man would turn on a burner on his electric stove and hold his hand there until he smells burning flesh, as if he could even do such a thing) as if there is no reason to worry about the just, and eternal judgment of God for reasons of sin, and that therefore there is no reason for need of a savior from it, you do not have to believe them.

    You don’t have to follow them. You can think for yourself if you want to.

  15. Van, I find it interesting that you should post on these discussion so much. The Holy Spirit is drawing you- yet you push back all the more.

    “servitude to obviously false beliefs”. What makes it so obvious- other than opinions? What is obvious in God’s creation is a witness to His greatness and His love. Moreover everyone is serving somebody. Whom are you serving?

  16. Re Van the intellectual terrorist- his post
    > Just because you let OTHER PEOPLE frighten you into believing those places exist does not mean that they really do. Beliefs should be based on data and evidence not a bunch of ancient and ridiculous superstitions held by backward people who didn’t know any better. Go ahead, waste your entire life in intellectual servitude to obviously false beliefs. No one cares, least of all me.

    Van it is fascinating that you hover around this site. I do not hover around your site which would possibly be a pro homosexual site and look to pick arguments, that would make me in the closet.
    Are you an in the closet Christian? I am just trying to understand your perspective here.

  17. You know I don’t agree with replacement theology in its original form. It was even condemned by many in the church as heresy. But I don’t agree with how some go so far as to present natural Israel as a higher ethnic race, as if there was one. Of course this is rarely said but rather implied. Paul is clear that gods unfolding plan was never intended to be according to the flesh. Paul also states in Romans that not all Jews are Jews and not all Israel is Israel. Yes, all of Israel will be saved but my question is WHO is “all Israel”? Paul seemed quite clear that not all of his people would be saved as he was wishing he could die in their place for their salvation. Didn’t our messiah break down the dividing wall and is he not making “one new man”? BUT HERE IS THE MOST FRUSTRATING PART…that just because I and others are not sure and/or convinced as to what degree the church has inherited His promises doesn’t act as a barometer to how “infected” with replacement theology we are! And just because I don’t know where I stand on the Israel’s many political conflicts doesn’t make me deserving of that accusation as well!! To believe that God is exalting any nation according to the flesh above another is contrary to the message of the gospel especially if said nation is not following Christ and his principles of love. Natural Israel’s branches were broken off from the Root and we were grafted in. God forbid I as a gentile ever get arrogant or anti semetic! I firmly believe that I should always be grateful for the nation of Israel and it is right for my heart to bleed for natural Israel and hope and pray for their salvation! But to claim that those who don’t agree politically, spiritually or biblically(surely none of us can claim to be purely accurate in all of our doctrine) are anti-semetic and/or replacement theology advocates is at best to be overly black and white on the issue. This post should not be taken as a rebuttal against this website, it’s not. Rather to those I’ve met or known who when discussing the issue become reactionary and unable to dialogue without accusing as being anti-semetic or given to replacement theology.

  18. Ray, if anyone tells you there is such a place as hell, as if people will suffer eternal torments or
    damnation, as if there’s such a thing as pain there, (as if a man would turn on a burner on his
    electric stove and hold his hand there until he smells burning flesh, as if he could even do such a thing) as if there is any reason to worry about the supposedly just, and eternal judgment of God
    for reasons of sin, and that therefore there is some absurd reason for need of a savior from it,
    you do not have to believe them.You don’t have to follow them. You can think for yourself if you want to.

    MattB
    “Van, I find it interesting that you should post on these discussion so much. The Holy Spirit is
    drawing you- yet you push back all the more.”

    > If the Holy Spirit is drawing me then it must not be very powerful because I don’t feel a thing. So your argument is hardly convincing since we supposedly have an all-powerful being that can’t even muster enough power to convince me it exists let alone to follow it somewhere.

    ““servitude to obviously false beliefs”. What makes it so obvious- other than opinions? What is
    obvious in God’s creation is a witness to His greatness and His love.”

    >Really? Innocent children suffer and die of starvation everyday by the tens of thousands. There’s a good example of your God’s greatness and especially his love. Oh what a wonderful God you serve. I personally find it impossible to believe that there is any kind of benevolent being in charge of the universe or the affairs on this planet. I find it impossible to believe that things like omnipotence and omniscience exist or could even possibly exist. Think about Man. It just ain’t possible.

    “Moreover everyone is
    serving somebody. Whom are you serving?”

    > My belly.

    “Van it is fascinating that you hover around this site. I do not hover around your site which would possibly be a pro homosexual site and look to pick arguments, that would make me in the closet.
    Are you an in the closet Christian? I am just trying to understand your perspective here.”

    > You can’t be a closet Christian or a lone ranger Christian. You have to be part of a church and you’re supposed to tell everybody what you’ve been told by Christian leaders to believe about Jesus, gun rights and loose young women. Or something like that. I read and post comments on this blog for the same reason you hover around it. I listen to the show sometimes or half of it anyway.

  19. Van, what are you doing to help the starving and suffering children? What kind of person are you, according to your judgment, if in fact you are fair and impartial, not showing favor to one over another?

    Here is a faithful saying: Jesus died to save sinners.

  20. “Van, what are you doing to help the starving and suffering children?”

    > In the metropolitan area where I live about 1 out of 6 to 7 children do not know where their next meal is coming from. So some of us started a program to feed these kids and we can provide food for a child for an entire weekend for under 10 dollars. I do this to help make our community a better place, not because I think there is a God who wants me to or who cares about hungry children.

    “What kind of person are you, according to your judgment, if in fact you are fair and impartial, not showing favor to one over another?”

    > I am a better person with higher moral and ethical standards than any Christian alive or who has ever lived. I could never make an excuse for the rape of young women or the murder of innocent children the way you Christians do all the time.

    “Here is a faithful saying: Jesus died to save
    sinners.”

    > Here’s a true saying: Jesus never existed. And I am absolutely sure that is true.

  21. “I am a better person with higher moral and ethical standards than any Christian alive or who has ever lived.”-Van

    “The truth is incontrovertible, malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end; there it is.”-Winston Churchill

    And one day we, and Van, will find out what the truth is. If Van is right, we will find that we have just lived out our worthless lives in a an insignificant time and place and have done neither good or evil in the grand scheme of things…actually we will never know, we will be gone…and it will not matter that Van or us have existed or that we had this conversation. If the Bible is right, Van will find that he has been terribly wrong and will realize it intensely and unendingly and will eat his words over and over instead of regurgitating them over and over in front of us and leaving the stinking mess for others to clean up.

    Someone in this discussion is definitely sick…and the aroma of vomit leads in only one direction.

    “The study revealed that forty percent of worship service attending Americans volunteer regularly to help the poor and elderly as opposed to 15% of Americans who never attend services.”- http://www.conservapedia.com/Atheism_and_charity

    “The typical no-faith American donated just $200 to charitable causes in 2006, more than seven times less than the amount contributed by the typical active-faith adult ($1500).

    Even subtracting church-based giving, active-faith adults donated twice as many dollars to charitable causes last year than atheists and agnostics.”- http://www.sixteensmallstones.org/interesting-statistics-contrasting-atheism-and-christianity/

    Shalom

  22. One has to wonder why a purported self confident atheist like Van feels the need to come in throwing bombs into a theological discussion which has nothing to do with his lack of beliefs. Great Van you dont believe in God, how many ways can you say it? Do you think anyone here is swayed by your repeated statements?

    I have long believed that there are very few true atheists out there, they are mainly cranky agnostics. And they are cranky because no one has yet to provide a non self referring theory that gives them hope, which I think is something they lack and want. I have one thing to say to the protagonists in this discussion, save your Scripture verse for another day. It is pointless to use them as proofs when Van doesnt hold them as valid anyway.

    For Van I would recommend if you truly have an open analytical mind which as a alleged man of science you should have, to get onto YouTube and seek out videos of Ravi Zacharias. And of his videos seek the ones which deal with existential questions, such as is there a God? Is there Good and Evil? and so forth. You will find he constructs a great case without self referring. His is a compelling personal story and I have found his arguments compelling and thought provoking. At the very least they should disturb the purported certainly you appear to display.

    Good luck with it. And should he fail to convince you, I would ask you spend your time in other ways different from pointless attacks on people with whom you have nothing in common.

    On last thought, no historical Jesus? Seeing as he is specifically mentioned in the secular histories of two Roman historians one wonders if you have any foundation at all for any of your beliefs to have overlooked such an obvious fact.

  23. “Jesus never existed. And I am absolutely sure that is true.”

    Van, you never even tried to substantiate this claim. It is a claim roundly rejected by expert historians. Care to offer any cogent discussion points- sans pure speculation?

    In any case, the evidence of your behavior in posting here shows that you care a lot about God’s existence, and the claims of Christ on your life.

  24. I do believe that Jesus existed because Saul Paul was able to make a Jewish religion a worldwide religion through the message of the cross but why does Van say that he is absolutely sure that Jesus never existed?

  25. R. Kneubuhl,

    Van says such things because he is the product of revisionist indoctrination and brainwashing. He is proclaiming what he has faith in, even though the facts do not support his unfounded belief. He regurgitates the drivel because he has to constantly reassure himself that he himself is the only god to be believed in…otherwise he is left with the facts of history and a moral creator to deal with. This, he will not allow because it would mean the death of his god and the collapse of his delusion. His pride and arrogance will simply not allow such a thing to happen.

    Shalom

  26. R. Kneuubuhl,

    Van is of the mythicist school of thought probably birthed from the “theory” of evolution and most likely viewers of the film, “Zeitgeist,” (followed by “Ridiculous”) which is available for viewing on YouTube, although I’d suggest skipping it because of the extraneous noise the producer used and going right to the transcripts which are available here: http://truth11.com/2009/03/19/zeitgeist-movie-transcript/ The transcripts make it much easier to dissect the claims it makes and it cuts down the running time considerably.

    Van is a propronent of the website: http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ The author of the website makes many claims that he gives no sources for. Scholarly research is all but absent. But never mind that, what he proclaims sounds reasonable to the intellectual atheists who are apparently rife for brainwashing.

    There’s an easy to read and understand book by a lay person who actually took the time to investigate their claims. The book is “Shattering the Christ Myth” by James Patrick Holding. He doesn’t claim to be a scholar but the man is smart and he does his homework! His website is difficult to navigate but is full of information. You can find his website rebuttals here: http://www.tektonics.org/copycathub.html

    http://www.tektonics.org/howuse.html

    Also of interest:

    http://www.jonsorensen.net/2012/10/25/horus-manure-debunking-the-jesushorus-connection/

    http://zeitgeistchallenge.com/

    While I am in no way discounting the murders committed in the name of Christianity, atheists never seem to mention the astronomical numbers killed by atheist regimes. The numbers in the communist lead regimes of the former Soviet Union and the PRC, together with lesser regimes are estimated to be between 85 and 110 million!

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_Communist_regimes

    https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

    https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/COM.ART.HTM

  27. Sheila,

    And Van fails to realize, or at least fails to admit, that the vast majority of humanitarian missions and hospitals have been founded and funded by those that believe in the Biblical Messiah and by the cultures that have been influenced by those that believe in Him.

    Van ought to read this:

    http://www.amazon.com/WHAT-JESUS-NEVER-BEEN-BORN/dp/0849920795

    But he won’t…it would hurt his ego and his unfounded blind faith too much.

    Shalom

  28. That should have read, “Religulous” not “Ridiculous.” Bill Maher. Although it is ridiculous in that he repeats the same errors as others mythicists.

  29. First of all I’ve seen Robert Turkel’s (AKA J.P. Holding) and Ravi Zacharias’s stupid arguments and I know how to annihilate them. Put ’em up and I’ll knock ’em down right here.

    “Van is a propronent of the website: http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ The author of the website makes many claims that he gives no sources for.”

    Wrong. What that website does is shows that other than then Bible Christians have no sources at all, not even one source that could be used to verify their absurd claims about the Bible. They describe in detail how Christians try to laugh off the claim that Jesus never existed but always fail to provide even one shred of evidence that this personage actually did exist, just exactly like all of you people have done right here ion this blog. It’s so funny to read how Christians will react to something and then watch them do exactly that, walking in that Nazi style lockstep together. Not all Christians are Nazis but all Nazis are Christians. The Nazi Party requires that
    its members all be dedicated followers of Jesus. So I don’t thin k I’d be talking about other oppressive regimes if I were you. And don’t forget people starved in Russia because the communists rejected evolutionary theory in favor of Lysenkoism, the precursor to Intelligent Design that Christians promote today – except in theory colleges and universities where evolution has been taught now for a hundred years. Okay, that will give you all enough to panic over for a while.

  30. Correction: except in CHRISTIAN colleges and universities where evolution has been taught now for a hundred years. Who should I trust? Christian academics who taught me about evolutionary theory in college or Christian preachers who claim evolution is a flawed theory? Since the former has evidence and the ladder has none I must reject the preachers in favor of the teachers.

  31. Van, since your god is your belly (your own assertion)- why should I believe you?

    Why would you have any interest in promoting truth to help your fellow human beings?

    What would even interest you in truth at all?

  32. “Why would you have any interest in promoting truth to help your fellow human beings?
    What would even interest you in truth at all?”

    > Because you people who have been fed a pack of lies make really bad life decisions that affect all of us in a very negative way, especially in the voting booth. If you can be so easily manipulated by lying religious leaders, lying politicians will manipulate you as well. Stupid people who think women who are raped cannot get pregnant could never get elected to office unless stupid people put them there.

  33. Van,

    Perhaps you should try Bart Ehrman’s book, “Did Jesus Exist?: The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth.” He used to be held in regard by atheists and mythicists until his historical reckoning pulled the rug out from under you. Why should we bother to post the historical sources knowing you’ll verbally refute them with no reasonable scholarship to back you up? It’s common knowledge that those who deny the historic Jesus have an exorbitant amount of animosity towards Him and Christianity in general. You guys see “interpolations” in every piece of evidence out there and you have no rational basis for denying it other than that’s what you have to do to maintain your nonsensical position, not to mention your following.

    You fabricate parallels between mythical characters and Jesus and then pass them off as fact. Very deceptive! I’d wager that 99% of the people who buy into it never bother to trace your claims to the original source material. If they had they’d realize the profound absence of anything concrete in your arguments.

    Why don’t you just say that you don’t believe He was who He claimed to be and leave it at that? To deny His very existence is nonsense.

    You should seriously reevaluate your motives and at least be open to the possibility that it’s OK to change your position based on the truth of the matter, whether or not you believe the tenets of Christianity.

    Modern scholarship is not on your side:

    http://ehrmanblog.org/fuller-reply-to-richard-carrier/

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RCz3rBxDHXc

    http://ehrmanblog.org/did-jesus-exist-as-part-one/

    As far as evolution. I don’t deny evolution on a certain level. I’m not a young earth creationist although I have no beef with those who are. At some point, God intervened and created man in His image. Doesn’t matter to me when it occurred. Where is the physical evidence of man evolving from lesser primates? The theory is full of speculation and question marks and dot, dot, dots connecting the two. When you look at the “family tree” there is no continuous evolution to be found that I can see. I may take up a study of it just to better understand the reasoning behind it because to me it looks like something’s still missing.

    http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evosite/evo101/IIE2cHumanevop2.shtml

    http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/tj/v8/n1/erectus

  34. Yeah, but Van, you’re just manipulating me for your own purposes. Why should I take any stock in anything you say or suggest, given that I only exist to serve your selfish ends?

  35. Van,

    You make many broad assumptions about us. One is that you assume we all get our beliefs from someone standing at the front of a church building. That’s further evidence of your own herd mentality. Secondly, you assume that all Christians vote Republican. I know many who, for whatever reasons, do not. Last I checked, it’s the right of all citizens of age to vote however they choose. As far as lying politicians, we both know they come in all shapes and sizes and from both (all) political parties.

    And what in the world are you talking about?!—

    “Stupid people who think women who are raped cannot get pregnant could never get elected to office unless stupid people put them there.”

  36. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0UIbd0eLxw

    “Has Science Buried God?”

    Did we jump over to the wrong thread in our discussion? I’ll have to listen to the program again because I’m not sure. If so, we need to correct it and get back to wherever it originated. It’s not right to take the discussion all over the place.

  37. Van, the reason you talk against the things of God and those things that are good is because of a fallen nature which you inherited by being born into this fallen world, and this is the thing you need redemption from, Jesus being the only remedy for it, and he must be received in honesty and in sincerity, and in good faith that is from the heart.

  38. Sheila,
    You can quit with the smoke and mirrors show. You have no evidence that Jesus Christ existed. Not a single shred of real evidence. So you hit me with all this bluster about people who believe Jesus existed. It isn’t working. You lost this argument a long time ago.

    Bart Ehrman is a very silly man. He tried making the case that Jesus existed on the Infidel Guy’s radio show by claiming that no serious scholar will say that Jesus never existed. The Infidel Guy just kept asking Ehrman for evidence instead of this goofy argument. Ehrman could not give any evidence and his voice just got higher and higher until he was on the verge of tears. You can hear the podcast for yourself. Listen to it and you’ll see how ridiculous YOU are being. You should just be honest enough to admit you believe in something for which there is no evidence. Because you do. That’s what faith is all about.

  39. Ray, Matt and Whoever,
    There is actually a lot of pretty clear and convincing evidence that God does not exist. Of course it’s difficult to prove a negative. However there are a lot of things that should or should not be true if God does or does not exist. For example there is no clear evidence of the existence of any gods which is not surprising of no gods exist. Arguments for God’s existence suffer from irreparable logical flaws, which should not be the case if there really is a God. Religion demands faith and discourages attempts to verify its claims through testing and experimentation. This fact is less surprising if there is no God. Religion has a history of intolerance and violence, and this not likely to be true if there is a God. Science is a very effective way of gaining knowledge. Revelation and scriptural study are not, as people disagree about both and this fact is more likely to be true if there is no God. Religion attempts to suppress outside examination and criticism, and this fact is less surprising if there is no God. Religion has cruel, dangerous and repressive doctrines which it is morally incumbent upon us not to support. This should not be true if religion is true. There is a vast amount of religious confusion and disagreement between people who are members of the same religion. This fact is less surprising if there is no God. Religion is fragmented into sects that cannot agree on key issues of doctrine or ethics, and this should not be true of religion is true. Religions emerge in isolated areas and only then spread in space and time, rather than appearing in every society at once. If there is a God this should not be the case. The mind has a physical basis, and this fact is less like to be true if there is a God. There is too much gratuitous evil and unnecessary suffering. This should not be true if there is a God. Naturalism is the norm and supernaturalism cannot be verified which makes sense if there is no God. The Bible contains many contradictions and historical inaccuracies, and this fact is less surprising if there is no God. For the most part belief in God is a force for stagnation and against progress. This should not be true if there is a God. Atheists are no less happy or fortunate than believers and usually more so. This should not be the case if God exists.

  40. Van,

    I think that God exists because I met God. Bart Ehrman said that the evidence was Paul’s letters.

    You have a lot of funny and interesting things to say, but you seem to show a very strong negative feeling against all Christians.

    Don’t you think that it’s interesting how the name of Jesus is heard around the world? I don’t know about others, but a Christian in my view should love their neighbor.

  41. Re Van and the existence of Yeshua
    You lost this argument a long time ago.

    Van, go to the middle east and spout your ignorant position and see how long you last. It is not a credible argument I am surprised to even see your silly position posted.

  42. “You have a lot of funny and interesting things to say, but you seem to show a very strong negative feeling against all Christians.”

    > I don’t hate Christians. We atheists say, Love the Christian, hate the Christianity.”

    Jon, I shouldn’t have to point out that your statement proves nothing except that you don;t have a shred of evidence to back up your claim that Jesus really existed. It’s the greatest story ever sold. I’m sorry you were duped by such obvious nonsense.

  43. I would just like to say that the gospel itself is the biggest lie ever told on this planet. When you repeat lies that makes you a liar.

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