An Interview with Heidi Baker

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Dr. Brown speaks with Heidi Baker longtime missionary to Mozambique with her husband Roland,, tracing her journey in God, her experiences on the mission field (from being stoned and shot at to seeing extraordinary miracles of healing to planting thousands of churches), her burden for the Church in the West, and the importance of personal encounters with the Lord. Listen live here 2-4 pm EST, and call into the show at (866) 348 7884 with your questions and comments.

 

Hour 1:

Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: It really is very simple, to the extent that we have an intimate love relationship with our God, to the extent that Jesus is our all-in-all, we will shine and we will bear much lasting fruit.

 

Hour 2:

Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: God is true, His Word is true; if we seek Him we will find Him!

 

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17 Comments
  1. Poor choice on interviewing Heidi Baker – Toronto blessing – More like Kundalini spirit – Although she is doing great things the people she is involved with Bentley, Arnotts and so on – Bad feeling about what is to come – Be careful who you are getting involved with. The Holy Spirit is being mocked by these people – Come on Dr Brown – Soaking rooms to soak in the Holy Sprit – They lay hands on people and they pass out and start shaking , laughing , barking , screaming and more – After Pentecost Peter spoke boldly and the word of God convicted people through the Holy Spirit and they repented and where baptized and received the Holy Sprit – BY THE WORD OF GOD and accepting the message – not by the laying on of hands by fools – and no one was laying on the floor screaming and shaking. I’m sorry these people really bother my spirit and my discernment is that what they are doing is not of God.

    Love ya Brother

  2. What a great choice Dr.Brown.
    @ Keith VonEiff my brother in the Lord the Spirit of Jesus Christ glorifies Jesus Christ. Demons do not heal and raise the dead in Jesus’s name. If you think they do then back it up with Scripture. Remember what Christ says in Mark 9:38-40.

  3. From hour one:

    I seems like a common belief among some Christians that demons/spirits are openly active only in parts of the world where people believe in them. I think Dr. Brown has said something similar. (Can this be defended from the bible?)

    I used to be a missionary in one of those parts of the world where the spirits are openly active.

    It was a particularly dangerous location so we got virtually no short-term mission teams but we would get these “spiritual warfare tourists” who would come seeking a supernatural encounter since they held this belief that demons are more active in “dark” places. Visitors were few so I had time to facilitate or otherwise help a number of these groups — virtually all of them Pentecostals/Charismatics.

    It was sometimes perplexing because these people would see, hear and feel things, right along side us, that I would would not. (… and not just me, but I’ll speak for myself. A couple of my fellow missionaries just thought these groups were nuts but not me.)

    One could explain this as simply the highly-subjective nature of miracles. visions and the supernatural but it seemed to me that a more complex phenomenon was happening.

    My conclusion is that the pre-modern mindset of tribal people in the developing world matches-up closely with the post-modern mindset of American Pentecostal.

    Regarding demons and other spirits, American Pentagonals have more in common with tribal Muslims and Hindus than they have with their fellow American Christians. So, they needed to travel to a pre-modern, non-Christian country, like mine, to have their world-view confirmed by the mainstream culture.

    For example, it was common for my Muslim friends to tell me that they saw a Jinn, out at night, shopping at a local sweets shop or Jin children playing on a shadowy swing-set. In all my years as a missionary I saw plenty of strange things out at night but I never saw a Jinn out at night. But, some of my Pentecostal visitors saw them!

    Don’t get me wrong — I’m open-minded enough to admit that maybe my Pentecostal and Muslim friends were right and I’m wrong. But, I will argue that it has more to do with modernity than it does with religion.

  4. Keith,

    No offence but your writing style and unorthodox punctuation makes it very hard to understand what you are saying.

    Do you believe that Heidi Baker is delusional?

    She seamed reasonable enough to me even if some of her claims seem pretty fantastic.

  5. Math 7:22-23 , Math 24:24 , Marc 13:22 – What she has done in Africa and other places is incredible – I’m more concerned about what’s been going on in Toronto and other places and the strange manifestations – Look at the video clips – Acts 4:30 describes the presence of the Holy Spirit very well and very different from what happens at when Heidi is laying hands on people and they start to shake , scream and other weird manifestations – 1 John 4:1 – Just look into these things and I will also – Thank you for the scripture – I’m not calling her a demon , my discernment is that something is very wrong with these manifestations and the people she is involved with.

    Thank you brother

  6. Keith,

    I appreciate your concerns, but my discernment tells me that your discernment about Heidi is wrong. Where then does that leave us? With the Word, which she preaches, and with Jesus, whom she loves, and with a dying world, which she serves.

    I challenge Heidi’s critics to do a fraction of the things Heidi and Roland have done to reach lost people with the gospel of Jesus and to minister to the hurting and destitute — while earning a Ph.D. in Systematic Theology too — and then come and criticize. And please point out a single unorthodox thing that she or I said today on the air. Thanks!

  7. Math 7:22-23 , Math 24:24 , Marc 13:22 – What she has done in Africa and other places is incredible – I’m more concerned about what’s been going on in Toronto and other places and the strange manifestations – Look at the video clips – Acts 4:30 describes the presence of the Holy Spirit very well and very different from what happens at when Heidi is laying hands on people and they start to shake , scream and other weird manifestations – 1 John 4:1 – Just look into these things and I will also – Thank you for the scripture – I’m not calling her a demon , my discernment is that something is very wrong with these manifestations and the people she is involved with.

    Thank you brother – This was posted at 9:11 but said it was waiting for moderation ?

  8. Math 7:22-23 , Math 24:24 , Marc 13:22 – What she has done in Africa and other places is incredible – I’m more concerned about what’s been going on in Toronto and other places and the strange manifestations – Look at the video clips – Acts 4:30 describes the presence of the Holy Spirit very well and very different from what happens at when Heidi is laying hands on people and they start to shake , scream and other weird manifestations – 1 John 4:1 – Just look into these things and I will also – Thank you for the scripture – I’m not calling her a demon , my discernment is that something is very wrong with these manifestations and the people she is involved with.
    Thank you brother – This was posted at 9:11 but said it was waiting for moderation ?

  9. That God would make us ALL: “laid down lovers” (a term Heidi coined) of Him! So sold out and so committed to being led by His Spirit and stopping for the one in need as Jesus told us to do as we go about our daily lives!

    She has a film called Compelled by Love. Take a look at the trailer. Get it if you can. You will be convicted to give your life to the Lord in a deeper way and to serve and be led by Him!

  10. @Keith,
    There’s people with God’s spirit, but there are also people with other intentions PURPOSELY attaching themselves to the group to discredit the whole thing.

    @Fernando
    Jesus does give a warning in Matthew 7 to not base our security of salvation on the miracles we see and it needs to be “on the rock” which is Him.

    Matthew 7:21-23
    21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’

  11. I think Keith’s concern is that Heidi Baker comes out of Toronto blessing, Toronto Airport Church, who is connected to Bethal, Jesus Culture and Lakeland revival with Todd Bentley. The same people who claim angel feathers, gold dust, glory clouds, soaking instead of praying, one girl out of their movement said to me that God is doing new things, and you can’t box God in by His Word.

    I see Dr. Brown getting involved with this group, and my feelings at this point is that God will deal with him if any of these people aren’t kosher. Reading most of this from the internet, I can’t say if it is or isn’t with 100% accurate. Only God knows.

    I’m Charismatic, and believe very much that the gifts are for today. I’m just a bit concern from this particular movement.

    I would encourage people to read this testimony:
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/bethel-church-and-christianity/saved-from-the-deception-of-charismania/160778463948581

  12. Actually, that was the wrong link I put up above, reading through I disagree with a lot of what is being said about charismatics. I was thinking it was the same testimony about someone going to Bethal healing school.

    Oh well, I’m not going to worry about it. I have confidence in Dr. Brown as a man of God, and as I said before, let God deal with it.

  13. @Keith
    I’ve been to conferences by Heidi Baker. She carried such a tangible presence if God. I also been to conference held by Toronto Airport Church this year. The conference was incredible with speakers like Heidi Baker, Randy Vlark, Bill Johnson. They carried such presence of God that you know it is not a one off things but a lifestyle of intimacy with the Holy Spirit. They talked about thirsting more of God, unity among believers. I also learnt how Toronto Airport church Revival started was from a conference held by Randy Clark. If you would hear Randy Clark preaching you would know how his preaching always direct people to Jesus.

    I have to agreed with @Dana
    There’s people with God’s spirit, but there are also people with other intentions PURPOSELY attaching themselves to the group to discredit the whole thing.

    So in a church where Holy Spirit moves powerfully and glorifying God, the enemies also tried to move by bringing in wolves who manifest as well. I agreed in that church I can see few manifestation are definetly from the enemies who tried to bring fear and confusion to the crowds. So we need to discern who is real or not but not judge the work of God or the church with the few bad fruits the enemies tries to put in.

    I suggest you before we attack other believers, it is good that we ask God about their fruits and also research their fruits. Always look at their fruits and that way you can know if they are false prophets or true. If you judge too soon without examining their fruits, you are crucifying Christ on the cross again. Randy Clark, Bill Johnson and Heidi Baker has lots of books that shared how they started with their church. I advised you to buy or attend their conferences personally.

    Matthew 7:15-20
    You Will Know Them by Their Fruits
    15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes from thornbushes or figs from thistles? 17 Even so, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.

  14. @keith a bad tree cannot bear good fruits. Either Heidi Baker is a good tree that bears good fruits or a bad tree that bear bad fruits.

  15. Hello Dr. Brown,

    Can you please explain to me why Heide Baker says ‘ whoaaa’ and is shaking uncontrollable when she speaks. Can you please tell me what this is from the Bible and not to forget when she speaks she gets ‘ drunk in spirit’ ? Please explain them. I know she is doing good works, I am not questioning that.
    see here a video in which she manifests:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=983Sx7aZDRE

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