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Dr. Brown’s explanation about “who killed Jesus” totally fits the way I was raised in my fundamentalist church.
We were very consistently taught that we _all_ humans are culpable for Christ’s death.
Furthermore, they consistently mentioned that Gentiles, in the form of Romans, were personally involved, not just Jews.
But, clearly, some churches must have taught otherwise. I’ve heard so many stories of Jews being taunted as “Christ killers.”
It seems a bit too easy to offhandedly dismiss these taunters as not real Christians.
Will all the Jewish people be saved- In one word YES!
What do I cite in the bible? In one book (the whole book of Isaiah).
Keep in mind that Israel in the past has rejected every prophet, and those
Same people now accept every one of them today. There is one prophet
Yet that currently is not widely accepted, YET- however the last one will soon
Also be accepted. It was through the rejection of the prophets that their prophecies
Were fulfilled, Thus- the last one to be rejected will also fulfill the last of the prophecies.
It is through the rejection that this is what makes all possible. This is not a new system, this
Was always the plan. What the people reject today will not always be rejected. The mysteries are hidden in Isaiah. The parable of Jesus paying the last workers the same as the ones that have worked the whole day is part of this mystery. The generations before Michael Brown, his own father I believe will all be saved. This does not minimize the work that Brown is doing today, it only fulfills the time, the place that we are in. In the end, all the prophets will finally be accepted.
The story of Joseph is a clear parallel. He was rejected and thrown in a hole. Given up, he had to be to fulfill his mission. His example of how he accepted his brothers back in is what the Messiah will clearly do to all the generations before the people we see today. This is a difficult mystery, and one that we will not understand until it is being done.
Isaiah 22
17 “Beware, the Lord is about to take firm hold of you
and hurl you away, you mighty man.
18 He will roll you up tightly like a ball
and throw you into a large country.
There you will die
and there the chariots you were so proud of
will become a disgrace to your master’s house.
19 I will depose you from your office,
and you will be ousted from your position.
20 “In that day I will summon my servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah. 21 I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the people of Judah. 22 I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 23 I will drive him like a peg into a firm place; he will become a seat of honor for the house of his father. 24 All the glory of his family will hang on him: its offspring and offshoots—all its lesser vessels, from the bowls to all the jars.
25 “In that day,” declares the Lord Almighty, “the peg driven into the firm place will give way; it will be sheared off and will fall, and the load hanging on it will be cut down.” The Lord has spoken.
jon,
>> The generations before Michael Brown, his own father I believe will all be saved.
Retroactive salvation for all Jews?
Do they get moved from hell to heaven some day?
… sorry! My last post came-off sounding horrible.
By “they” I don’t mean all Jews and certainly not Dr. Brown’s father!
I just mean, those Jews who are already in hell — like the rich man Jesus talks about in Luke 16.
Does Jon think the rich man gets moved from hell to heaven at some point in the future?
What does the root of our faith say ?
In fact, it is a Jewish teaching that all Jews do go to heaven. Not by teaching, but a Jewish teaching. Interesting. Spend some time in a Jewish prayer book, and you will find that they do indeed believe
in salvation. This is just a matter of time before the Jews will accept the final prophet from the land of Israel. I am excited to see these days.
jon,
Jesus was a Jew. In Luke 16 he says that the rich man, presumably a Jew, went to hell.
Was Jesus wrong?
What you say has implications about Jesus’ salvific work on the cross.
If what you say is correct — not everybody needs Jesus. By luck of birth, some people get saved.
jon,
Do you have a specific teaching of Jesus which says that Jews automatically get saved, by luck of birth, and have no need of repentance or Jesus?
A guy like Son of Sam — a Jew.
He automatically gets in to heaven but, let’s say, Mahatma Gandhi or does not?
Doesn’t this make a mockery of God’s sense of justice?
Greg, I covered the same question last time, and i will not repeat my answer.
God’s ways make a mockery out of our reasoning.
“Doesn’t this make a mockery of God’s sense of justice?”
My sense of justice is superior to your God’s sense of justice. I could never make an excuse for killing innocent women and children. Your God can, which is moral relavtism at its worst.
whoa…. Van…
Well I am at least glad van you are listening to this radio show and reading comments. I hope your hate becomes unharden and you turn to the truth.
Your sense of justice is not superior to God’s. Your sense of judgement is probably based on how it afects you or ppl close to you. That is bias. And most ppl fall into that group. What they call justice is jus a selffish ploy to justify their actions.
ex.
If u are straving.. “it is ok to to steal from this market.”
But if u are the owner of the market, your view becomes… “there is no reason to steal,”
Or
“If someone i know dies from a Drunk driver…. I want the law to go after him.. with zero mercy”
but
“If i know the person driving… I want mercy for the one mistake he has to live with for the rest of his life”
there is no consistency in man made morals. Pls, ditch your pride and turn to the truth. God’s justice is always just and true.
Shalom
(lol, i alwasy wanted to type that.. being non -Jew and all)
I doubt he is saying “all Jews go Heaven”
Lets recall the pharisees were Jews… and Jesus pretty much condmened them for blasphmey of holy spirit.
And Jesus told teh Apostles to go witness to the Jews… and teh Jews that did not accept the word…to leave them & the end results will be worse than Sodom & Gomorrah. Just from this passage we can see.. that not all Jews will make it, soley because they are Jews
Matthew 10:14-15
14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town.
Dr B. you should have discussed about his amazing work on progressive disp. which is closest to historical mill. and its so awesome, that must be taught to all covenant th. and even classical dispensationists. Plz invite him again soon. God bless.
You both are my fav Jewish scholars.