Dr. Brown interviews Dr. Michael Heiser, academic editor for Logos Software, on a wide range of fascinating biblical and Semitic subjects, debunking some popular theories along the way, and then Dr. Brown gives insights on the Old Testament and Hebrew background to some New Testament themes. Listen live here 2-4 pm EST, and call into the show at (866) 348 7884 with your questions and comments.
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Like many bible readers, I’ve found the I Cor 11 “because of the angels” logic as such a curious rational for keeping our women covered.
If the Noah story explains this, can you imagine how much angels struggle at a Christian music festival on a hot day?
Greg Allen,
I have responded to you here:
http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2013/07/19/youve-got-questions-weve-got-answers-17/comment-page-1/#comment-374854
Just because something is called a Christian music festival and people that call themselves Christians go against Biblical modesty, does not mean that Paul’s doctrine is outdated. It means that we have corrupted ourselves. The “because of the angels” is concerning the rebellion and subsequent judgment that they received for going against authority. This is what we display when we do not take the head covering for women and uncovered head for men seriously. You find Paul’s statements curious because you are trying to find a reason to not obey. You are trying to mix the ways of this world with what the scripture teaches. That is called deceiving ourselves.
The sin of the Christian concert goer or Church goer does not prove Paul’s statements to be wrong. Paul’s words prove us to be wrong.
Jas 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
Wake up!
Bo,
It’s a bit of a turn-around that I take this verse more literally than you do.
I think the most likely interpretation is that Paul believed that angels are attracted to human women.
As I understand the first century worldview, Paul would have believed that angels in a “cloud of witnesses” were watching us from the closest heaven.
So, of course, women should be dressed modestly so as not to tempt the angels as happened in Noah’s day.
By the way — I am all for modesty. I just think that it is culturally tied. Women don’t have to be clothed, head to toe, to be modest in the 21st century western culture.
Catch up!
Bo,
I give you credit for living your convictions. (I seriously mean that.)
But, no matter how conservative you are, I have a hard time believing that you live in 2000 year old time warp.
And I certainly don’t believe you live by the Old Testament. You’d be in jail for killing disobedient children (Deuteronomy 21). But, you’d look pretty cool in your un-cut beard. (Leviticus 21)
Do you have an uncut bead? You must look like a biker!
Greg Allen,
I have an unrounded beard. I look like a short, old, short haired, half bald biker with happy blue eyes that wears polo shirts with horizontal stripes to accentuate his roundish figure.
My children never were in need of being stoned. They were never rebellious. With YHWH’s help we took our responsibility to train them in the way they should go at an early age so that the were not rebellious as old children.
Pr 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.
Deuteronomy 21
18 If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them:
19 Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place;
20 And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
21 And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
None of our 10 children ever even approached this sort of thing. You, assuming that any small problem that a child had was worthy of stoning, show that you just throw things out without really knowing what the Bible actually says. Your emotional reactions to the scripture and rebellion to it prove your apostasy.
It is not about what was the case 2000 years ago. It is about the eternal word of YHWH. Just 200 years ago you would have found no Christian, except an apostate, that would have not practiced Paul’s head covering principles. You would have found women keeping silence in the assemblies. Even 50 years ago, the stigma of remarriage was grounds to not allow such people to be members of a church.
It is not that I am 2000+ years behind the times. It is that we have let worldly society dilute the truth. You are judging right and wrong by what the majority thinks instead of accepting what YHWH has declared to be right and wrong for as long as the earth exists.
Pr 16:25 There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.
I do keep the dietary laws and Biblical Holy days including Sabbath, while not keeping the man-made religious days with pagan origins.
You assume that Paul had a 1st century world view. He quoted from the Hebrew scriptures and taught that they were the truth. He had a Biblical world view, and his writings are the very words of YHWH. If you do not think so, you are not to be listened to.
1 Corinthians 14
37 If any of your number think himself a true preacher and a spiritually-minded man, let him realize that what I have written is by divine command!
38 If a man does not recognise this he himself should not be recognised.
Why would I, or anyone want to “catch up” with the crowd of people that are driving down the road in the wrong direction as it gets wider and wider and slopes downward more and more. That is simply not a race I am wanting to be a part of, let alone win.
Matthew 7
13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Wake up!
Bo,
I’d like to meet you. I’d like to observe how you really live.
I think I’d find a hundred ways you are not living the old testament life.
I’ve never met a Christian who does.
They think they do.
But this is only because they don’t bother to really study the bible.
But, even so, I bless you.
I’m a Mennonite. We are seriously old-school ourselves.
If it works for you — God bless you in it.
But don’t prescribe it for everybody.
Grace up!
Of course Paul’s letters were contextual.
He didn’t write to “all Christians though all time”
He wrote to the church in Galatia or Phillipi.
Paul would have surely written a different letter to the church of America in the 21st century.
Don’t get me wrong – Paul’s letters can instruct us today.
But it is a huge exegetical mistake to believe that we are the Galatians or the Philippians or the Romans. We are not.
Bo and everybody — if you want to reply to me, do it in tomorrow’s show.
Greg Allen,
It is not I that has consistently misconstrued what the Bible says. I actually quote it. You make allusions to it, but fail to uphold what it says. You only agree with the parts that agree with our culture. So really you believe and trust in man not YHWH.
Ps 118:8 It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man.
Paul did write 1 Corinthians to us.
1Co 1:1
Paul, called to be an apostle of Jesus Christ through the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
Paul wrote to those in every place that truly call upon YHWH. So you are right. He did not write to you. You reject every bit of the Bible that does not agree with you. You are your own god. You really only believe in yourself.
Fine if you won’t wake up, keep dreaming that everything is going to be all right. You will be come out of your deep some day. It will be a rude awakening.
Jude 1:12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;
Rest in peace.
This article (linked from Heiser’s Bible blog) has a lot of explanatory power for head covering stuff in I Cor 11: http://www.michaelsheiser.com/TheNakedBible/1%20Cor11%20head%20covering%20testicle.pdf
Dr. Brown,
Great show today! I live in the same town as Dr. Heiser (I have yet to meet him though). If you ever come out this way to meet with Dr. Heiser, I would love to get a chance to meet you!
I have read his fiction book (the Facade) and his work on the Divine council. Both are interesting. There are some really strange passages in the OT like 1Kings 22:19-23 that Dr. Heiser’s work goes into. I wish you got to talk about that scripture today :).
I have done quite a bit of reading in some of the areas that Dr. Hesier specializes in. I am convinced people are having real experiences (usually not Christians), but they are deceptive and very dark experiences. This is part of the deception of our times. It seems that Christians often either get obsessed with these things or ignore them because they are too strange to talk about. The church often does not know how to minister to these people. Dr. Heiser’s work (along with others) is very important in these areas.
Blessings,
Peter
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It’s interesting that the two keruvim in 1 Kings 6:23-28 are ten cubits (15 feet) tall.
And if you bred a wolf with a poodle, you end up with a dog not as tall as a wolf.
When you look at Deuteronomy 3:11 we find that one of the last of the Rephaim, Og, had a bed that was nine cubits (13 feet)long.
This also makes us understand why the Israelites didn’t have the faith to enter the promised land the first time, since Numbers 13:33 tells us how the Israelites felt seeing these giants,
Deuteronomy 1:28f expresses this feeling further,
Anyone with logos, throw this into your morph search and see what pops up. 🙂
lemma:נפיל OR lemma:ענקי OR lemma:רפאי OR lemma:ענק:2 OR lemma:ארבע:3 OR lemma:אחימן OR lemma:שׁשׁי:1 OR lemma:תלמי OR lemma:אימי
As soon as I heard it I knew the two of you (Dr. Brown and Dr. Heiser) would have a ball with the Nephilim = ancient aliens movement. It seems Zechariah Sitchin picked up where Kurt von Daniken left off and he’s really, really elaborated on the theme! Funny, with the exception that there’s an entire generation of young people who have no solid foundation with which to filter out the nonsense from the truth. It’s sad.