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  1. Even better, why would Paul not have been able to spiritually discern whether they had received the Spirit of God or not?

  2. Dr. Brown,
    I was a little interested to note that you didn’t mention the fact that uncle-niece marriages are not clearly prohibited in the Torah, nor are cousin marriages. Aunt-nephew marriages are certainly prohibited, but as far as I can determine, uncle-niece ones are not. The argument that it is to be assumed, seems to undermine the very specific and legal nature of the text.
    Of course, we must obey the laws of the land, but where I live, in Australia, such marriages are legal.
    God bless,

    Nathan

  3. Re: the law concerning an uncle marrying his niece, in Jewish law, a man can marry his niece; in some parts of America, a man can marry his niece if he belongs to an Orthodox Jewish community that permits it (which was obviously not the case with the caller). So, the bigger issue was actually what the civil law says in America, and it appears that it is illegal throughout America outside of these unusual exemptions.

    So, it would have been better for me simply to refer the caller to civil law and say it is an illegal marriage, but I didn’t have the info in front of me at that moment and wanted him to go to the Scriptures first. I believe I could have answered the question more sharply!

    Thanks,

    Dr. Brown

  4. @Dr. Brown,

    I quite enjoyed the show, and I prayed for your Syrian caller.

    And I might misunderstand the Jewish view, but is it true that a niece can only marry the uncle if he is her mother’s brother, but not if he is her father’s brother, as Leviticus 18:14a states:

    “You shall not uncover the nakedness of your father’s brother.”

    If true, that would mean that Christian couple might be ok, depending of whether or not the uncle was on the father’s or mother’s side.

  5. One other thing, regarding the question about how will we know when Daniel’s last week starts…

    If you hold to an Islamic end of days paradigm like Joel Richardson, the Islamic Mahdi according to various ḥadiths, makes a covenant for seven years, then several years later, a Islamic prophet comes who basically declares open season on Christians and Jews, whom they call Isa. This is he who I believe Revelation speaks of when it says he looks like the lamb (Yeshua), but speaks like the dragon. I believe the “Arab spring” is leading up to this.

  6. David,

    Thanks for the comments! In my head, there was some ambiguity about the uncle-niece issue — really, I hadn’t thought about it since it’s not exactly a live issue — and that’s the main reason I referred the caller back to Leviticus 18 to sort it out for himself.

    And that’s why there are some complexities in the Jewish Law too.

    Again, thanks for the helpful input in both comments and the kind words.

  7. Greg Allen,

    Ps 19:9 The fear of the LORD is clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

    Joh 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

    When we go by our emotions or our own ideas we end up calling evil, good and good, evil…light, darkness and darkness, light. Seems like you are for homosexual marriage and abortion but think the union of a man and woman, that is lawful according to YHWH, to be icky…and to you homosexual marriage is not ichy? To you, dissecting a child in the womb is not disgusting?

    Are you not just inventing your own way instead of following YHWH’s path? Is this not exactly what got Adam and Eve kicked out of the garden, Saul rejected form being king, and Israel removed from the promised land?

    Isa 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
    21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
    22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
    23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!

    Wake up!

  8. Bo,

    Oh, C’mon. Step off your pulpit.

    I’m an uncle. I have nieces. The idea of marrying one of them is creepy to me.

    It’s not for you?

  9. Greg,

    What I think is disgusting or not, has no bearing on truth. My veiw if things is flawed…as is yours.

    What if your niece is only 2 years younger or older than you and you grew up as best friends? Or what if you grew up not even knowing each other and happened to meet in college and dated and didn’t even realize that you were related? I married my best friend. And no, she is no blood relation to me.

    It doesn’t make any difference, if YHWH says that is not wrong, it is not wrong. If He says it is not right, it is not right. Homosexuality and abortion is wrong simply because He says so.

    Who has been on a pulpit preaching his liberal anti-Biblical doctrines on this site? I am not on a pulpit. I am asking you to accept what the Bible says as true and righteous instead of going by your own flawed mind and feelings.

    Wake up!

  10. Bo,

    >>It doesn’t make any difference, if YHWH says that is not wrong, it is not wrong.

    So, you a big supporter of slavery? Of stoning rebellious children?

    Some things change in 3,000 years. God was addressing the marriage needs of a tribal society that looked absolutely nothing like our modern, two-parent, marriage.

    The bible does not come crashing down if we make some common sense, moral, adjustments in its application.

    Just the opposite, it keeps Christianity relevant and alive.

  11. Bo,

    I don’t want to miss an opportunity of agreement between you and me.

    I agree with your point that law should not be made on the “icky” factor. (or some other emotion)

    This is a really important thing to understand in a Democracy.

  12. Greg Allen,

    You are erecting straw men to deflect the argument away from your false doctrine and ideas.

    Accepting abortion/murder and homosexuality is not “making common sense, moral, adjustments.” This sort of thing does not keep Christianity alive. It is doing the work of the Devil.

    Incidentally, if the parents of rebellious children did bring their sons, if they didn’t repent, to the elders to be stoned, we would not have a gang problem. But we are so smart with our system of “justice” that we do not have safe streets to walk in the city and we have thousands of young people that die of drug overdoses. In other words, we think that it is fine for kids to kill each other or themselves, but not fine to give them a chance to repent before they cause irreparable harm and become murderers. It would be better for a millstone to be hung around our necks and be thrown into the sea than to continue to allow this to go on. Parents might take their job more seriously and young adults might think hard and long before they would go down the wrong path if we just put the Bible into practice.

    And if we still put adulterers and homosexuals to death, at the mouth of 2 or 3 witnesses, we would not need to continue to water down what the Bible does say to supposedly “keep it relevant.” “Relevant” by your definition is just an euphemism for corrupt and unholy.

    Wake up!

  13. Bo,

    I felt like YOU were the one deflecting when you brought up abortion and the gays when we were talking about an uncle marrying his niece.

    I don’t feel like we have to bring up these two, throughly argued issues, with every issue.

    As for “relevant” — I agree that it is a cultural call. Culture changes but the bible doesn’t. So, how do we live?

    It’s been a tension in Christianity for almost our whole history and gets more so the further we get away from the first century.

    If your church wants to bless the marriage of uncles to their nieces but ban the marriage of gay Christians — you’re church will be considered irrelevant by modern people. (And, creepy, I might add.)

    Not to mention making women cover their heads, forcing men to cut their hair, owning slaves, not allowing women to speak, etc. etc.

    I believe this is a main reason God left us the Holy Spirit. Every generation needs to “work out their salvation” and this is not easy!

  14. Greg Allen,

    On: http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2013/07/01/is-it-time-to-change-our-strategy/#comment-357674

    You wrote:

    “Instead of changing your strategy, how about getting humble and admitting we have been wrong about the gays?

    We were wrong about the sun revolving around the earth.

    We were wrong about the Crusades.

    We were wrong about the age of the earth.

    We were wrong about burning witches.

    We were wrong about owning slaves and women.

    Likewise, we can admit we were wrong about the gays — the church won’t come to an end.”

    On: http://www.lineoffireradio.com/2013/07/01/is-it-time-to-change-our-strategy/#comment-357729

    I answered:

    “Greg Allen,

    The Bible does not say that the sun revolves around the earth. We, whoever we is, were wrong because we trusted man’s wisdom and knowledge.

    The Bible does not say to conquer and kill in the name of “Jesus.” We, whoever we is, were wrong because we followed corrupt power mongers.

    Those that were burning witches were not using the Biblical method of justice and inquiry. And it was quite an isolated phenomenon as best as I remember. So we, whoever we is, were not any kind of majority and were wrong because we didn’t pay close attention to what the Bible does say about this sort of thing.

    The Bible teaches an entirely different form of slavery than was being practiced in America. The Bible says that those that kidnapped and sold people into slavery and their accomplices were deserving of the death penalty. If we would have enacted that simple law the slave trade would have ended post haste or would have never got a foothold. We, whoever we is, were wrong because we went with a multitude to do evil.

    The Bible does not say that we own women. We, whoever we is, were wrong because we followed the customs of the nations.

    We, whoever we is, should be humble, and pay close attention to what the Bible does say about homosexuality. It says that it is wrong and that those that practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Walking humbly before our Creator includes warning such people so that they can repent and believe the real gospel that empowers us to overcome such sinful habits and thus produces works in us that prove that our faith is real. There is a false humility that thinks that it is being humble and kind by comforting and encouraging homosexuals in their sin.

    But we, whoever we are, will probably continue down the same path as always and not listen to what the Bible says and by so doing mess our world up more…to the point that YHWH has no choice but to bring catastrophic final judgement upon us. I believe that the book of Revelation covers this quite well.”

    Wake up!

  15. PS: feel free to respond but I have to get off-line.

    I can’t promise I’ll check back but I’ll try to remember to.

  16. Greg Allen,

    You wrote:
    “It’s been a tension in Christianity for almost our whole history and gets more so the further we get away from the first century.

    If your church wants to bless the marriage of uncles to their nieces but ban the marriage of gay Christians — you’re church will be considered irrelevant by modern people. (And, creepy, I might add.)

    Not to mention making women cover their heads, forcing men to cut their hair, owning slaves, not allowing women to speak, etc. etc.

    I believe this is a main reason God left us the Holy Spirit. Every generation needs to “work out their salvation” and this is not easy!”

    The very things that you cite are some of the reasons that Christianity has become irrelevant. It has stopped shining the light of Biblical truth. Light will always seem irrelevant to darkness. Men love darkness and will not come to the light. As Christianity has become more and more a lover of darkness, it becomes less holy and righteous. You are a victim of this process.

    Women should still cover their heads and be silent in the assembly. Men should not wear long hair. Slaves should still be treated exactly the way the Bible declares. Those that kidnap and sell people into slavery should be stoned to death. Homosexuals and adulterers should still be stoned to death at the mouths of 2 or 3 witnesses.

    Working out our salvation does not include false mercy and grace. It does not include accepting sin into the congregation. It does not include blessing unrighteousness in society. Working out our own salvation is not a thing that a generation does. It is a thing that we do individually.

    If we, individually, would all simply take the Bible at face value and practice what it says, our generation would saved much self-imposed hardship and divine judgment.

    The alarm clock has been ringing in our ears for a long time. And now in your ears for a few months.

    Wake up!

  17. Greg Allen,

    It is always quite convenient for you to ignore the argument when it gets too hot for you. Your little potshots against righteousness and holiness are designed to distract and confuse the ignorant and weak. May your devises fail.

    Wake up!

  18. Dr. Brown,

    A potential show could feature a 30 minute duel between GREG “the Rebel” Allen Vs Bo “no last name needed!!!”

    They can finish debates for month old post board messages.

    just kidding..both of you guys entertain me with interesting perspectives.

    With all that said… An Uncle having relations with his niece is just wrong… Yes there are examples that arent as ‘eckie’ (a term referenced earlier). But typically a person gets the label Uncle as being an elder and involved in a youths life. I view it as adopted family member.
    Sure its not may not be “Blood” realtions in all examples… but come on its might as well be blood

  19. Bo,

    I don’t feel like I’m “taking little potshots” — I’m just giving my own honest perspective. And, you will note, I don’t personally condemn you the way you judge me. I wish you would keep this discussion more in the realm of respectful disagreement.

    Anyway, I don’t share your belief that we need to cover up our women and keep them silent.

    That was a relevant moral position 2,000 years ago in that primitive culture but is meaningless now. Beyond meaningless, it would be a stumbling block to the Gospel, if we practiced it.

    Do you seriously believe that we should live exactly like 2,000 years ago? For starters, we’d need to get rid of the nuclear family and go back to clans with arranged marriages and the whole bit.

    PS: If you want to continue this debate, can we move it to the current post? It drives me to distraction to have to search multiple past days and weeks to continue discussions.

  20. Greg Allen,

    Paul does not say the reason for the woman’s silence in the assemblies and covered head or the man’s uncovered head is because of culture. He says that it is because of how they were created and to show the Biblical authority structure. Neither my wife nor I have had any difficulty sharing the gospel because of practicing this command. As a matter of fact curious people engage us in conversation that wouldn’t otherwise. This leads right into proclaiming the truth of the Scriptures. Do you remove you hat when prayer is offered? You shouldn’t if you do not think that we are to follow Paul’s commandments of YHWH to us in these matters.

    Dating is way worse than arranged marriages. Look at the divorce rate that it produces and the confusion to kids growing up in split and or merged families. The scripture does not command arranged marriages. It does, however give us some good guidelines about the proper process of betrothal and marriage. It is this exact process that our Savior has and is living out right now with His betrothed bride. We should go along with Him in this both in the spiritual and in our physical relationships…according to the scripture. Messiah says that remarriage is adultery. Do you disagree with Him? Can one really be a true Christian and go against the Christ’s teachings?

    I do not force my wife to wear a veil or be silent. She simply follows what the scripture declares. We are helping our young adults find spouses in the Biblical manor and finding it to be more beautiful than you will ever be able to comprehend. How many marriages have you seen where the first embrace and kiss is at the marriage ceremony? How many messed up lives have you seen because of premarital intimacy? But then again you think that homosexual marriage is good so…..?

    We have not found it to be stumbling block to not get tattoos or piercings. Nor to wear modest clothing. You are looking at the scriptures from a skewed 21st century worldly mindset. The real gospel is not usually preached in this culture. It is usually offered without any teeth. The real gospel demands that we forsake all to follow Messiah. That assuredly means our and our cultures ideas since they are what idols are made of.

    I am not trying to be disrespectful in this conversation, but showing you, and those that read these posts, the total error of your deceptive doctrine.

    Wake up!

  21. Hey Bo,

    not to intrude on you and Gregs eternal debate…but I have a question:

    “Dating is way worse than arranged marriages.” Look at the divorce rate that it produces and the confusion to kids growing up in split and or merged families.”

    1: Why do you have a negative assocaition with dating? The act of dating does not have to include pre-martial relations or other negative acts. It can just be dinner, socail gathering etc.

    2. You correlate dating with the divorce rate: can I just get some back ground on your conclusion that these are related?

    Thanks

  22. Ty,

    Ex 19:21 And the LORD said unto Moses, Go down, charge the people, lest they break through unto the LORD to gaze, and many of them perish.

    Y’Shua does not date us. He only has relationship with us on the basis of a covenant commitment. Wanting an experience with YHWH without a covenant in place is breaking through to gaze. It is spiritual fornication. Dating is breaking through to gaze at (have experiences with) someone we are not committed to. It is emotional fornication. There is much that perishes because of dating.

    Dating is not preparation for marriage. It is preparation for divorce. You “try out” someone and then when you are done, for whatever reason, you find someone else. This sets the emotional stage for your future relationship with your spouse. Kind of a Pavlov’s dogs syndrome, so to speak.

    With true Biblical betrothal, you seek YHWH’s will before any emotional attachment. This includes the counsel and blessing of the parents that YHWH has put in authority over you. Then you go to the authority that is protecting the potential bride and get his permission to pursue matters further. Then the the woman seeks YHWH and agrees to the marriage or not. Betrothal is entered after this with the man and the woman agreeing to the terms of the marriage covenant. From this point there must be a divorce certificate to stop the proceedings. Once the couple have become one flesh YHWH has joined them together and they may not be separated except by death.

    During the betrothal the couple prepares for the marriage. Depending upon the situation, they may need to get to know each other better through forms of verbal communication. The bridegroom may need to build or rent a home. They release themselves to each other emotionally and eagerly look forward to their life together knowing that the other is totally committed till death, knowing that to remarry with the other still living is adultery in YHWH’s eyes, even if they have a certificate from the state that says they are no longer attached. They know that no adulterer has any inheritance in the kingdom of heaven.

    The very commitment to remain emotionally unattached until the betrothal prepares them for the “nobody ever but you” physically. There is no such thing as becoming incompatible. You are in covenant and people of your word. With YHWH’s help, this purity of both emotion, soul and body can be a beautiful lifelong romance. And if things do become more than we think we can bear, we seek YHWH’s comfort and strength and get help from those that were witnesses of our unchangeable commitment.

    In dating we make the choice to break up and to go out with others without the concept of submitting to our parental authority. We get emotionally, and usually physically, attached before we have entered covenant. This the exact opposite of the way our Messiah gathers His bride. He commits fully. We commit fully. We both eagerly await the marriage supper of the Lamb. While we wait we make ourselves ready by submitting ourselves to the love letter (Bible) that our Bridegroom left for us and we communicate verbally by prayer and love songs. He commucates with us by His Spirit within us. By this “word and Spirit” process He washes His bride by water by His word.

    The Biblical feasts are the anniversaries of both the future and the past events of this marriage process. Y’Shua paid our bride price at Passover. He gave us the words of the covenant at Pentecost. He will return for His bride on the day of trumpets when His messenger announces His return for His bride with the shout of an archangel. The marriage supper of the Lamb will begin on the first day of the feast of Tabernacles. He fulfilled the Spring feasts on the exact day and it seems certain that He will fulfill the Fall feasts on the exact day of these Holy anniversaries.

    Have you made yourself ready? Are you eagerly watching and awaiting You Bridegroom’s return? Or are you asleep with no oil in you lamp?

    Ho 2:19 And I will BETROTH thee unto me for ever; yea, I will betroth thee unto me in righteousness, and in judgment, and in lovingkindness, and in mercies.
    20 I will even BETROTH thee unto me in faithfulness: and thou shalt know the LORD.

    Eph 5:26 That he might SANCTIFY AND CLEANSE it with the washing of water by the word,
    27 That he might present it to himself a glorious church, NOT HAVING SPOT, OR WRINKLE, or any such thing; but that it should be HOLY AND WITHOUT BLEMISH.

    Lu 12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find WATCHING: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.

    2Ti 4:8 Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous judge, shall give me at that day: and not to me only, but unto all them also that LOVE HIS APPEARING.

    Heb 9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and UNTO THEM THAT LOOK FOR HIM shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

    Re 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that WATCHETH, AND KEEPETH HIS GARMENTS, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

    Re 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his WIFE HATH MADE HERSELF READY.

    1 Jo 3:3 And every man that hath this hope in him PURIFIETH HIMSELF, even as he is pure.
    4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
    6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
    7 Little children, LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

    Shalom

  23. Ty,

    Bo is of the believe that everything they did in bible is normative or today.

    I don’t believe, for a second, that he actually lives that way. But I believes he thinks he does

    But I would agree with him this far — the nuclear family is not biblical.

  24. Greg Allen,

    What is this nuclear family that you speak of? I never said anything one way or the other about it.

  25. Greg Allen,

    What is it that you do not think that I live of the precepts taught in the Bible? You are assuming an awful lot. And yes the commandments in the Bible are still true and righteous altogether. When we stray from them we sin. If we continue to live in sin we will not see YHWH.

    1 JO 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
    4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.

    1Jo 3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
    7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

    Heb 12:14 Follow peace with all men, and holiness, without which no man shall see the Lord:

    Wake Up!

  26. Interesting Bo. Thanks for your explanation.

    I think some of the things you stated are time/cultural related, but to each is own.
    I do agree that “some” view dating as a way of sampling the goods… a test drive of the car… but in other cases it is just the process of getting to know a person (there others humor, moral code, idealolgy, etc).

    Example. I dated a girl as a youth… I appreciated a lot about her personality/morals and there were things that annoyed me. Until I dated other ladies…I learned that there were other characteristics that I valued more that was not present in the original girl mentioned. So I learned more about myself…so when I made my decision on who to pursue marriage with, I had a full understanding of the traits/qualities that I value. (Yes, God played a role in the decision throught out the process, but I commenting on Dating)

    Just my opinion.

    – Greg

    Yes it would be hard to attempt to live as one would 2000 yrs ago. Sometimes this quest leads ppl to fall in to a form of legalism. “U must do this, because it was a tradition mentioned in days of the Isrealities”

  27. Ty,

    The bottom line for hr. one of the broadcast was: “We, as created beings should bow down before the Creator. Rather than trying to figure things out on our own, we should simply say, “Lord, I believe what You say in Your Word.”

    The timeless truth of the scriptures intersects our reality no matter what era we happen to live in. Things like the woman’s head covering and lack thereof for men is not something that was for a certain culture at a certain time. The reasons Paul gives for these commandments/ordinances are not culturally based, but are the way YHWH created man and woman and the enduring authority structure that He set up.

    Just because we do not see many modern western women wearing coverings does not mean that it is proper to relegate Paul’s words to culture 2000 years ago or eastern culture or third world culture. Simply put, from the beginning of recorded history till about 200 years ago women wore coverings in almost all societies.

    Biblical based cultures still do this sort of thing. Post Biblical cultures began to move away from this about 200 years ago. Most Christian women would still wear at least a hat or scarf to Church even 50 years ago. Our western post Biblical culture has cast off this ordinance only in the last few years, relatively speaking. It is a timeless display of divine authority structure.

    Baptism is along the same lines. It is an ordinance for all believers. It is not a cultural or ancient practice only. Many centuries of cultures and churches have changed the methodology to suit their concepts and customs, but baptism remains an ordinance for believers to be obedient to. The meaning of the word baptism in the Bible means to immerse. Our human cultures and ideas have watered down what baptism is supposed to be…now to the point that many believers do not get baptized and some churches do not practice even the sprinkling form of it.

    This same thing happened to head coverings, but the non-headcovering believers are almost exclusively in the west. Our culture and its new traditions has made the commandment of YHWH of no effect just as much as the Pharisaical traditions did. Our worship has become vain, just as theirs had.

    Mt 15:6b …Thus have ye made the commandment of God of none effect by your tradition.
    7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
    8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.
    9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

    There is no set style of head covering described in scripture. We have the meaning of the words to go by, though. A hat does not qualify as a katakulupto. Sprinkling does not qualify as baptismos. The slide form accurate obedience to where we are today makes it seem alright to go along with whatever is around us.

    Dating is a new concept for humanity. It has no basis in the principles of scripture. This human tradition that we think is so obvious does not appear to be anywhere in YHWH’s mind. We have made up our own way instead of seeking to do things YHWH’s way. Our worship has become vain. We say we believe His timeless words but do things that cannot possibly be in accordance to them.

    We justify ourselves by trying to find principles from the scripture to apply to our ideas instead of scrapping our ideas and applying YHWH’s word fully.

    The people that lived during the time of the Bible’s writing for the most part wore robe type clothing. It was practical for them. There is nowhere in scripture that tells us to wear this type of clothing. But we are told to cover our nakedness and to wear modest clothing.

    The meanings of the words tells us that being fully clothed would cover our form…our curves and crevices. We have some latitude in what we wear as believers, but we do not have permission to wear the modern swimsuit or tightly fitted clothing in public. These things would have been considered under garments at best, scripturally speaking.

    Believers do not have the right to swim and sunbathe publicly. It is a modern contrivance that has produced the gradual erosion of public modesty which the Bible is explicit about. Going along with our culture is not being a light to the world. It is not being salty salt. Judgment begins in YHWH’s house.

    1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    Matthew 5
    Mt 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of men.
    14 Ye are the light of the world. A city that is set on an hill cannot be hid.
    15 Neither do men light a candle, and put it under a bushel, but on a candlestick; and it giveth light unto all that are in the house.
    16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
    17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
    18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    We are to live by every word of YHWH, not just the ones that fit into our culture. If we want to do more than just call ourselves believers and only honor YHHW with our lips, we need to repent of our ideas and start living His way.

    Mt 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

    Matthew 3
    7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to flee from the wrath to come?
    8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

    Those Pharisees and Sadducees fit right into their culture, even the then functioning religious culture…but they were in grave danger. They thought that their lifestyles were just fine, maybe even more than fine than those around them…they probably thought that they were “saved.” The wrath to come is still coming. Are we willing to really live by every word that YHWH has spoken by learning those words and putting them all into practice, or do we just want to continue to think that we are just fine while we continue down our culture’s, even our religious culture’s, wide road to destruction.

    Shalom

  28. Bo, i enjoy your post- though they are way too long winded. I would listen to that debate between you and Greg.

  29. The New Testament does not exclude women, as a class, from speaking in church services. In 1 Corinthians 14:34, the word used for “women” is “gune” . This word means either “woman” or “wife,” depending on the context. Verse 35 says, “But since [first class condition]they wish to learn something, let them question their husbands at home…” These “women” are actually married women; the word “gune” is more accurately translated “wife”. These wives were being disruptive by asking their husbands questions out loud in the church service.

    This passage must also be understood in its context. Starting in verse 27, Paul lists three groups of people whose talking have been disruptive, causing trouble and confusion in the Corinthian church.

    First, there were too many people talking out in tongues. After two or three of these speakers
    have spoken, the rest should be “silent”. The word for “silent,” “sigao,” consistently means
    “to cease using your voice to be disruptive”.

    Second, some disruptive prophets hogged the floor and refused to let other prophets speak.
    These disrupters should cease their excessive speaking and “be silent” in the assembly. The spirits of prophets can and should subject themselves to the prophets, acting in ultimate subjection to God. Such disruptive behavior is not of God; God is a God of peace.

    These disruptive wives form the third problem group (v.34-35). They should cease (“sigao”) their disruption–continually (“lalein” a present infinitive, indicating a frequent problem) asking their husbands questions out loud (as “laleo” is used in this context). They should, instead, subject themselves, as the law “says”.

    “Says” is a different word, “lego,” indicating specific word content, hence a quotation. The “law,” as Paul uses the word in 1 Corinthians 14:21, refers to the entirety of the Old Testament, as represented by the Greek translation, the “Septuagint,” made about 200-180 BC. This translation is consistently used by Paul in his OT quotes. However, the only word which is mentioned by Paul is “hupotasso,” “let them subject themselves”. In the Septuagint, the word “hupotasso” refers only to subjection to an earthly king, or subjection to God. Back in verse 32, the same word is used of the prophets, whose ultimate subjection is to the God of peace. Therefore, both the local context and
    the word’s usage in the Septuagint indicate that these wives also should subject themselves to the
    God of peace and should should stop their shameful disruption of asking their husbands questions out loud, in the church service.

    Paul is correcting specific, local problems, but this correction should be applied to all other
    congregations having the same problem.

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