A Special Anniversary Show, and Dr. Brown Reports on the Kosher Jesus Debate with Rabbi Shmuley

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Dr. Brown and Nancy celebrate 36 years of marriage today (and there are two other anniversaries celebrated today too) and gives an update on last night’s New York City with Rabbi Shmuley and answers additional audience questions from the debate.

 

Hour 1:

 

Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: The Jesus who changed the world was not a failed freedom fighter. He was not a diluted Messiah who failed to crush Rome. Oh no, He was a much more radical revolutionary. He was the One who swayed the world through sacrificial love!


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Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: To every husband and man: be who God called you to be. Love your wife as Jesus loved the church. Give your life for her and say, “God here I am to bless her life.” Blessings will come to your family!

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20 Comments
  1. Happy anniversary, Dr. Brown. My wife & I will be married 34 years in June. Marriage, family, tribe: that’s the Father’s original plan.
    Just saw on AP that owners are ‘giving away’ the D.L. Moody 200+ acre campus in Northfield, Ma. The catch is, someone must show they have enough resources to run it. Interested?
    The locals don’t want Liberty U. to take it, according to the article. The first Messianic Christian university in the U.S. would be a good fit there, don’t you think?
    Just across the Connecticut River on the other side is an area called ‘Satans Kingdom’, I found on the map. This is near the northern Mass. border; I investigated the southern Mass. Connecticut valley border area many years ago when we lived on Cape Cod; there is an old Native Am. trade and postal route (marked for miles by stone) called The Great Trail of New England in an old book I obtained; because of private property rights (and the gov’t. refusal to acknowledge native rights in New England) this priceless piece of American history has been nearly completely ignored (the ‘Indians’ were forever given Oklahoma instead, recall). Oh yes, and Shekinah glory manifested (big-time) in Agawam, Ma. in Jan. 1995.
    Pray about it.
    In Him, Ron M.

  2. Congratulations to one great Bible commentator — and to you,too, Dr Brown!

    I loved the recent broadcast where you honoured Mrs Brown by telling us how she opened up the Scriptures and cleared up an apparent confusion. It’s always lovely when you make some little sweet aside, like telling us of how you met when Nancy was an atheist. Are you going to repeat it on the programme today?

    Hope the debate goes well.

  3. Dr. Brown,

    Will the debate be available on your website soon? Concerning Jesus being a kosher Jew, I suppose that Rabbi Schmuley didn’t argue, as some do, that Jesus ate the Passover meal one day early. I’ve heard that argument used against His being kosher. Some NT Scriptures refer to it being a Passover meal but others imply that it was the day of preparation.

    Can you clarify which it is or why it is considered a Passover meal?

    Thanks.

  4. Can anyone explain what I’m misunderstanding about kosher Jesus? I guess I have a mental block when it comes to being able to answer the seeming discrepancy. (post #5)

    I realize Dr. Brown’s is rare these days, so if anyone else can jump in, please do. I don’t know how to answer to it. I won’t be purchasing Rabbi Shmuley or Dr. Brown’s book anytime soon and I’m unable to give my neighbor an answer to it.

    Thanks.

  5. I did search these terms on this forum:

    The last supper
    Jesus passover meal
    Jesus passover
    Jesus meal with disciples
    Day of preparation
    Was Jesus torah observant
    Jesus last meal

  6. Sheila,

    Y’suha was eating with His disciples the night before the Passover was to be slain, but since it was after dark, it was the 14th of Abib which is the date that the passover was to be killed. So it was Passover but not the time for the passover to be offered.

    John says that it was before the Passover that they were eating, meaning before it was slaughtered and eaten. It was to be slaughtered on the afternoon of the 14th and eaten after dark, which would be in the 15th of Abib.

    The 15th is an annual sabbath (1st day of unleavened bread), so the 14th is a preparation for that high day. Messiah was killed on the 14th day of the month at the time of the evening sacrifice. He is the lamb of YHWH…the one that He chose that was without blemish.

    I think that Messiah was having a teaching seder on the night that He was betrayed so that His disciples would recognize Him in the symbolism of the Passover celebration. I do not think that Y’shua was instituting a new thing called communion. He was asking us to remember His death every time we celebrate Passover.

    He could not eat the Passover and be the Passover at the same time. He did not sin. He did not celebrate the Passover on the wrong day, as that would be sin/disobedience to the statutes of YHWH. He was Biblically kosher, but not necessarily Rabbincally kosher. He took issue with some of their additions and rulings concerning torah. He upheld every word of YHWH. He is that Word…The Word. He taught us to keep torah. If He didn’t, there would be no light in Him. He would not be the light of the world.

    John 9
    5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.

    Isaiah 8
    20 To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

    Matthew 5
    19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

    Isaiah 50
    10 Who is among you that feareth the LORD, that obeyeth the voice of his servant, that walketh in darkness, and hath no light? let him trust in the name of the LORD, and stay upon his God.
    11 Behold, all ye that kindle a fire, that compass yourselves about with sparks: walk in the light of your fire, and in the sparks that ye have kindled. This shall ye have of mine hand; ye shall lie down in sorrow.

    It is not good to walk in our own light…our own ways. We should be keeping Passover in remembrance of Y’shua and not doing communion that was invented by man. Do we want to make our Father joyful by being great in His kingdom? Do we walk in our own ideas/light?

    Shalom

  7. Hi Dr. Brown,

    If I heard you correctly you said you had your first encounter with your lovely wife in May of 1974. I was born one month later. =]

  8. Bo,

    Thanks for your reply. What you said, “He could not eat the Passover and be the Passover at the same time”, was the first thing I considered. I want to use Gen. 22 and show the fulfillment of the prophesy spoken by Abraham.

    ESV – Gen 22:13 – 14
    And Abraham lifted up his eyes and looked, and behold, behind him was a ram, caught in a thicket by his horns. And Abraham went and took the ram and offered it up as a burnt offering instead of his son. So Abraham called the name of that place, “The LORD will provide”;* as it is said to this day, “On the mount of the LORD it shall be provided.”*

    Footnotes:
    * Or will see
    * Or he will be seen

    I know the KJV reads differently and other translations have replaced “it shall be ‘seen’ (H7200)” with “shall be ‘provided.'” Perhaps, then, we could read it as, “On the mount of the LORD we will see [the substitution] He has provided.” It seems reasonable to me.

    Then the Exodus and Lev, Deut. 16:1-4, and others gave me a better idea of the order of things:

    Exd 12:5 Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male a year old. You may take it from the sheep or from the goats,

    Exd 12:6 and you shall keep it until the fourteenth day of this month, when the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill their lambs at twilight.

    Exd 12:7 “Then they shall take some of the blood and put it on the two doorposts and the lintel of the houses in which they eat it.

    Exd 12:8 They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted on the fire; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it.

    Lev 23:5 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight, is the LORD’s Passover.

    Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread.

    Back to the New Covenant Scriptures. Here’s my problem:

    Mat 26:17 Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Where will you have us prepare for you to eat the Passover?”

    Luk 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed.

    Luk 22:8 So Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat it.”

    Luk 22:9 They said to him, “Where will you have us prepare it?”

    Mark 14 says things that don’t seem to follow the order of events of the Passover.

    Back to the New Covenant Scriptures where my understanding stalls.

    Mat 26:17 Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus, saying, “Where will you have us prepare for you to eat the Passover?”

    Luk 22:7 Then came the day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed.

    Luk 22:8 So Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, “Go and prepare the Passover for us, that we may eat it.”

    Luk 22:9 They said to him, “Where will you have us prepare it?”

    Read the events of Mark 14, I’m not going to post them all as there are to many and Mark says things that don’t seem to follow the order of Passover.

    Then Jesus shares the last supper with them, the bread and the wine. Jesus and His disciples must have eaten leavened bread with the wine. It sounds like Melchizedek’s meal with Abraham; Abraham and the offering up of Isaac being indicative of this specific Passover. Jesus and some desciples then go to the Garden of Gethsemane and He is betrayed. He is interrogated that night into the next day when He is crucified.

    I don’t see how it adds up. I just don’t follow it. I’m not doing well with those Scriptures. Look again at Exodus 12:6.

  9. Sheila,

    They probably did not eat leavened bread when Messiah said this is my body, as our Messiah is without sin/leaven. His was an unleavened life/body that was broken for us.

    Preparing for Passover includes emptying the dwelling of leaven. I think that this is done traditionally on the night of the 14th. They could have been eating either before or after the clean up. They could have just bought unleavened bread in Jerusalem and not had any leavened with them.

    There may have been both leavened and unleavened bread in the house, but I’m convinced that it was unleavened bread that Messiah used in unleavened in His demonstration. The scripture does call the 14th the “day of Unleavened Bread, on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed.” This could be indicative of the custom of ridding the house of leaven on the beginning/night of the 14th.

    If Messiah was doing a teaching ceder, it might still be called the Passover that He would eat with His disciples. We know for sure that the meal He ate with them was not the Passover proper that is supposed to be slaughtered on the 14th and eaten early on the 15th.

    John 13
    1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
    2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him;

    We also see no mention of lamb at the meal. I think that Y’shua was doing a teaching ceder. He ate a teaching Passover ceder with His disciples and would expect them ,I’m sure, to eat the passover the next night, if they were not unclean by a dead man or on a long journey. He would not want them cut off from Israel.

    Numbers 9
    10 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the LORD.
    11 The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.
    12 They shall leave none of it unto the morning, nor break any bone of it: according to all the ordinances of the passover they shall keep it.
    13 But the man that is clean, and is not in a journey, and forbeareth to keep the passover, even the same soul shall be cut off from among his people: because he brought not the offering of the LORD in his appointed season, that man shall bear his sin.

    We do not see the Messiah and His disciples staying in the dwelling in which they ate, but leaving for the Garden. This is not allowed on the actual Passover night. We also see the disciples assuming that Judas was going to buy something for the feast. There is no business allowed on the first day of unleavened bread, which is when the passover is eaten. We see a multitude of devout Jews going out on that night to arrest Y’shua. They would not do that on the convocation day. It is stated emphatically that the day that Y’shua died was the preparation day for the Unleavened bread “high day.” That is Passover day.

    Shalom

  10. Bo,

    Thanks for taking the time to help me. I haven’t read the link yet and I certainly won’t hold you to anything else I find there.

    I say leaven at the meal because the feast of unleavened bread does not begin until the time of the passover sacrifice, it says “at twilight.” (evening–or the sixth hour I believe) So how would the last supper have included unleavened bread if it was to be eaten with the lamb that was slain? I’m reading that the feast of unleavened bread starts the same night as Passover right? But, that beginning with the Passover the Feast was called the “Feast of Unleavened Bread.” So, is it that during the first century, the preparation of removing all leaven which may have taken days (I have no idea why) on into the Passover and the seven days following (beginning on the 15th according to Scripture) were collectively spoken of as “The Passover?” Which would make the Feast an eight day feast–plus however long it took to remove leaven. Even the tiniest crumb I’ve read.

    Exd 12:8 They shall eat the flesh that night, roasted on the fire; with unleavened bread and bitter herbs they shall eat it.

    Lev 23:5 In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight, is the LORD’s Passover.

    Lev 23:6 And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to the LORD; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread.

    I’ll read it in a bit. I really need to take a break from it for a while, it’s just becoming more and more jumbled up in my head.

  11. The Lord in taking our sin (leaven) upon Himself could have eaten leaven that evening couldn’t He?

    Jim-mo-netty! I can’t even explain what I’m trying to ask?!

    Just nevermind! Nevermind. I’m a frustrated mess right now.

  12. @Sheila,

    In the Torah it says,

    “For a seven-day period you shall eat unleavened bread, but on HaRishon you shall nullify the leaven from your homes.” Exodus 12:15

    You’d think HaRishon means the first day of the seven-day period, but Rashi gives the example of HaRishon meaning prior/previous to/before in Job 15:7.
    In fact Artscroll translates HaRishon in Exodus 12:15 as ‘the previous day’.
    With this knowledge that HaRishon in the context of Passover does not mean the first of the seven, the 15th, but HaRishon means the day before the seven days, the 14th of Nisan.
    It means the day when the first activities related to the Passover kick off – the day of preparation.

  13. Joshua F,

    I definitely read the time or date of your post wrong the first time. I don’t know which, but it’s clear now that I wasn’t reading something right. Believe me, I’m the one in another time zone right now! I really appreciate your looking into it with me. I hope you didn’t take it the wrong way as if I meant you were way off the mark or something. Sorry, it’s just me messing up.

    Thanks Bo. Thanks David.

    I’m going to re-read the posts and links and relevant Scriptures again (it’s more like again and again and again). I want to understand it from every possible angle and to be able to answer any objections that might come up. Before I’ll ever be able to accomplish that I first need to thoroughly understand it myself! The only problem (okay not really) is that my attention deficit together with my inability to comprehend and retain what I’ve just read two minutes ago is very much front and center right now. My prayer life is suffering because my mind inevitably drifts away from my communion with the Lord. It’s not good at all.

    One other request please. I really do need everyone of your prayers right now. I mean just pour out all you’ve got on me. I want to feel them raining down because I’m in desperate need of them!

    We’re supposed to hold each other up right? So, if someone could just grab me under the arms and pull that would be good. 🙂

  14. Dr. Brown,

    Were you not discussing with the Rabbi in the debate the night of Christ’s betrayal and the disciples taking up weapons, Peter cutting an ear off and you responded that He didn’t come to conquer Rome but to conquer sin and death and be our Passover Lamb?

    Isn’t this show about being able to witness to the truth of Messiah to the Jewish people? That He was kosher but much more than just another revolutionary? I don’t understand how the topic of the night of the Passover is getting off track. The excerpts you played from the debate were what prompted my questions.

    If you want me to move it to a Passover Blog Page somewhere on your site I’ll be happy to do that.

    I hope it wasn’t my request for your prayers that was off topic. Because if the members who receive greater honor within the Church deliberately distance themselves from the lesser members of Christ’s Body who are struggling that would be hurtful to those on the bottom and disrepectful to Christ who is the Head of His Church.

    Congratulations on your anniversaries. The one I’ve just celebrated was removing my sister from her life support.

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