Dr. Brown will discuss some of the major errors that have crept into the Church today — in the name of the gospel! — and are causing great damage in many lives.
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Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: The foundations are shaking all over the world and society. The stability will come from God’s people when we are stable, grounded, and when the Word of God is our foundation.
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Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: When we see chaos in our society and compromise in the church, that is a warning sign for us to look at our own lives more carefully, to live with more circumspection, and to say, “Lord I am going to please you heart, soul, and mind, strength, body, and spirit.”
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The End of The American Gospel Enterprise by Dr. Brown: This book is for: Everyone hungry for more of God… Everyone jealous for the true glory of God… Everyone who knows that something great is missing from the American Church.
Revolution in the Church by Dr. Michael Brown In a dynamic and lively writing style, Michael Brown expresses erroneous practices and beliefs popular today, challenging you to make some radical transformations.
Country a Mess? Blame the Church online article by Frank Turek:
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David R,
have you got a copy of David Pawson’s book ‘When Jesus Returns’ ? A book Michael has recommended.
It is available in paperback or ebook.
http://www.amazon.com/When-Jesus-Returns-ebook/dp/B004JHY7QS/ref=sr_1_1?s=digital-text&ie=UTF8&qid=1328603268&sr=1-1
He discusses the various teachings that have been produced by different wineskins. He also calls a spade a spade,so to speak,and discusses what Jesus revealed to John.
A TREMENDOUS book.
@Mark, no, but I’d love to get it someday as I know David Pawson is a quality truth teacher, and is not wishy washy at all, but honest about the word of God. I’ve watched numerous videos of his online and I’ve always enjoyed them, and everything I heard from him, I agreed with, except for the validity of the Tora commandments. He believes in a law of Christ which replaced the law of Moses. I believe Christ made it clear nothing would replace the commandments till heaven and earth passed away, though Christ did magnify the law and expound its deeper aspects. Don’t just not commit adultery, don’t even covet thy neighbour’s wife by committing adultery with her in your heart (paraphrase). This kind of law/teaching is Christ’s take/perspective of how we should look at THEE law of God. That’s why Christ is the ultimate Rabbi/teacher ever. He taught us the true essence of the law of God.
David R,indeed I do NOT agree with everything David says down to the last jot ‘n tittle myself.
Because we are all fallible,if you have two people in perfect agreement you either have collusion,or one subjecting his views to the other.That can lead to the making of a wineskin.
A few years back I made the classic mistake of reading dozens of books ABOUT Holy Scripture,rather than Holy Scripture itself ; at the time I was not aware of the range of deceptions among Evangelicals. Looking back,perhaps MOST (maybe ALL) of the books I read were penned by sincere people,but VERY FEW were penned by people with a truly OBJECTIVE understanding.
The Bride has tremendous need of Bible teachers who are BALANCED,OBJECTIVE,and authentically DIPPED (in the Holy Spirit),and who HUMBLY and RESPECTFULLY stand OUTSIDE all SUBJECTIVE man-made Second Covenant wineskins/denominations/camps. Such men are,alas,rather thin on the ground.
David Pawson is a rare find. If a person wanted to build a library of high quality nutricious teaching on the narrow Way,’When Jesus Returns’ is one of the books to get. That book gets the Bride prepared for the 42 month warfare of the beast.
David R.,
some of the premises of what you assert are ‘out there’ regarding the people of God as being not scriptural. For example, the supposition that Gentiles are grafted into “Israel”. In the passage of Romans the Gentiles are grafted in to the family tree stemming from faith in Father God, not Israel. Israel is to be regrafted in the future is clear enough from the passages involved. This topic is addressed clearly in Michael Brown’s book, OUR HANDS ARE STAINED WITH BLOOD: regarding who is Israel, as is defined in scirpture. You are certainly correct in saying that such interpretations have kept camps of doctrine in the church at large located in this world, over time, and that some of these doctrines have stemmed from interpretations of eschatology made prior to the existence of the restored State of Israel (1917, 1948). Who is Israel is consistent in scripture, and that Gentiles do not become Jews, and/or Israel is certainly established in a careful study of Romans 9-11. Also early Ephesians states that believers, Gentiles or Jews, become, in Christ, ONE NEW MAN, not collectively Israel. It is understandable that over time replacement theology was the norm, and the murderous fruit of such is also a sad legacy of church history.
This is an especially important study for understanding the Father’s Redemptive Intention, for, Jesus ushered in many changes to a former covernant believer’s position in God, when in Christ. The letter to the Hebrews pretty much covers how He has changed access to the Father, acceptance in the various positions a believer is given in Christ, and who Christ is and how He Himself overshadows all earlier covenant realities–by fulfilling them, past, present, and future. The phrase “The New and Living Way” has replaced the Aging Covenant of Moshe, not the Gentiles the Jews.
That God has a Plan of Promise for the Jews of natural Israel, as well as the Jews composing spiritual Israel is the stuff of mystery, unveiling, and promise regarding the purposes purposed of their Promised Messiah carrying out His obligations to the Prophets of Old including in the Land of the People of the Book (Acts 3:21, also see the covenant made with David).
It is time to lay Augustine and Scofield aside, open one’s eyes to Daniel, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Amos, Joel, Ezkl., Zech., etc., and their prophetic placements, and make two columns on Messianic interpretation: ‘fulfilled in the visitation of Jesus,’ ‘to be fulfilled on the Return of Jesus’. Another column can be made as well, “Promised Israel through Messianic Prophetic Completions”, with checks for ‘occurred’, ‘has not occurred’. Plus, it has been shown over time that more than one fulfillment can happen, according to context. But, be circumspect about past Roman completions prior to AD 70 regarding antiChrist, the spirit of which is in the world increasingly in our time.
Pan Israel theories are the stuff of stumbling block inclusion/exclusion, language origins misinterpretations, and vanity. Unless born a Jew, or so converted in one’s history, one is not a Jew. And, for example, taking on prophetic statements made about Judah, or Ephriam, is the wrong trail, for, their are many negative prophecies, as well as reconciliations mentioned in the Hebrew prophets. Why would any believer in Jesus want to become Ephriam, as asserted by some false modern supposed Messianic teaching, if they read all the prophecies about Ephriam? It would be a cafeteria approach to prophecy to choose the positive and ignore the negative, and to assert the radical leap to assume the cloak or name of Ephriam simply because of a very loose interpretation of Ephriam’s identity, and a desire to be somehow associated with that Middle Eastern branch of past Semetic history.
I read of the Templars, and other Latin derivative conspiracy theories, giving far to much belief and credence too to their past written dogmas, where, once again, focus is removed for prophetic completions from Jerusalem and the surrounding and Northern and Southern nations which, for example, Daniel mentions, and on to some Gentile world conspiracy theories stated by some as facts and shake my head in wonder at the orientation of supposed believers in Christ to these subjects and matters.
Eschatology must look at context in the Prophets of Old, one by one, passage by passage, and section by section to orient who is natural Israel, what part of it becomes spiritual Israel, and how the summer is near for the Return based on what happens now primarily in natural Israel as far as counting the time of Daniel, the linearity of a carefully approached Revelation of John as to timeframe, and the words of the Lord while overlooking the Temple and Jerusalem from the Mt. of Olives. He, not we, is the center of Prophetic completion and redemption.
It is time the bride made herself ready, trimmed her lamps, and stood on the Promises made to her, whether in the chosen Land, or in the Nations: it is Christ in us which is the hope of Glory, service, and Promise.
Recommended to sort out the current Messianic mess are the books of Dan Juster and Asher (Keith) Intrater on the Church, the Last Days, and Israel. These are mature and maturing words for the New Man of Christ in Us for these times. Confusion by following most last century and earlier interpretive models should be avoided in order to not spin one’s wheels, comsume one’s days, and one’s energy over disputable and vain matters of interpretation. Let us set our sights ahead, to conditions made possible for the Return, and a faithful service (II Cor 4:5, and this whole section is sobering in this regard).
Jabez,
Council demands some format, be it dictatorship, moderation, pure brainstorming, whatever. “Decency and order” became one man standing on a platform every week giving a sermon. But this will not suffice for these last days. What then? Is your interpretation of what Jesus expects of us better than any other blogging here or elsewhere on LOF? This is not criticism, but trying to get you to think about how a council, local, regional, or national, could work together, which is Biblical, but nearly untried in practice.
In Him, Ron M.
@Jabez H.,
So tell me, where in the New Jerusalem is a gate for the Gentiles?
Compare that with Ezekiel 48:
So again, if you can show me a thirteenth gate in the New Jerusalem, please do. Just remember that the New Jerusalem comes down onto the New Earth after the great white throne Judgement.
You might read the mention of the foundations of Apostles and the New Jerusalem. Here is the complete answer regarding the nations, or gentiles:
Revelation 21:
23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.
So, just think, all those gates will be entered by those of the nations in the Christ.
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As for forming a council, which offers counsel. Read carefully the three parables surrounding the sudden call to the Bride to come. The Call to North America to form such a council will soon be made. Let it be so.
There has already been a recent council to elect Rick Santorum as president. But I am not sure a Catholic is going to support Israel the way we want. That’s why I ask Dr. Brown to take the next step and comment on this. I don’t see any push for the Pope to make Jerusalem the holy city intead of Rome, in his thinking.
In Him, Ron M.
RDM,
Again, #60 presents as a little cryptic as to orientation to the Kingdom of God, in Christ. My own received Call to Consecration, Repentance, etc. for 2012 did involve a merginf of Council with any solicitation of empowerment. This is in regard to the Church, revival, and renewal visitation. This is linked primarily to sharing the directive of Jesus regarding His Gospel and the specifics of the Commission He gave till the End of the Age.
Though it remains interesting to see what is happening in the primaries of the Republican Party, and on occasion what affects the so-called Pope, whatever happens seems peripheral to direct involvment with the callings and giftings of the Kingdom of God and His Christ. Paul succintly outlined what he held as “my [his] gospel”. He also commented much on church order, government, ministries, gifts, etc.
A North American Call to Renewal then encompasses acting on the eternal counsel of God in Christ–primarily undergirding the strength of His Gospel as sufficient for the salvation of mankind. These other interests in power politics, geopolitcally and contient wide remain needful information, but do not compose any basis for the Day of Atonement Call of 2012, past described as to the particulars of the Asbury model.
In Christ, Jabez H.
third line correction, first paragraph. merginf=merging. fourth line, last paragraph. contient=continent. Thanks for charting with these corrections.