Are there any parts of the Old Testament that are obsolete for followers of Jesus? How about the teachings of Jesus?
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Dear Dr. Brown,
Could you please further comment/clarify your interpretation of Hebrews 8:13? I am curious what it means when it speaks of the covenant becoming obsolete.
Thanks very much, blessings.
Eric,
I talked about it some in the first hour but am about to address it in more depth now in the second hour.
Thanks Dr. Brown!
My Pastor reads out of the OT a lot. I love the OT and NT.
There are so many good books in the OT.
ex)
Hosea 1:2
2 When the LORD began to speak by Hosea, the LORD said to Hosea:
“ Go, take yourself a wife of harlotry
And children of harlotry,
For the land has committed great harlotry
By departing from the LORD.”
Then in Hosea 3:1-4
1 Then the LORD said to me, “Go again, love a woman who is loved by a lover[a] and is committing adultery, just like the love of the LORD for the children of Israel, who look to other gods and love the raisin cakes of the pagans.”
2 So I bought her for myself for fifteen shekels of silver, and one and one-half homers of barley. 3 And I said to her, “You shall stay with me many days; you shall not play the harlot, nor shall you have a man—so, too, will I be toward you.”
4 For the children of Israel shall abide many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or sacred pillar, without ephod or teraphim. 5 Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the LORD their God and David their king. They shall fear the LORD and His goodness in the latter days.
How about that? This shows how much the Lord LOVES US!!
We need the whole bible to truly know the Lord.
“My Pastor reads out of the OT a lot. I love the OT and NT.” – Debbie
I have heard the Jews don’t like their book being called old. Maybe you should say First and Second Testament instead, hah.
Juan…LOL
Juan and Debbie, yes, I discussed First and Second Testament terminology on the air today too.
The Bible speaks about the return of Yeshua, as if it was only days away, as if it was going to happen any minute, yet it’s been thousands of years – the same is true of the ‘will soon disappear’ of the old covenant. It’s important to know when the Bible is speaking from God’s point of view with regards to time, or we may end up like Harold Camping’s followers. God’s timing is perfect and sometimes He doesn’t do things straight away when we want Him too. The ‘will soon disappear’ of the old covenant happens at the end of the millennium, when Yeshua says,
It’s also worth mentioning that even though Herod’s temple was created by the word of a pagan, Cyrus the Great of Persia, Yeshua called it,
and the apostles
The old covenant is tied to this world and has a temple in Jerusalem. As 1 Kings 9:3 says,
While the new covenant is tied to the new world in which there is no temple,
God’s plans will not be thwarted. He had a plan and purpose for the Mosaic covenant, and Israel never completely fulfilled that plan, but God’s plan and purposes for it will be fulfilled in the millennium, and then the world will see what God intended and all the nations shall stream forth to Jerusalem.
David,
Pretty impressive foci you share, me thinks.
The only change I’m aware of to the old covenant is that we now have a high priest in the real temple in heaven who is himself blameless and without sin, who is not a servant of God, but His son. And also that we are not to let the Jewish authorities to stop us preaching Yeshua.
Also if you read Ezekiel some of the details of the sacrificial system have changed. Ezekiel is very difficult for the Rabbis because the Nasi, the Messiah, is the priest in the manner of Malki-Ṣadiq and they don’t believe he should be in there doing the things he does. They only believe in the Levitical priesthood. This has lead Rabbis to say, the Nasi can’t be the Messiah, because the Messiah is not a priest, from their perspective anyway.
There are also Christian objections to the Nasi being Yeshua, such as, how could He offer a sacrifice for himself, when He is sinless? The answers to that one is:
This passage boggles the mind of many, how could
Yeshua, the spotless lamb of God be baptised for repentance, when He Himself had no sin?
The answer,
Yeshua condescended to leave all the glory He had in heaven, to be born in a manager. Consistently in his ministry, He would do things to model right behaviour to us. Even if He had no sin, He would model repentance through baptisim, so that we could learn from His example. The same is true in Ezekiel’s temple. He will offer a sacrifice for Himself, even though He is sinless, just as He was baptised for repentance of sins, when He had no sin.
76:10-77:11
I just wanted to shout out a huge amein to this!
I really loved that so much that I had to transcribe it! :p
If I made any errors forgive me.
Very good insight, David Roberts, and it opened up some Scriptures for me, in that “the law shall go forth from Jerusalem” in the Millenium. (For those left alive of the nations)
Now the baptism is interesting too because out of obedience to every word, Jesus fulfilled what was given to John the Baptist:
ESV – Jhn 1:33 – I myself did not know him, but he who sent me to baptize with water said to me, ‘He on whom you see the Spirit descend and remain, this is he who baptizes with the Holy Spirit.’
The points you make fit very well in two other discussions going on.
That is why the Lord tell us to love one another because that will cover all of the commandants.
Focus on Love then you will be obeying the Lord.
So yes I agree 100% about loving one another, but this love is not of the world, nor is it an abstract or personal love open to interpretation, but the love of God as revealed in the holy scriptures.
David-
Hallelujah. 🙂
Reading ABOUT God is nothing — actually being able to live WITH Him (with continuous burning) is something.
I heard the sirens, Dr. Brown lol
Dr. Brown,
I heard (from hebrew4christians.com) that the reference to the “rock that followed them” was actually a quote from the Talmud (or some secondary book); why is it called “inspired”, today, if so? Thanks.
Dr. Brown,
I can’t figure out (other than doctrinally-speaking) why we don’t follow the Old Covenant Commandments (because they’re all good), which are all attested to as beneficial by science, itself… could it be because we are not seeking the rewards, thereof? That is the only justification I can see for not deliberately following them (not that we don’t fulfill the CORE of them [righteous requirement thereof] while walking with Yeshua).
2 John 1:8
Watch yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward.
We are not seeking an earthly reward, but a reward at the revelation of the Alpha & Omega — Yeshua Messiah.
Dr. Brown,
What would that reward look like, at the return?
We’re not all going to be equal in the kingdom and some are going to be humiliated and ranked among the least in the kingdom, while others will be exalted. This is Biblical truth often never taught.
In Heaven there will be no more tears. There will be love, peace, joy, no fear at all, no sickness, no misinterpretation of the Holy Word of God. 🙂
Revelation 21:4
He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”
This is the kind of Lord I serve. A Loving, Kind, Merciful yet JUST God.
I am so grateful we are not under the Old Covenant anymore. Imagine giving an offering at church, you would have to sacrifice a bull or a sheep. Pretty bloody and gross if you ask me.
Give Praise to Jesus for His Love that He has for us.
Just to note, When I stated this “no misinterpretation of the Holy Word of God.”
I was referring to all the false religions out there. Especially to the Unitarians and New Age, etc.
No. I think the Gospel message about the future, coming Kingdom of God on earth was lost a loooong time ago. Replaced by a Christocentric, Jesus-only gospel of “good works” & other things.
David Roberts,
Lots of good points.
In the New covenant we do not need a priesthood to teach us YHWH’s rules, over and over. We are supposed to be the priests that have His law written on our hearts.
Hebrews 8
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new (covenant), he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
Please note that the word covenant is not in the text. Considering the context,the priesthood seems to be a better inserted word. The new covenant does not change the Torah…it changes the place that it is written…on our hearts now. The priesthood is changed and there are different regulations for it and different sacrifices. This is the discussion in Hebrews. The Levitical priesthood was set up in response to Israel refusing to hear YHWH for themselves.(Deut. 5:23-30) They were supposed to be a nation of priests but asked for someone else to hear from YHWH and teach them what He said. The new covenant is a reiteration of the original agreement of YHWH and His people.
Exodus 19
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the LORD commanded him.
8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the LORD hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the LORD.
9 And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever. And Moses told the words of the people unto the LORD.
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
The above two passages are the gospel in a nutshell. Hebrews expresses that the gospel was preached to them as well as to us.
Hebrews 3
18 And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient?
19 So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.
1 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it.
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it
Us agreeing to obey everything YHWH speaks is not optional to entering covenant with Him. The disobedient stumble on the stone that the builders rejected. True Biblical faith produces obedience to YHWH’s Torah.
Revelation 14
12 Here is a call for the endurance of the saints, those who keep the commandments of God and their faith in Jesus.
Revelation 22
14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
The Torah is part of every word of YHWH…man (not just the Jew) is supposed to live by it.
Matthew 4
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Exodus 19
9 And the LORD said unto Moses, Lo, I come unto thee in a thick cloud, that the people may hear when I speak with thee, and believe thee for ever…
Every word…even the ones that YHWH told Moses should be believed and acted upon forever.
Shalom
Revelation 2:4
Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken your first love.
Every word means, every word…what part of every word do we not understand? “Does All of the Teaching of Jesus Apply to Believers Today?”
Matthew 7
24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.
Does reading His words count as hearing them? Me thinks so.
Shalom
Does Jesus live in your heart BO?
Debbie Fraser,
You left out the second part. Do the first works.
Revelation 2
4 Nevertheless I have somewhat against thee, because thou hast left thy first love.
5 Remember therefore from whence thou art fallen, and repent, and do the first works; or else I will come unto thee quickly, and will remove thy candlestick out of his place, except thou repent.
What are the first works? The ones that were before ordained.
Ephesians 2
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.
Which ones were before ordained? The ones in Torah…the ones that Paul told Timothy to do.
2 Timothy 3
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
Shalom
Debbie Fraser,
1 John 2
3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1 John 3
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1 John 5
2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
We do not love Him nor is He in our hearts if we do not keep His commandments. If we continue to transgress the law we deceive ourselves.
Shalom
Debbie
Can you show me where Jesus ever said “accept me in your heart”?
All I see Jesus telling us is to “repent and believe” in something he called “the Kingdom of God” [Mar 1.14].
So let me ask you this…have YOU accepted the Gospel message of Jesus into your heart? i.e., heard and understood it!
Bo–“Hebrews 8
11 And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest.
12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.
13 In that he saith, A new (covenant), he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
“Please note that the word covenant is not in the text. Considering the context,the priesthood seems to be a better inserted word.”
It may be a better word for you to make your point but it is not the word as used in the Scripture that he was quoting.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, says the LORD, that I will make a new covenant (H1285) with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
NLT – Jer 31:32 –
This covenant will not be like the one I made with their ancestors when I took them by the hand and brought them out of the land of Egypt. They broke that covenant, though I loved them as a husband loves his wife,” says the LORD.
Strong’s H1285 – bĕriyth
5) alliance (of marriage)
b) between God and man
1) alliance (of friendship)
2) covenant (divine ordinance with signs or pledges)
This is all of it:
1) covenant, alliance, pledge
a) between men
1) treaty, alliance, league (man to man)
2) constitution, ordinance (monarch to subjects)
3) agreement, pledge (man to man)
4) alliance (of friendship)
5) alliance (of marriage)
b) between God and man
1) alliance (of friendship)
2) covenant (divine ordinance with signs or pledges)
2) (phrases)
a) covenant making
b) covenant keeping
c) covenant violation
Now if we break the New Covenant “written on our hearts” which is not an outward show of the ordinances, only the Holy Spirit would know. Who searches the deep things of God.
I backup in my editing to far and mixed the two together.
So, this, ” which is not an outward show of the ordinances” is what was representative of the “old covenant” where everyone would see that we broke it and everyone would take part in rendering the punishment of breaking it.
Now only the Lord knows our hearts. Correct?
What you refuse to admit, is that the Sinai covenant was made with “Israel” the people He took out of Egypt “to make a Name for Himself.”
Now that that dividing wall has been removed–that which kept the Israelites separate from all other people–we all become one in covenant with Messiah.
Sheila,
“What you refuse to admit, is that the Sinai covenant was made with “Israel” the people He took out of Egypt “to make a Name for Himself.”
Now that that dividing wall has been removed–that which kept the Israelites separate from all other people–we all become one in covenant with Messiah.”
You are correct. The Old Covenant was made with Israel, but so is the New Covenant.
Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, says YHWH, that I will make a new covenant with the house of ISRAEL, and with the house of JUDAH:
If you are not apart of Israel you are not apart of the covenant.
Eph 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; Eph 2:12 That at that time ye were without Mashiakh, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope, and without Elohim in the world:
So, a Gentile is someone that is not an Israelite, and who has no part in the Covenants of Promise, he has no hope, and is without Elohim and Mashiakh. Thankfully Shaul says “Wherefore remember, that ye [being] in TIME PAST Gentiles in the flesh”. They are not Gentiles anymore.
1Cr 12:2 Ye know that ye were Gentiles, carried away unto these dumb idols, even as ye were led.
Again, they were Gentiles. Gentiles have always been able to become Israelites. Even under the Old Covenant.
Est 8:17 And in every province, and in every city, whithersoever the king’s commandment and his decree came, the Jews had joy and gladness, a feast and a good day. And many of the people of the land became Jews; for the fear of the Jews fell upon them.
Shalom
“You are correct. The Old Covenant was made with Israel, but so is the New Covenant.”
“If you are not apart of Israel you are not apart of the covenant.”
I am not part of Israel even today. I have no Jewish blood that I can claim so am I not part of the New Covenant? I am. Israel exists in the Jewish people who are identified as the Israelites today, however, we can’t say that “Israel proper” is part of the New Covenant. It is only through the blood of Messiah that one enters into the New Covenant. This covenant was, in fact, extended to the Nation of Israel first. The Kingdom of God was extended to them first and the children were fed before the Gospel was extended to the Gentiles.
When Paul says, as you did, “They are not Gentiles anymore.”, he is speaking of the “one new man” gathered as such in Messiah. Paul’s witness was to those who once “were aliens from the covenant made with Israel”, he says we “were ‘outside’ of the covenant and the promises–without hope, without God in our lives” but now we are “brought near by the blood of Jesus.” He says, we “are neither Jew (Israel) nor Gentile (those citizens of all other nations and peoples) but a new creation in Messiah, Jesus” That is the mystery of the Body of Christ; we are made up of citizens and peoples from every tribe and nation now “one” in Messiah. Jews can still be Jews, Greeks can still be Greeks, Arabs, Irish and all other ethnic groups don’t change their ancestry, it’s just that their inheritance is now equal to Israel’s and is in the Jewish Messiah.
My post was in reponse to Barrett. I forgot to put your name up top.
That’s not at all to say that we cast off the “root” nor the natural branches as the Church tried to do for millenia, no, we are of the same tree now grafted in to the root and offspring of David who is Messiah. Thank you Lord!
Jesus living in your heart is the same as being born again. I guess only if you are filled with the Holy Spirit you would understand this.
Why do you suppose Jesus told the story of the good Samaritan? It is a heart story.
Again Do you have Jesus living in your heart. If you do not know that answer then you do not know who Jesus is.
Then they wonder why.
Those who are not born again Can NOt enter into the Kingdom of God.
This is Christianity 101. This is the first thing you should of known about accepting Jesus as Lord and Savior.
Read Luke 10:25-37
I would just say which ‘Yeshua’ one believes in is vital. I’m not going to sit down in God’s seat and judge whether or not people are going to be in the kingdom based on whether or not I think their ‘Yeshua’ is close enough to the real Biblical Yeshua. But that doesn’t mean we all don’t have a responsibly to make sure we’re following the real Yeshua and not a man made version of Him, a counterfeit, a pseudo-Yeshua.
The easiest way to tell if you believe in the real Yeshua or not is, do you accept ALL of His words, even the scary, harsh, and un-pc ones, or do you only accept some of them thereby rejecting the rest. This radio show was about those who reject some of the words of Yeshua. I say that is very dangerous for them, but again, I will let God be judge and decide who is in and who is out.
David=
Do you know Jesus?
Yes, I know the real Biblical Yeshua. The one who is going to return to earth and judge the world and rule from Israel for a thousand years. The one that is going to exalt and bring low everyone according to their works at his return. The one who will eat bread in Ezekiel’s temple. The one who will fight against those nations that come against Israel. The one that will institute Divine law in all His kingdom. Is that your Jesus too?
According to the holy scriptures, it doesn’t matter if you prophesy in His name, cast out demons in His name, or do many wonders in His name, but what matters is if you practice your faith without the law or not.
So those who are not practitioners of the law do not know Jesus. But who is close to Jesus according to the Bible?
So those in a loving relationship with Jesus are those who have His commandments within them and keep them.
So the friends of Jesus are those who wear the righteous acts of the saints.
I don’t have to question my relationship with the Lord Jesus. There is only ONE Jesus. Not multiple Jesus the way you claim.
David-
People like you and Bo are what you call “Religious Bullies.” You think you are doing yourself good but you are actually harming yourself.
I preach Jesus the same as any of these other GREAT MEN of God do.
DR Mike Brown
Billy Graham
David Wilkerson(the late)
Perry Stone
Charles Stanley
Seriously the list can go on and on.
Satan is the accuser of the brethren. You and Bo are falling into that category.
Again
RELIGIOUS BULLIES pat themselves on the back and do not give Praise and Glory to the Lord Jesus Christ. They want all the glory. “I did this, I did this.”
Lord have Mercy on you both.
Just to make note. I will no longer engage in a conversation with you and Bo again because light and darkness have no fellowship.
Sorry. I follow the Light of Jesus.
Are personal attacks allowed on this forum?
Debbie Fraser asked Bo if Jesus lives in his heart and asked myself if I knew Jesus insinuating that we don’t, and her last post speaks for itself.
The only thing that I’m aware of that maybe I shouldn’t have done here is to return Debbie’s loaded question back after answering it seriously. I let her bait me, and I’m sorry for falling into that. But I would never ask a question like that to a professing Christian, no matter how different our beliefs are, unless someone had already asked me it in the first place. As you can see from my posts above, I believe in not judging other’s, but letting God sit in the seat of Judgement. I just believe that we need to have solid answers to real questions that arise out of reading the scriptures in earnest.
But truly, there are many false Christs out there, but only one real one, the Biblical Yeshua of Nazareth. I never said Debbie didn’t have a relationship with him. But I did fall into her trap of returning a question that should not be asked of professing believers.