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Should we burn the Quran as an act of devotion to God? Dr. Brown discusses the recent burning of the Quran by Florida Pastor Terry Jones and the riot it sparked in Afghanistan.
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I decree in the power and the authority of Yeshua, that the individuals of the Gaza Strip be terrorized by their own rockets that they intended to fire towards the Jewish Israelites .
From a human point of view i see nothing at all wrong with burning burning the quran i dont think it is a holy book at all.I think it is a persons right to do as they see fit weather the muslims like it or not.they need to get over it.
You know, just because a person has “the right to do something”, certainly doesn’t make it the right thing to do!
Wouldn’t respect and love for those held in the sway of Islam be a better witness for Christ than inflaming them? Why would you deliberately stir up strife and put people’s lives in danger? It’s wreckless and it’s stupid and it’s vengeful! It’s malicious and we see the repercussions!! We are not called to act in these ways!
And Karsai is just as wreckless in publicizing it! It makes me ill.
Pamela,
What sort of spirit are you of? Have you forgotten the Word of the Lord?
Mat 5:43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’
Mat 5:44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,
Mat 5:45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven. For he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust.
Mat 5:46 For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors (and terrorists) do the same?
Luk 6:27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,
Luk 6:28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who mistreat you.
Luk 6:31 And as you would have men do to do, do likewise to them.
Luk 6:32 For if ye love them which love you, what thanks do you have? For sinners also love those that love them.
Luk 6:33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thanks do you have? For sinners also do the same.
Luk 6:45
“The good man brings good things out of the good stored up in his heart, and the evil man brings evil things out of the evil stored up in his heart. For out of the overflow of his heart his mouth speaks.”
“So why do you call me ‘Lord,’ when you won’t obey me?”
“Therefore be merciful, just as your Father also is merciful.”
As a sister in Christ, I am admonishing you to rethink the curse you sent out.
We should always test the spirits. That is what our Lord teaches us.
Sheila,
Since you are UNABLE to control my actions, I suggested that you take your complaints to the Lord in prayer. It is obvious from my limited interactions with you here on these forms that you are just one of my detractors.
If my decrees or prophecies cause death and destructions for others – SO BE IT! I do none of these things without first obtaining God’s approval! They cannot come to pass unless God backs up my words ~ Interesting! If my words place fear in your heart, that is a good and wise thing!
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There is only One that I fear, and you are not Him.
“Wouldn’t respect and love for those held in the sway of Islam be a better witness for Christ than inflaming them?” – Sheila
Do you object when women are mistreated by Islamic law? Or do you hold your peace out of respect for Muslims?
If you denounce Islam as false, then you may as well be burning Qurans. It seems like that would be just as inflammatory. Practically speaking I would never go out and buy a Quran to burn, nor would I steal one to burn. If they sent me one in the mail for free I would have no objection to using it to get a fire going. Then again I might not burn it, because I might read it to see what muslims read.
“As a sister in Christ, I am admonishing you to rethink the curse you sent out.” – Sheila
It suprises me that you react so to what Pamela said (the “curse” of justice). True we want the best for the Palestinians and everyone, but if they won’t change their ways then we want justice. And that’s exactly what God does, He brings justice to those who will not change their ways and we affirm God therein and in all He does.
Does Pamela hope that the people of the Gaza Strip will change the intentions they have with those rockets, such that they needn’t be terrorized? Surely.
Does God give mercy before repentance? It seems that would spoil everything. Sheila, are you going to call out the criminal justice system? If you are going to admonish Pamela, then I think you owe King David and the book of Psalms lots of criticism. How many times does King David call for justice? This is appallingly evil in your view is it not? Should children be allowed to read Psalms? Your reactions suprise me greatly.
Pamela,
I think any further claims of speaking with God’s approval, while you have the freedom to make them, will need to be tabled until May 1st. Until then, I remain skeptical that a “fear of the Lord” equates with hearing your opinion.
Juan,
A couple of things…
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On the one hand you have actions that are necessary in order to live uprightly in the truth (supporting the rights of women in Islamic territories and denouncing Islam as false). On the other hand you have actions that serve absolutely no purpose other than to deliberately inflame and cause strife (burning Qurans). The two are not comparable, as you assert.
If an atheist wanted to have a dialogue with me about how he believes my faith is misplaced, I have no problem with that and will readily engage. However, if an atheist urinates on a Bible it is a deliberate act of spite and it shows how completely opposed he is to any sort of reasonable interaction because his only goal is to mock my faith. The two scenarios are completely different and it’s unreasonable to equate them with one another.
Certainly, the saints pray for justice. However, above and beyond that, we pray for mercy. Christ on the cross did not pray for lightning to strike down his adversaries, or for them all to be crucified in like manner. He said, “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.” As we have received mercy, we pray that our persecutors would likewise receive it (see also the parable of the debtors).
Actually, yes, God does give mercy prior to repentance. See again the prayer of Jesus on the cross just mentioned, for example. Further, since we were all dead in our trespasses and enemies of God until Christ redeemed us, his atoning death for our sakes also came prior to repentance.
There is a difference between seeking justice and cursing your enemies. Consider Luke 9:54-55 on this. Also the stoning of Stephen in Acts and note the “surprising” lack of curses.
Burning Qurans serves no good purpose – it’s like poking a stick at a wasps nest. Yeah, the wasps need to chill, you haven’t caused any real harm, but good grief, when they act like wasps and attack don’t act surprised. THEY ARE WASPS, and inherent in that fact is the response that you elicit from poking their nests, you should expect nothing less.
Burning Qurans is the same idea.
Hear Ye, Hear Ye. This message here applies to all whose heart is being convicted by it. No one in particular, just whoever this may apply to.
Some people say they hear from God but it is not the Holy Spirit they are hearing from.
People who were once involved in some sort of witchcraft before coming to the Lord can still be hearing from demonic spirits and are being deceived thinking that it is truly the Holy Spirit.
Cry out to ABBA FATHER and say…”Lord let me hear your voice and your voice only”
The Lord sees all. The Lord hears all.
Father if you are in disagreement with this Pastor burning the Koran, then stop him, convict him. If you approve of the Pastor burning the Koran, then protect and comfort your people Lord. I ask this through the name above all names… Jesus the Christ.
For I am a child of the Most High.
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Hi Christian,
I’m trying to understand your post…are you suggesting that anyone who disagrees with burning the koran is not walking with the Lord?
God bless,
Larry
Hi Christian,
It appears I mis-read your post. I think I understand your prayer now. I’m sorry I missed the meaning on the first reading.
God bless,
Larry
Not a problem Larry.
“On the other hand you have actions that serve absolutely no purpose other than to deliberately inflame and cause strife (burning Qurans). The two are not comparable, as you assert.” – Tom
Could ranting against Quran burning be inflammatory to God? Seems likely, and I’d rather do what God wants than what Muslims want.
In Deut. 12 the Israelites were instructed to destroy the paraphernalia of false religion. But that’s not freedom of religion. God hates false religion.
I do think it is practically pointless to purchase Qurans to burn. The destruction of false religion doesn’t strike me as troublesome in the least though. You call this toying with a wasp’s nest, I tell you there is an infinitely bigger concern. This pastor doesn’t need to be denounced by the high and mighty – that’s the wrong response – that’s what I’m thinking. That in itself is much more outrageous to me. What he’s done is basically pointless, it was a mistake (since he purchased them), but it’s nothing to get too upset about. Christian’s should be protecting this guy, instructing him not to waste time and resources, I would think…instead of acting outraged, complaining about the risks. Showing outrage for this is like telling muslims that we wouldn’t denounce their religion.
“If an atheist wanted to have a dialogue with me about how he believes my faith is misplaced, I have no problem with that and will readily engage. However, if an atheist urinates on a Bible it is a deliberate act of spite and it shows how completely opposed he is to any sort of reasonable interaction because his only goal is to mock my faith.” – Tom
People who aren’t so sure might be worth speaking with…but you would be wise not to cast pearls before swine, even if you have high hopes for the dialogue. Some atheists may not urinate on Bibles but many truly hate God and will speak “civilly” with you to degrade and mock what you believe.
“Certainly, the saints pray for justice.” – Tom
I guess Pamela could potentially be a saint, based solely on her first comment above then.
“Christ on the cross did not pray for lightning to strike down his adversaries” – Tom
But he could have. Would you complain about that and say “Whoa there Jesus, you must not know God. Now, now you’ll upset the Romans” as was effectively said to Pamela.
“He said, “Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.”” – Tom
Forgive them for everything? Or forgive them for having Jesus killed? Was that a ticket to heaven or what exactly? I can see they were granted mercy for their destructive ignorance, there ignorant innocence, that makes sense. If I was witnessing Jesus or Stephen being killed I think I’d be praying for justice on the aggressors, not calling for mercy on the aggressors as you would apparently do. If the victim wants to do that sure, but a Christian third party…you’ve got to be kidding me.
“Actually, yes, God does give mercy prior to repentance.”
Are we talking about sunshine and rain or eternal life here?
“There is a difference between seeking justice and cursing your enemies.” – Tom
Yea, but what we’re talking about is seeking justice. Pamela called for justice on terrorists. Now are you going to accuse her of not knowing God?
“Consider Luke 9:54-55 on this.” – Tom
Good grief. The disciples weren’t calling for justice but for a display of power. Pamela called like for like simple as that.
“Burning Qurans serves no good purpose” – Tom
Burning Qurans sounds like something God would do – in Israel at least. Freedom elsewhere, I suppose.
There are some things worth getting upset about…to me it was some of these reactions. I think I’ve said plenty about this. Perhaps we can butt heads on another topic later.