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Dr. Brown answers questions about spiritual, moral, and cultural issues, including: does God still heal today?  Jewish apologetics questions with a pastor of  a messianic congregation, this week’s calls of the week and more!

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Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: God’s Word is a lamp unto our feet; God’s word is a light unto our path.  Those who walk in the ways of God’s word will not stumble.  Those that seek the truth will find it.  Proverbs 2,3, and 4 tell us to seek wisdom earnestly, and you will find it, you won’t be disappointed, and your life will bear fruit.

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Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: Truth will Triumph! 2 Corinthians 13:8 says we can do nothing against the truth, but only for the truth.  John 1:5 tells us that light shines in darkness and the darkness cannot overcome it.  Stand strong, be firm, God is with us!

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47 Comments
  1. I am curious; did the Hebrew/Jewish people ever pray to their prophets and/or spiritual leaders ex: Moses, Isiah, Abraham. If not where does the practice of praying to saints spring from? Is it a practice that started with the early church or is it a pagan adoption?

  2. Hi Matt,
    The practice of praying to saints is not seen in Protestant or Reformed Churches, who only believe in the Holy Trinity and that Jesus Christ is the one and true intercessor for us. So, we pray to God and end every prayer submitting the prayer in the name of our Savior Lord Jesus Christ. But I guess the concept of praying to Saints came about when the Catholic church started institutionalizing and according Saint statuses to human beings who do not have the divinity of Christ. Any faith that doesnt start and end with Christ as your source for faith, belief, intercession, is not right as per the true Gospel..

  3. I don’t think that it is very appropriate to declare that Jews and Gentles are equal in the Lord, but are unequal when it comes to the law of God. In other words, if God set an example for mankind of Sabbath resting after His six days of creations, then that is the example that we should follow. At that time, there were only two humans alive, Adam and Eve. There was no one called Jew or gentle at the time the law of Sabbath resting was enacted. I definitely disagree with Dr. Brown’s preaching that Sabbath keeping is not for the Gentles.

    Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. 2 Timothy 3:5

    Overall the body of Christ, the church, is severely deficient in the actual display of Divine power for this very reason, but they all do have a display of godliness. As a result, the first-day churchgoers suffer frustration in their inability to realize the fulfillment of Bible-promised divine healing within the church. Even though the 7th Day Adventist do honor the proper day, they exalt above the Bible the writings of a female prophet that are quite contrary to the Bible. Not only will God not honor with them with displays of divine power, but 7th Day Adventists are led stray from wanting displays of Divine power within their denomination because of these unbiblical writings.

    And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Matthew 28:18

    There are very few denominations that do keep 7th Sabbath. The error that exists amongst Sabbath keeping Jews is that they have not accepted Christ as their Lord and Savior. Another denomination, the Church of God Seventh Day, keeps the Sabbath and they have the witness of miraculous healings within their denomination. What I see in them is that they have not been given the zeal to take that gift of divine healing out into the world.

    The Messianic Jews are the most adherent, and they are slowly progressing towards realizing their divine duty towards the world. This avenue of divine healing must continue to increase in the world. Those of us who are alive at the time of Christ’s Second Coming can NOT stand before Him without a perfected body that is free from all diseases, deficits and deformities for that perfected body IS a part of your divine heavenly wedding garment!

    The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son, Matthew 22:2

    And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment: And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness, there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 22:11-13

  4. Pamela, please read this:

    askdrbrown.org/ask-dr-brown/35-ask-dr-brown/76-should-christians-observe-the-seventh-day-sabbath

  5. Pamela,

    You lost me here:

    “Those of us who are alive at the time of Christ’s Second Coming can NOT stand before Him without a perfected body that is free from all diseases, deficits and deformities for that perfected body IS a part of your divine heavenly wedding garment!”

    Are you implying that those within the Body of Christ who are suffering a club foot, or, who have cancer or such “will not” be gathered to Him when He comes?

  6. Paul predicted, “I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock. Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them. Therefore watch.” My own observation is that these “grievous wolves,” alone and in packs, are not sparing even the most favored flocks. Under shepherds in these “perilous times” will do well to note the apostle’s warning: “Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers.”

  7. Pamela,

    You said:

    …if God set an example for mankind of Sabbath resting after His six days of creations, then that is the example that we should follow. At that time, there were only two humans alive, Adam and Eve. There was no one called Jew or gentle at the time the law of Sabbath resting was enacted.

    Actually, the Sabbath was enacted at Sinai, long after Adam and Eve. So you’re right, there was no one called Jew or Gentile at that time, but there were “Israelites” and “everyone else”.

    We rest on the 8th day because we rest in the finished work of Christ always, and the 8th day is the one for new creation. See this article: http://joyfullygrowingingrace.wordpress.com/2009/01/29/they-changed-the-sabbath-to-sunday/
    for a good explanation of this.

  8. I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree with one another in what you say and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly united in mind and thought.

  9. Sheila,

    Let’s take the scenario that that person who suffered from a club foot lived right unto the Second-coming of Christ. That individual was deemed by God as worthy of eternal life, but during their lifetime they had refused all offers of divine healing upon their club foot. That individual kept telling everyone, “No, never mind I like my club foot.”

    Well, that individual for the event of the Second-coming of Christ would not have their appropriate wedding garment completed – a perfected body! God would have to solve that problem by having that individual die so that they may be resurrected in a perfect body in the first resurrection.

    …there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 22:13

    That gnashing of the teeth and weeping would be done by that individual as soon as they realized what they had missed out, the witnessing of the Second-coming of Christ from its beginning, in their refusal of divine healing upon their club foot.

    And ye shall offer a burnt offering for a sweet savour unto the LORD; one young bullock, one ram, and seven lambs of the first year without blemish: Numbers 29:2

    Why do you think that it was so important that the Israelites offer unto the Lord animals without any blemishes? All the great men of the Bible were men without any physical blemishes. I feel that this is good news for us, humans, who are so obsessed with looking good, and God has provided an avenue for the perfection of our bodies. That’s good news!

    And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God. He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy. Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them. Leviticus 21:16-23

    Sheila, I just discovered something! That would have to include those who have made themselves to look abnormal through the use of plastic surgery or anything else artificial. (That’s why MJ had to died!)

    For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish… anything superfluous, Leviticus 21:18

  10. Tom,

    The Sabbath was expected of YHWH’s people before Sinai. Remember the manna. Sinai was about 50 days after the Exodus. The manna regulations were about 30 days after the exodus. The statement in the 10 commandments was to remember the Sabbath, not that Sabbath keeping begins now.

    Exodus 16
    22 And it came to pass, that on the sixth day they gathered twice as much bread, two omers for one man: and all the rulers of the congregation came and told Moses.
    23 And he said unto them, This is that which the LORD hath said, To morrow is the rest of the holy sabbath unto the LORD: bake that which ye will bake to day, and seethe that ye will seethe; and that which remaineth over lay up for you to be kept until the morning.
    24 And they laid it up till the morning, as Moses bade: and it did not stink, neither was there any worm therein.
    25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field.
    26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none.
    27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none.
    28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?
    29 See, for that the LORD hath given you the sabbath, therefore he giveth you on the sixth day the bread of two days; abide ye every man in his place, let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.
    30 So the people rested on the seventh day.

    So the rest of the holy Sabbath existed before Sinai. As you can see, it was expected to be kept before Sinai. YHWH considered it one of his commandments and laws before He spoke it at Sinai. Concerning the manna incident and gathering it for 6 days and resting the seventh, please consider the following:

    Deuteronomy 8
    2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no.
    3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live.

    Will we walk in His commandments or no? Will we live by every word of YHWH? How long will we continue to break His commandments and laws?

    Here is What YHWH said about when He enacted the Sabbath:

    Genesis 2
    3 And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

    You see it was blessed and set apart from the beginning. It was holy/sanctified from the start.

    Exodus 20
    8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
    9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:
    10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
    11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

    So you see that it is a sign that we serve the one that created everything in 6 days and rested the seventh. Just like the other 9 commandments, it is being restated here, not invented or enacted here.

    Here is what Messiah said:

    Mark 2
    27 And he said unto them, The sabbath was made for man, and not man for the sabbath:

    He did not say that it was made for YHWH. He did not say that it was made for the Jews. He said that it was made for man. If He was speaking Hebrew, He said that the Sabbath was made for adam (man).

    The supposed 8th day celebration was instituted by the traditions and commandments of men. The early believers kept Sabbath and other appointed times of YHWH. They did not celebrate sun worship day, Estarte’s day, and Saturnalia (Xmas).

    Tom, you are blatantly wrong to assert that the Sabbath was enacted at Sinai. YHWH says that it was enacted at day 7 of creation. That is when it had a blessing pronounced on it. That is the day that it was sanctified. At Sinai we were commanded to remember to keep it sanctified (holy) just the way it was intended from the beginning.

    Shalom

    .

  11. Wow, Pamela.

    Ok, I’m going to take this theory (and it is a theory, not at all supported by the Biblical witness) apart now. Really, please understand that what you’ve offered here borders on (if not crosses the line outright) false teaching. Please leave this line of thinking behind.

    Let’s take the scenario that that person who suffered from a club foot lived right unto the Second-coming of Christ. That individual was deemed by God as worthy of eternal life, but during their lifetime they had refused all offers of divine healing upon their club foot. That individual kept telling everyone, “No, never mind I like my club foot.”

    Well, that individual for the event of the Second-coming of Christ would not have their appropriate wedding garment completed – a perfected body! God would have to solve that problem by having that individual die so that they may be resurrected in a perfect body in the first resurrection.

    Ok, not only do you have no scriptural support for your opinion that a perfect body is the wedding garment spoken of (a big thing in itself), but you also have the problem of evidence. Can you provide a single, solitary, verifiable instance of a club foot or a missing arm being restored in this life and thus in accord with your theory? Besides which, if God can impart “divine healing upon their club foot”, why on earth would that individual have to “die so that they may be resurrected in a perfect body in the first resurrection”? That just doesn’t add up.

    …there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. Matthew 22:13

    That gnashing of the teeth and weeping would be done by that individual as soon as they realized what they had missed out, the witnessing of the Second-coming of Christ from its beginning, in their refusal of divine healing upon their club foot.

    Your conclusion is unsupported by the verse you quote. Can you provide anything else in the realm of Biblical evidence?

    And ye shall offer a burnt offering for a sweet savour unto the LORD; one young bullock, one ram, and seven lambs of the first year without blemish: Numbers 29:2

    Why do you think that it was so important that the Israelites offer unto the Lord animals without any blemishes? All the great men of the Bible were men without any physical blemishes. I feel that this is good news for us, humans, who are so obsessed with looking good, and God has provided an avenue for the perfection of our bodies. That’s good news!

    No.
    The reason animals were to be presented without blemish was because it pointed forward to Christ, the ultimate spotless sacrifice. (book of Hebrews has bookoos on this)

    But you really lost me here: All the great men of the Bible were men without any physical blemishes.

    Really? I’m sure Job would have loved to hear that. That news probably would have made Paul’s thorn in the flesh easier to bear as well. Y’know, Jacob had quite a limp after his wrestling match with the Almighty – isn’t your theory blown apart when you consider that God Himself gave the newly named Israel that infirmity? Timothy had stomach problems, and Samson died without eyeballs.

    But you know the biggest one you missed?

    Jesus.

    Yeah, he had quite the assortment of physical blemishes, as Thomas can certainly attest. Nail marks on His hands and feet… spear wound in his side… thorn pricks on his head… not to mention the scourging scars on his back.

    I really don’t think you have a case for your statement about the great men of Scripture being without physical blemish. None whatsoever.

    And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying, Speak unto Aaron, saying, Whosoever he be of thy seed in their generations that hath any blemish, let him not approach to offer the bread of his God. For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish, he shall not approach: a blind man, or a lame, or he that hath a flat nose, or any thing superfluous, Or a man that is brokenfooted, or brokenhanded, Or crookbackt, or a dwarf, or that hath a blemish in his eye, or be scurvy, or scabbed, or hath his stones broken; No man that hath a blemish of the seed of Aaron the priest shall come nigh to offer the offerings of the LORD made by fire: he hath a blemish; he shall not come nigh to offer the bread of his God. He shall eat the bread of his God, both of the most holy, and of the holy. Only he shall not go in unto the vail, nor come nigh unto the altar, because he hath a blemish; that he profane not my sanctuaries: for I the LORD do sanctify them. Leviticus 21:16-23
    Sheila, I just discovered something! That would have to include those who have made themselves to look abnormal through the use of plastic surgery or anything else artificial. (That’s why MJ had to died!)
    For whatsoever man he be that hath a blemish… anything superfluous, Leviticus 21:18

    In light of the above examples, I think this is a misapplication of these passages.

    Sheila, anything to add?

  12. Tom,

    It’s your decision to believe what you believe. I wrote the truth! I don’t tell the Bible what it means, I let the Bible teach me the truth! The 7th day Sabbath keeping is the easiest commandment to keep. My God is an awesome God, and the glory of His power will be shown throughout the world. People will have their missing arms and legs given back to them in a miraculous way. Just watch and see Tom!

    If you refuse to follow a very simple commandment of God than you have confined yourself to dwelling in the milk of the Word, unable to digest the meat of the Word. There are many more awesome truths yet to be discovered in the Word, and those truths will be opened unto those that honor God in all things including obedience to Him through the keeping His commandments and through personal divine directions that he gives unto us as well. Just look at what God said about Abraham…

    Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.
    Genesis 26:5

  13. Pamela,

    Fair enough.

    Oh, I’m watching. I also haven’t forgotten about your prophesy re: President Obama in April.

    Definitely watching… and waiting… with bated breath.

    Take care,
    Tom

  14. In response to the charge of being called a false prophet, People, we all are called to be prophets who prophesy for the Lord. These are the last days, and nobody here is set apart here like Moses was. Remember, anything that I can do in the Lord, you all can do as well.

    And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams: Acts 2:17

  15. Jesus has also warned us that there will be many false prophets. So there will be massive amounts of prophecy, both true and false.

    Anyway, interesting show. I like the new “call of the week” thing. Hopefully Joel will continue to listen to this program and the Lord will draw him to Jesus.

  16. Pamela,

    “God did not call any other nation to observe the Sabbath, although he did open the door for Gentiles to join themselves to His covenant with Israel in Isaiah 56:4-7, which is addressed to “the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths.” So, the door was open for the Gentiles to enter into Israel’s covenant, but the specific covenantal, seventh-day Sabbath sign was given exclusively to the people of Israel.”

    Remember, you are not under the OT law. If you think you are, you will need to observe all the OT law especially the dietary laws.

    askdrbrown.org/ask-dr-brown/35-ask-dr-brown/76-should-christians-observe-the-seventh-day-sabbath

  17. The NT addresses a false prophet as an unbeliever. Even if true follower of Christ makes a mistake, they would not be categorized as false prophet.

  18. Pamela,

    Just because one prophesies doesnt mean they titled prophet. You can have the prophetic gift but not the calling of a prophet.

  19. “Our ultimate rest is found in a Person, not a day, so Sabbath observance should be both spiritual and practical. It is clear that God set up a system of weekly renewal in which we would rest from our daily labors and focus on Him. On a certain level, through the work of the Messiah, we have entered into a perpetual rest from our own labors (see Matthew 11:28-30; Romans 4:4-5; Hebrews 4:9-11). On another level, the demands and distractions of this life are ever upon us, so it is good to slow down and turn aside from these things every week, at the same time directing our attention to the Lord to find renewal in Him.
    Some of these same principles apply to Jewish believers, but we must remember that the seventh-day Sabbath was given as a special sign to Israel, and in keeping with that, it is especially appropriate for Messianic Jews to observe the seventh-day Sabbath, also worshiping as congregations on that day as well. Nonetheless, as we have stressed, this is a matter of conviction and calling, and other Jewish believers may sense a different calling and responsibility in the Lord, part of their being all things to all men so as to save some (1 Corinthians 9:20-22) and part of their liberty in the Lord. In that respect, we must always remember that, with the coming of the Messiah into the world, our relationship to the Torah was radically changed as well, and that includes our relationship to the Sabbath”

    askdrbrown.org/ask-dr-brown/35-ask-dr-brown/76-should-christians-observe-the-seventh-day-sabbath

  20. BenKC

    For we can do nothing against the truth, but for the truth. 2 Corinthians 13:8

    Since you seems to be new commenter to me, I just want to let you know that I don’t involve myself in long time-consuming debates here on these forms. They serve no purpose.

  21. Pamela,

    Ive been commenting on and off here for a few years so Im not new. If you are going to comment here and make it explicit to say this is “truth”, then you need to backup your statement and expect people to comment. If you cannot support your views, then I would suggest to hold off on voicing your beliefs unless you are hear to learn from others. Debates are great as long as we follow the rules on this forum. If you are open and humble to hear other opinions, listen to constructive criticism and correction from other brothers/sisters in Christ, it will be beneficial to all.

  22. BenKC,

    With all due respect, I am free to voice my opinions whenever I please! There are plenty of others who will engage in long debates with you. I’m NOT one of them. As I stated before, the Holy Spirit is my teacher! NOT MAN – PERIOD!!!! What can you do about that? NOTHING!!!

    Good-Bye!
    God Bless!
    Have A Nice Day!

  23. Deut. 18:20-22
    But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death. You may say to yourselves, ‘How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?’

    If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him.

    DO NOT BE DECEIVED.

  24. @Pamela, you have an issue if you cannot accept someone to teach you the Bible. The Apostles were men teaching others about the Bible.

    God appointed other people such as teachers, pastors, evangelist, prophets, apostles to share the Word of God. If you cannot accept that, then there is spiritual pride.

    @christian, if you have time, listed to this:

    lineoffireradio.com/2009/05/26/may-26-2009/

    lineoffireradio.com/2008/04/18/characteristics-of-a-false-prophetic-spirit/

  25. The apostle Paul wrote “For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.” (Gal 2:19)

    God can provide a gate, but man must enter in through it. Once through the gate we come to the cross. We can’t remain at the gate we once began from but must continue on.

    God has given us so much to learn from. We have each other and we have what was left for us by those who went on before us.

  26. Amen Ray. Good words.

    Galations 3
    22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.
    23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed.
    24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

  27. BenKC,

    Although both of those links you posted are working, the show, however, is not. When you press “play” it says “file not found”.

    Is there another way to find these programs? Possibly via iTunes on the podcast?

    Thanks.

  28. “Pamela, you have an issue if you cannot accept someone to teach you the Bible.” – BenKC

    You shouldn’t attempt to coerce Pamela into accepting your views by making these accusations (among others). Instead present what you believe to be the truth with the support you believe in… If that fails and someone won’t listen or isn’t interested then too bad.

    “God appointed other people such as teachers, pastors, evangelist, prophets, apostles to share the Word of God. If you cannot accept that, then there is spiritual pride.” – BenKC

    Ultimately the decision on who or what to believe remains with the individual. It is not spiritual pride but personal responsibility.

  29. In regards to false prophets, would you consider Agabus a true prophet even though his prophecy was not “perfect”?

    “After we had been there a number of days, a prophet named Agabus came down from Judea. Coming over to us, he took Paul’s belt, tied his own hands and feet with it and said, “The Holy Spirit says, ‘In this way the Jewish leaders in Jerusalem will bind the owner of this belt and will hand him over to the Gentiles.’” Acts 21:10-11

    When you read Acts 21:17-40, the Jews did not bind Paul and turn him over to the Romans. It was the Romans that bound Paul themselves (v.33).

    Does this make Agabus a false prophet? No. In the NT, a false prophet is not a follower of Christ. A false prophet will deny Jesus, produce bad fruit, lead you to another god and sin. These are not the characteristics of Agabus.

  30. Juan G,

    Youre missing my point in what I was trying to get across. First, heres what she said “As I stated before, the Holy Spirit is my teacher! NOT MAN – PERIOD!!!! What can you do about that? NOTHING!!!”

    Her statement suggest she will not listen to anyone even in her misunderstanding of Scripture. She states she will only hear from the “Holy Spirit” and not MAN. The problem with her statement concludes that she will not recognize that the Holy Spirit can speak through men.

  31. BenKC,

    You wrote:
    “Some of these same principles apply to Jewish believers, but we must remember that the seventh-day Sabbath was given as a special sign to Israel, and in keeping with that, it is especially appropriate for Messianic Jews to observe the seventh-day Sabbath, also worshiping as congregations on that day as well. Nonetheless, as we have stressed, this is a matter of conviction and calling, and other Jewish believers may sense a different calling and responsibility in the Lord, part of their being all things to all men so as to save some (1 Corinthians 9:20-22) and part of their liberty in the Lord.”

    “Liberty in the Lord” does not include transgressing YHWH’s law. Being all things to all men that we might save some does not include sinning with them or like them. It does not seem appropriate to murder with the murderers so that some might be saved. The same goes for adulterating and stealing…and Sabbath breaking. The light of the world and the salt of the earth is supposed to live by every word of YHWH not 80 to 90%.

    The Sabbath was made for man. That this commandment needed to be repeated to Israel after generations of slavery is no indication of a “special sign” for them. That idea comes from Jewish commandments of men that turn from the truth.

    YHWH does not have two separate groups of special people. He has one special people that He has called to be the light to the world. Part of being that light is to submit to His Holiness commands. It does not make sense that the light of the world is supposed to keep Sabbath but tell others that they do not have to do so. When we join the light, we do as they do. We become one with them.

    Isaiah 56
    6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant;
    7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

    The sons of the stranger must also keep YHWH’s 7th day Sabbath. We used to be gentiles, but are now grafted into Israel.

    Romans 11
    21 For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee.
    22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off.
    23 And they also, if they abide not still in unbelief, shall be graffed in: for God is able to graff them in again.
    24 For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural branches, be graffed into their own olive tree?
    25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    It is being wise in our own conceits when we think that the gentile church is some new breed of believer that is exempt from obeying YHWH;s rules. It is conceit to say that we do not have to keep YHWH’s commandments. It is conceit to think that the new covenant was made for gentiles. It is offered to Israel.

    Jeremiah 31
    31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

    Just like in Isaiah, we must take hold of the covenant. We must be grafted into Israel. Well that covenant that we are to take hold of is YHWH’s law…written on our heart, not 80% of YHWH’s commandments that may or may not be reiterated in a collection of letters that some man called the “New Testament.” (I accept Matthew – Revelation as scripture, but the title page was not inspired.)

    The covenants of promise belong to Israel. If we want to partake of the fatness of the root, we must be grafted in. There are not two separate sets of rules for home born and adopted Israelites. There is not even two separate sets of rules for strangers and Israelites.

    Leviticus 24
    22 Ye shall have one manner of law, as well for the stranger, as for one of your own country: for I am the LORD your God.

    The new covenant is not about portions of YHWH’s word becoming obsolete; it is about all of it being written on our hearts. There is no new law. No special diplomatic immunity. No middle wall of partition that gives gentiles an excuse for disobedience. And yes Israelites can be grafted back into their own olive tree if they do not remain in unbelief…and we can be cut back off if we fall after the same kind of disobedience as they did.

    Hebrews 3
    12 Take care, brothers, lest there be in any of you an evil, unbelieving heart, leading you to fall away from the living God.
    13 But exhort one another every day, as long as it is called “today,” that none of you may be hardened by the deceitfulness of sin.
    14 For we share in Christ, if indeed we hold our original confidence firm to the end.
    15 As it is said,
    “Today, if you hear his voice,
    do not harden your hearts as in the rebellion.”
    16 For who were those who heard and yet rebelled? Was it not all those who left Egypt led by Moses?
    17 And with whom was he provoked for forty years? Was it not with those who sinned, whose bodies fell in the wilderness?
    18 And to whom did he swear that they would not enter his rest, but to those who were disobedient?
    19 So we see that they were unable to enter because of unbelief.

    Unbelief produces disobedience. Disobedience to what? YHWH’s commandments. The deceitfulness of sin is that we think that we do not have to obey things like the 4th commandment. At least that is what the “New Testament” says.

    1 John 3
    4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
    6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
    7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

    To be continued:

  32. Continued from above:

    Have we been deceived into thinking that transgression of the law is not sin? Do we think that we can disobey the 4th commandment, or any other, with impunity? The deceitfulness of sin is tricky. Those that are deceived by it do not even know that they are deceived. They read the words of scripture and go away thinking that the part they just read is for “the Jews” or for “Old covenant believes” or at least not “for me.”

    James 1
    22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
    23 For if any be a hearer of the word, and not a doer, he is like unto a man beholding his natural face in a glass:
    24 For he beholdeth himself, and goeth his way, and straightway forgetteth what manner of man he was.
    25 But whoso looketh into the perfect law of liberty, and continueth therein, he being not a forgetful hearer, but a doer of the work, this man shall be blessed in his deed.

    We deceive ourselves. Sin deceives us. Others deceive us. They all deceive us into thinking that we can transgress YHWH’s law and still be righteous. They all deceive is into thinking that there is two separate standards…one for the Israelite, the other for the Gentile. Paul does not think so.

    Romans 2
    5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
    6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:
    7 To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:
    8 But unto them that are contentious, and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, indignation and wrath,
    9 Tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that doeth evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Gentile;
    10 But glory, honour, and peace, to every man that worketh good, to the Jew first, and also to the Gentile:
    11 For there is no respect of persons with God.
    12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without law: and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law;
    13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
    14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
    15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

    Peter does not think so.

    1 Peter 1
    14 As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
    15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation;
    16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
    17 And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man’s work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:

    John does not think so.

    Revelation 22
    11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.
    12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.
    13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.
    14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    1 John 5
    2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
    3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.

    We do not get in unless we keep His commandments. We do not keep His commandments unless they are written on our hearts (we love them). We do not love Him if we do not keep His commandments. We can only know we love Him if we keep His commandments. If we think that we love YHWH but do not keep His commandments, we are deceived just like Y’shua said we would be.

    Matthew 24
    11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
    12 And because lawlessness shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
    13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.

    So you see commandment breaking causes our love to wax cold. False prophets tell us that we do not have to keep YHWH’s commandments. We let them deceive us. Those that endure in keeping YHWH’s commandments till the end will be saved and get to enter the the city and partake of the tree of life.

    Don’t be deceived. Can a deceived person even make sense of those words? Probably not, but the warning can be heeded by those that tremble at His word.

    Shalom

  33. “Youre missing my point in what I was trying to get across.” – BenKC

    No, you’re simply mistaken. You have missed some context in your dealings with Pamela.

    “The problem with her statement concludes that she will not recognize that the Holy Spirit can speak through men.” – BenKC

    Pamela quotes the Bible, the Bible was written by men (through the Holy Spirit), therefore she recognizes what you claim she doesn’t. It looks like she got upset in dealing with you (because you overstepped your bounds) and employed imperfect language. She’s going to seek God and make up her own mind as she should – even if you think the Holy Spirit inspired you.

    Here’s what you said to Pamela:
    “If you are going to comment here…then you need to backup your statement… If you cannot support your views, then I would suggest to hold off on voicing your beliefs…”

    Is this part of the official rules or did you just fabricate it?

    “…you have an issue if you cannot accept someone to teach you the Bible.”

    Isn’t it the individual in the end that has to make up their own mind? Even you reject some Bible teachers, and accept the ones you agree with… Do you not think Pamela does the same?

    I don’t necessarily agree with anything Pamela says, but as far as I can tell she is entitled to present her beliefs here however minimally and she is entitled to reject teachers at will just like everyone else here. I don’t appreciate you attempting to restrict her unfairly even if she is wrong. You wouldn’t appreciate being treated in that manner.

  34. Juan, Im not going to provide my feedback on your response for many reasons. Feel free to email the admin of this site if you have issues with my comments.

  35. BenKC,

    I answered your post on the dietary laws section. I will also post a fun little article I wrote yesterday.

    Shalom

  36. Meaning, there is a lot to cover about your post and I dont want to give a short response/quick response. Id rather take my time to answer it but due to time, I will may get to it another day. I will not promise you that I will answer it so dont feel Im ignoring you.

  37. Tom–“Sheila, anything to add?”

    You pretty much covered it! Also, Isaac’s eyesight was gone by the time he got around to blessing Jacob and Esau. I thought first of Paul praying about his thorn, and then the others you brought up, but, you got it in, so, I begged off.

    Are you still interested in the answer to your other two questions in end time forum?

    I’d love to tackle them.

  38. BenKC,

    I will look forward to your response. Please explain why the scriptures I posted do not mean what they seem to straight forwardly say when you get the chance.

    Shalom

  39. Blessings for Those Abused for Jesus

    “People will hate you because you belong to the Son of Man.
    They will make you leave their group. They will insult you.
    They will think it is wrong even to say your name. When these
    things happen, know that God will bless you. At that time you
    can be happy and jump for joy, because you have a great
    reward in heaven. Their fathers were mean to the prophets in
    the same way that these people are mean to you.”

    — Luke 6:22-23

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