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Hour 1:
Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: We should live with anticipation of the return of Jesus and the day when He will destroy the wicked from the earth, then establish His perfect kingdom here. We should live eager to stand before Him, clean and pure on that day. In light of the fact that one day He will return and do all this, we should live with sobriety, purpose, joy, and faith every day of our lives, here and now. Let’s live for Jesus today!
Hour 2:
Dr. Brown’s Bottom Line: Don’t worry about date-setting; in fact, when people set dates, smile and ignore it; and don’t listen to those that tell you, “separate yourself from the rest of the body, no one has the truth except my group.” Ignore that, run from that. Find out others of like heart, live out 2 Timothy 2:22: flee youthful lusts and pursue righteous, holy living with others of like faith, and let’s make a difference while we have breath! This much we know, everyone who has set a date until now has been wrong, every generation, up to our generation has died, so let us prepare to live our entire lives if we live to be 100 years old laboring for Jesus while living in readiness of his return.
The Hidden Secrets of the Kabbalah: A Messianic Approach a free online lecture by Dr. Michael Brown
Jewish Roots Online Class, including the prophetic significance of the Jewish calendar,
by Dr. Michael Brown
The Revival Answer Book, including helpful keys to avoid deception,
by Dr. Michael Brown
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Thanks Bill,
I noticed that as well and tuned in here:
http://den-a.plr.liquidcompass.net/player/flash/audio_player.php?id=WNIVAM&uid=117
Other than that, great show and I was really blessed to hear the advice given to Dee. (I believe that was her name, the woman asking for help for her mother)
Oh Dr. Brown I’m so glad you’re addressing this issue! My cousin was just talking to me about this today and she’s very worried even having nightmares. I told her not to listen to him anymore. I will e-mail her this link so she can listen to your thoughts about it. Very timely. 🙂
God bless you
In the church that I no longer attend, we were taught the “world is on a timeline” doctrine as well. It went something like this, a day in heaven equals a thousand earth years. The six days of creation happened a little less than six thousand years ago translating into we are at the end of the sixth heavenly day now. When the seventh heavenly day comes upon us, it is a day of rest and the earth must be at peace and at rest from sin and sinners.
I used the principle of the Urim and the Thummin that is within all of our hearts and ask the Lord if that doctrine was true. I received back the answer “No!” which made me happy because if it was true then many of the bible prophecies would have to happen in a very quick succession, and we, humans, just don’t move that fast!
Hello,i am just an outsider,but i would like to say the following :
I believe no ‘school/wineskin of thought’ can hold the words of Jesus and the apostles without (sincerely or insincerely) misinterpreting a sentence or two – ‘dispensationalism’ (with it’s anyday/imminent return of Jesus and the pre-tribulation rapture)is no exception to this.
I know the show was not directly about Dispensationalism,but,nevertheless,dispensationlaists do go around telling people Jesus could ‘come tonight’,and this imminent-returnism (so to speak) can i believe,lead to shallow insurance-policy conversions,rather than authentic repentance.
Dispensationalism,moreover,is a new ‘kid/wineskin on the block’ – according to David Pawson in his book ‘When Jesus returns’ ( a book that Michael Brown recommends) dispensationalism is less than two hundred years old.This begs the question that if the Bible teaches pre-tribulational rapture,why did no one find it in the Bible for over 1700 years ?!
If dispensationalists put preconceptions aside when reading Revelation,and ask a few simple questions as they do so,what will they find ?
In Rev 6,with the second seal,peace is taken from the [first] earth,and,with the fourth seal,authority has been given to Death and Hades to kill by sword,famine,pestilence and wild beasts on a huge scale. Has that happened yet ?
And then comes the fifth seal.
What is said to those slain because of the word of God and their maintained testimony – are their brethren to be ‘raptured’ or to undergo the same fate?
In chapter 12:17 ,who is Satan going to make war with via the beast during the forty two month period ?
Someone may say ‘why does it matter if i’m pre or post tribulation’.
Well,when a region is due for a severe blizzard,residents need to know that information,in order to prepare for,and persevere through,it ; they need to stock up their larders with bread,milk and so forth,in order to be ready.
The book of Revelation is,in a way,a weather forecast,and Jesus is telling His bonservants to prepare for,and persevere during a global blizzard of 42 months.Dispensations count themselves exempt from the very period to which Jesus wants to prepare them for – thus the larder is not stocked. The closer we get to the 42 month ‘blizzard’,the more vital it becomes for the Body of Christ to put aside end-time misconceptions,the more vital it becomes to stock up that larder ! That’s why it matters.
Take Michael’s advice from a previous radio show – get David’s book.
Mark Phillips,
If I am not mistaken, you always begin your posts with, “Hello,i am just an outsider.” What do you mean by this?
Shalom
I always think that it is strange that someone would give a date for Messiah’s return according to a pagan calendar. The Biblical way of time keeping is different than what man has invented. Messiah fulfilled the spring appointed times (holy days of Passover, Firstfruits, and Pentecost) on the exact day according to the Biblical calendar. Why would we think that He will do any differently with the Fall appointed times (holy days)?
He is coming with the shout of an archangel and at the last trumpet blast. The Biblical feast, called Yom Teruah is, literally, the day of blowing/shouting. It is the only appointed time (holy day) that no man can know the day it will be ahead of time. As for the hour of Messiahs return, it will be a different hour in every time zone, since it will be as fast as a lightning flash. We might want to be watching (awake and paying attention) on the Biblical day that proclaims His return for His bride. We might want to be keeping that feast in anticipation of His return every year.
There is no reason to worry that we will be left behind if we are watching and obeying His word. Part of that obedience is keeping His appointed times (holy days). Let’s watch and be faithful till He comes.
1 Thessalonians 5
1 But of the (appointed) times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you…
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
Luke 21
34 And take heed to yourselves, lest at any time your hearts be overcharged with surfeiting, and drunkenness, and cares of this life, and so that day come upon you unawares.
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.
36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.
Luke 12
35 Let your loins be girded about, and your lights burning;
36 And ye yourselves like unto men that wait for their lord, when he will return from the wedding; that when he cometh and knocketh, they may open unto him immediately.
37 Blessed are those servants, whom the lord when he cometh shall find watching: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them.
Revelation 19
7 Let us rejoice and exult
and give him the glory,
for the marriage of the Lamb has come,
and his Bride has made herself ready;
8 it was granted her to clothe herself
with fine linen, bright and pure”—
for the fine linen is the righteous deeds of the saints.
1 John 3
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
Shalom
And the apostle Paul also wrote “Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am in fear of you, lest I have bestowed on you labor in vain.”
(see Gal 4:10,11)
As I read Matthew 24:35,36, I noticed the word “knoweth” in Matthew 24:36, and see that as in the present at the time it was spoken.
I suppose one could say that context would cause us to believe that this one verse (Matthew 24:36)
is for all time because in the context Jesus talked of how his words will never pass away, and therefore we should view this verse as an everlasting present situation, meaning that no man
knew at the time Jesus spoke this, of the time of the return, and also that it continues today to have the same authority as it did when Jesus said it.
I take it to mean that at the time Jesus spoke those words, no man knew the day and hour when his return would be, not even himself, but the Father only.
I do not take it to say exactly that no one knows Today when his return will be but God, nor do I take it to mean that no one but God knew when his return would be on the day of his resurrection, or on whatever day, I only take it to mean that at the time Jesus said it, no man knew, nor the angels, but God himself.
However, I do Not believe any man ever knew the hour and day of his return, nor do I believe anyone will know tomorrow, or on any day in the future when his return will be. (that is before it happens)
I simply don’t believe that any man will know because I see no proof in the scriptures such that anyone would or could know, even though I can not prove that Jesus said no one Would know.
I used to read Matthew 24:36 as proof that no man will know of that day and hour, but now I see it more as instruction that it’s time was something the Father kept to himself and now I consider that the Father may very well be doing the same thing, and may continue to keep it secret until he sends Jesus to come again.
I suspect Jesus will be the first to know if so be that he still doesn’t know.
If he doesn’t know right now when that day and hour will be, I trust he simply trusts the Father concerning that time and peacefully leaves it in his hands even though he anticipates it with with every type of feeling that is right.
I believe it’s something he looks forward to but waits patiently for.
What great joy he must have had before the world began when God promised to him eternal life to us.
(Titus 1:2, II Tim 1:9)
And for that same joy he endured the cross, making the payment for the purchase.
I think also that there is a difference between a wrong prophet and a false one. A false one knowingly and willfully deceives. I think it may be a true one who went bad. Prophets are people like the rest of us and sometimes they make mistakes. A true one should repent. A true one should change from wrong to right because of Jesus.
Ray,
You wrote:
“And the apostle Paul also wrote “Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am in fear of you, lest I have bestowed on you labor in vain.”
(see Gal 4:10,11)”
So let us not observe pagan days,(Sun worship day…Sunday, Moon worship day…Monday, Thor’s day…Thursday,etc.) or months, (Janus’ Month…January, Mars’ month…March, Maia’s month…May, etc.) times, (Saturnalia…Christmas, Eastarte’s day…Easter, etc.) or years, (Year of the dog, boar, goat, snake etc.) lest the word of YHWH be bestowed upon on us in vain. Let us keep YHWH’s appointed times (His appointments with us) that He before ordained that we should walk in them.
Or are we ignorant of the very appointed “times and seasons” that the Thessalonians knew quite well? Paul continued to keep these appointments of YHWH. He used them as time references when writing to the “Gentile” assemblies. He told them to imitate what He did.
Is this simply interesting, or is it obviously YHWH’s design for us to celebrate His set apart times in advance of and in memory of His dealings with us?
Shalom
Bo, Let’s remember the context of Paul’s letter to the Church at Galatia.
Hello Bo,
i claim to read the Bible believing it to be the Books/Library of Truth,and without any desire to subject it to the misconceptions/wineskins of any denomination/school/camp.
I do not claim to be born-from-above.
When i say i’m an outsider,i mean outside the Body of Christ.
Mark,
Do you believe in Jesus? I believe there are many who believe in him that are not a member of any specific denomination.
Hi Ray,
Jesus is the Son of God,Jesus is God,there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved – period !
In the book of John,Jesus tells us to believe ‘into’ Him,(Greek ‘eis’ – Strong’s Concordance Number 1519 – the english translation just says ‘in’ ),what does this mean ? I think it means it is one thing to say the water looks lovely,and another to dive right in. I simply do not claim to have done so.
Furthermore,i believe many evangelicals in Britain and America have not heard balanced evangelism – instead of bringing responsive outsiders to the yardstick of Jesus (Luke 14:25-35) for being His disciple,they have been put through a one minute ‘sinner’s prayer’ and then lead to believe they are now His ‘christian’.
In Bible mathematics (Acts 11:26) Disciple = Christian = Disciple. Alas,evangelical mathematics doesn’t seem quite the same.
As an outsider it is not my job to sort this out ( ! ),but if you’d like to know more checkout ‘The Normal Christian Birth’ by David Pawsom – an inconvenient,unpalatable,boat-rocking book that discusses the difference between scriptural evangelism,and modern evangelism.
( Michael Brown is somewhat familiar with David Pawson – he has,for instance,recommended ‘When Jesus returns’ in a previous radio show,as you will see if you type ‘David Pawson’ into this websites search facility.)
May you walk with Jesus in white,Ray.
Just to say,I spelt David’s surname wrong on one occasion in that comment there – it should have said Pawson,not Pawsom.
Ray,
I know the context of Galatians. It is mostly about grace, but within the main context are assorted other topics. One of which is for us to not go back to Pagan worship practices. Consider the context of the following:
Galatians 4
8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods.
9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage?
10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years.
11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
So the Galatians used to serve them which are “no gods” back before they knew YHWH or He knew them. This sounds like pagan worship to me. Turning back to the beggarly elements of pagan worship days, is what is being discussed here. Paul called the law righteous, just and good (not begarly) and he continued to keep the scriptural feast days including Sabbath. It is not likely that these Gentiles used to keep the feasts of YHWH and were now being reprimanded for keeping them again by a fellow feast keeper.
What is likely, is that the Galatians had a false view of grace, and thought that keeping their old pagan days was somehow covered by grace. The reality is that grace covers past sin and repented of sin. It does not cover willful sin. It is obvious that all the “New Testament” writers thought of Torah violation as sin. Paul did not want the Galatians to fall for works righteousness or lawlessness. Neither of these is part of the narrow way.
Hebrews 10
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
28 He that despised Moses’ law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
Revelation 14
12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Shalom
Mark Phillips,
I like your definition of faith. Have you dove into the water yet?
Shalom
Mark Phillips,
I also appreciate you not wanting to be led astray by the traditions and commandments of men. It seems that churchianity is quite blind to their error in this…just like Judaism is. Of course, it is unlikely that those outside these systems see their blind spots either. I guess that is why we all need to go to the word of YHWH and adjust our lives according to what we read, instead of being hearers only.
Shalom
Luke 11:28?
Tom,
Amen!…and keep it.
James 1:21-25
1 John 3:2-7
Deuteronomy 8:2-3
Shalom
Hi Bo,
yes,when we (intentionally or unintentionally) make the teaching of any man or woman into the head,and Scripture the tail,we have made ourselves a wineskin.During the First Covenant they made a Pharisaic wineskin and Sadducean one ; during the Second they’ve made Calvinistic and Dispensational ones – among others.
Residents of each camp/wineskin may spot a speck of ‘reading-into’ in the eye of another camp/wineskin,but remain seemingly oblivious to the ‘reading-into’ in the log of their own. Furthermore,just as Pharisees became experts at setting aside the commandment of God in order to keep their tradition (NASB – Mark 7:9),Calvinists for example,have (sincerely or insincerely) become experts at misinterpeting certain passages,in order to keep their Calvinism.
What a costly case of deja vu that is.
Gosh, it is so embarrassing to be a Christian when you see things on the News like this. I turned on the Boston News to watch the weather. Then all of a sudden the News is showing bill boards signs saying “Judgment Day May 21”. Signs on the MBTA (Massachusetts Bay Transportation Authority) saying the the same thing.
This Howard Camping guy has no right to put up these signs and try to ruin the reputations of Christians who are not fruitcakes like he is.
It is not right. Us Christians did not authorized him to do this. Jesus did not authorized him to do this.
Heck, he doesn’t even live in Massachusetts and he is spreading his lies here and across country.
How are folks going to believe Jesus if you see lies like this? Another scheme of the devil.
End of Days??? The Lord knows when.
The world is making fun of the Lord and His people.
Here is quotes from someone’s reaction to May 21, 2011.
“The parade of fruit cakes just keep on coming. How many times are they going to predict the end of the world on a certain day only to have egg on their faces? Hee haw!!!! (what kind of animal makes that sound, children?) Time to GROW UP and stop believing in witches, fairies, gods and make believe. Love of money is not the root of all evil, religion is, because religion will be the cause of the destruction of this planet someday through nuclear war. Now THAT’S something real. Dump your religion and TRY to get along with your neighbor. Treat others as YOU WOULD HAVE THEM TREAT YOU! That is all anyone needs to know regardless of nationality, creed, or sex. How simple! Why so complex?”
I see the second commandment but not the first.
Religion that’s being talked of in the above post
(23) usually only takes part of the Scripture doesn’t it?
That kind does have all kinds of evil in it doesn’t it? I notice it denies other parts of the scripture.
There is so much of it around isn’t there? Often it’s found on opposing sides of a matter.
It does cause the way of the truth to be evil spoken of, doesn’t it? (II Peter 2:2)
What does it mean “to make merchandise of people”?
Is it to use them for gain of a business enterprise…to make too much of one person and too little of another depending on who or what they follow…to organize them for profit… to use them as items on display to the world for profit?
“…parade of fruitcakes…”?
I suppose it’s because they followed a variegated
patchwork of someone’s clothing, something collected and pieced in, some things old among some things new, and so both he that led and those that have followed are on their way into the ditch (Matt 15:14) as the Lord has said.
By this we see the importance of John 8:31,32.
Please share if you heard anything from Harold Camping or his followers reaction to the lie that was told.
I heard many followers sold everything they owned and gave all their profits to this cause of Camping’s “tall tale”. Including selling their homes too. Like in the book of Acts 4&5.
Mercy Lord.