I could have answered because I was in your live stream class, but, I thought that would be cheating.
I also didn’t like the “HIllbilly Bible”. Sorry.
Ok, I made a comment on a post in answer to Ray some days ago. I said that I had heard another interpretation of Gen. 4, when “men began to call upon the name of the Lord”. I found it on the blue letter bible site. It was Chuck Missler. Under the commentary section for Genesis 4, under videos, about 43 minutes and 30 seconds of the way through. According to Missler, the linquistic argument is that it could say, “then, began men to ‘profane’ the name of the Lord.” And he says, “this would make sense, because what follows, of course, are the conditions that would lead to the flood.”
I didn’t make it up. I try to study all that’s available. How am I to know when scholars don’t agree? When I first began my studies, I didn’t know anything. But, you have to begin somewhere. So, if even experts disagree, what’s a layman to do? Keep on studying!
And so, I will.
Lexicon Results Strong’s G4704 – spoudazō “study”
1) to hasten, make haste 2) to exert one’s self, endeavour, give diligence
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 11 AV — endeavour 3, do diligence 2, be diligent 2, give diligence 1, be forward 1, labour 1, study 1
Sheila,
It’s always a good practice to read several different translations of verses that you’re studying (even without software, this can be done through BibleGateway.com). This way, you’ll get a clear idea of what the best rendering is, even without knowing Hebrew or Greek. This also exposes fallacious arguments that have no scholarly backing.
As for 2 Tim 2:15, the old meaning of “study” in English included, “do your best,” but that has not been the case for a long time. Thus, all modern translations render properly with “Do your best” or the like, rather than “study.”
Correction on stats re: teen suicide.
Hey folks, on the broadcast I mentioned stats that indicated that 30,000 teens committed suicide every year in America. It appears the sources I was citing were not correct. That is the total number of suicides for all ages in America. The number for teens is close to 5,000 every year — or about 100 every week. Still terribly tragic, of course.
Thank you. I truly am trying to do my best. I didn’t want anyone to think I was pulling it out of thin air.
Shiela, I missed your post you mention above but will likely to look for it later.
Thank you for mentioning that interpretation. Also I see a note in my Cambridge Bible that says “Or to call themselves by the name of the Lord.”
I don’t even know what that might mean. Does that mean that they named their children according to the name of God? I doubt it.
When we worship God we tend to name him. We tend to ascribe to him his character. We also then give ourselves a name. Our names become written in heaven as the shepherd of our souls knows each sheep by name. Each one of their voices us unique.
No doubt some named God well and gave themselves a good name by it while others fell from where they were and so did their character.
Now I’m wondering if there is something to the note in my Cambridge Bible about naming their children. I suppose the place to start would be in looking at the names of people at that time perhaps starting with Seth or Enos.
Now I’m back to thinking about how a worshipping man might speak the will of God into his children and give them a name by doing so and teaching them the way of God, the righteousness they have learned by him who is the teacher of righeousness.
I just gave God a name didn’t I?
…I misspelled it though, how sad. It should read “teacher of righteousness.”
Ray,
No need to look it up. I don’t know how 70 scholars who translated the Septuagint could have all missed that one verse. I’ll stick with the 70, and read it, “then men began to call upon the name of the Lord.”
Thanks for bearing with me during my season of growing…
I had heard that Martin Luther had gone against the Jewish people in some bad ways, but had never heard quotes from him concerning this.
I was raised in a Lutheran church and had never heard that Martin Luther had some things against the Jews and spoke against them in wrong ways.
I wonder if people in the Lutheran church knew these things to be wrong moraly and therefore found it to be not worth repeating. Maybe it would have done us some good to know those things and be aware that even though there is some good in each of us there can be evil present also.
I never read quotes from Adolf Hitler. I’ve heard quite a bit about him over the years from Television and from some books I read, but it’s quite another thing to read from what a man said himself rather than to read what others said about him.
After reading some books about his death camps, I don’t have a great interest at times to know what he said or wrote, but there are times I wonder how a man could go so wrong as to treat people as he sometimes did.
No doubt he used a people group to further control others. Having a system under his control which abuses anyone, a man affects all that are under his authority in a bad way.
I had read about a commander under Hitler’s control who was in charge of one of his camps where people within it were starved to death and just a few miles down the road was a bakery that always had a supply of bread.
When asked about it, the man said “I didn’t have the right forms.”
I suppose a man could be killed or put into one of his camps if he did something with the wrong forms or did something without the form, or disobeyed any particular order.
Looking at the evils men have done can serve as a reminder to us of what’s in us that is of ourselves, for in us, that is, in ourselves is no good thing.
I could have answered because I was in your live stream class, but, I thought that would be cheating.
I also didn’t like the “HIllbilly Bible”. Sorry.
Ok, I made a comment on a post in answer to Ray some days ago. I said that I had heard another interpretation of Gen. 4, when “men began to call upon the name of the Lord”. I found it on the blue letter bible site. It was Chuck Missler. Under the commentary section for Genesis 4, under videos, about 43 minutes and 30 seconds of the way through. According to Missler, the linquistic argument is that it could say, “then, began men to ‘profane’ the name of the Lord.” And he says, “this would make sense, because what follows, of course, are the conditions that would lead to the flood.”
I didn’t make it up. I try to study all that’s available. How am I to know when scholars don’t agree? When I first began my studies, I didn’t know anything. But, you have to begin somewhere. So, if even experts disagree, what’s a layman to do? Keep on studying!
And so, I will.
Lexicon Results
Strong’s G4704 – spoudazō “study”
1) to hasten, make haste
2) to exert one’s self, endeavour, give diligence
Authorized Version (KJV) Translation Count — Total: 11
AV — endeavour 3, do diligence 2, be diligent 2, give diligence 1, be forward 1, labour 1, study 1
Sheila,
It’s always a good practice to read several different translations of verses that you’re studying (even without software, this can be done through BibleGateway.com). This way, you’ll get a clear idea of what the best rendering is, even without knowing Hebrew or Greek. This also exposes fallacious arguments that have no scholarly backing.
As for 2 Tim 2:15, the old meaning of “study” in English included, “do your best,” but that has not been the case for a long time. Thus, all modern translations render properly with “Do your best” or the like, rather than “study.”
Correction on stats re: teen suicide.
Hey folks, on the broadcast I mentioned stats that indicated that 30,000 teens committed suicide every year in America. It appears the sources I was citing were not correct. That is the total number of suicides for all ages in America. The number for teens is close to 5,000 every year — or about 100 every week. Still terribly tragic, of course.
Thank you. I truly am trying to do my best. I didn’t want anyone to think I was pulling it out of thin air.
Shiela,
I missed your post you mention above but will likely to look for it later.
Thank you for mentioning that interpretation. Also I see a note in my Cambridge Bible that says “Or to call themselves by the name of the Lord.”
I don’t even know what that might mean. Does that mean that they named their children according to the name of God? I doubt it.
When we worship God we tend to name him. We tend to ascribe to him his character. We also then give ourselves a name. Our names become written in heaven as the shepherd of our souls knows each sheep by name. Each one of their voices us unique.
No doubt some named God well and gave themselves a good name by it while others fell from where they were and so did their character.
Now I’m wondering if there is something to the note in my Cambridge Bible about naming their children. I suppose the place to start would be in looking at the names of people at that time perhaps starting with Seth or Enos.
Now I’m back to thinking about how a worshipping man might speak the will of God into his children and give them a name by doing so and teaching them the way of God, the righteousness they have learned by him who is the teacher of righeousness.
I just gave God a name didn’t I?
…I misspelled it though, how sad. It should read
“teacher of righteousness.”
Ray,
No need to look it up. I don’t know how 70 scholars who translated the Septuagint could have all missed that one verse. I’ll stick with the 70, and read it, “then men began to call upon the name of the Lord.”
Thanks for bearing with me during my season of growing…
I had heard that Martin Luther had gone against the Jewish people in some bad ways, but had never heard quotes from him concerning this.
I was raised in a Lutheran church and had never heard that Martin Luther had some things against the Jews and spoke against them in wrong ways.
I wonder if people in the Lutheran church knew these things to be wrong moraly and therefore found it to be not worth repeating. Maybe it would have done us some good to know those things and be aware that even though there is some good in each of us there can be evil present also.
I never read quotes from Adolf Hitler. I’ve heard quite a bit about him over the years from Television and from some books I read, but it’s quite another thing to read from what a man said himself rather than to read what others said about him.
After reading some books about his death camps, I don’t have a great interest at times to know what he said or wrote, but there are times I wonder how a man could go so wrong as to treat people as he sometimes did.
No doubt he used a people group to further control others. Having a system under his control which abuses anyone, a man affects all that are under his authority in a bad way.
I had read about a commander under Hitler’s control who was in charge of one of his camps where people within it were starved to death and just a few miles down the road was a bakery that always had a supply of bread.
When asked about it, the man said “I didn’t have the right forms.”
I suppose a man could be killed or put into one of his camps if he did something with the wrong forms or did something without the form, or disobeyed any particular order.
Looking at the evils men have done can serve as a reminder to us of what’s in us that is of ourselves, for in us, that is, in ourselves is no good thing.