I haven’t heard this yet but I heard on the news just now that the pastor from Florida who threatened to burn Korans is now being called a hate monger.
Can’t say I should go along with all that scat.
I looked up the word “hatemonger” in my dictionary and it says, “… a propagandist who seeks to provoke…”
Is that what a pastor is now, a propagandist?
Behold how great a matter a little fire kindles! (James 3:5)
There are people in this world that do not repent, do not forgive, will not hear “Please forgive me”, but will always pretend to be the victim of some kind of hate crime, and can not be appeased. They seek to manipulate and control by craft. It matters not if they are Christian, Muslim, or whatever. Only the gospel matters.
In this day of instant communication the world is closer than ever. We find ourselves to be as one.
Worldwide awakening must be near. The world will begin to know there is a gospel, there is a God, and that his kingdom is real. They will begin to know the power of the cross and the importance of it by necessity.
And there will be intercessors.
I wonder what would happen if a man announced to the world that conterfeiting money is of the devil and that he intended to burn any counterfeit bills anyone might bring in.
One thing I thought I heard the pastor from Florida say as to why he wanted to publicly announce his willingness to burn Korans is that he said …”before it’s too late.”
Thus I thought that his motive may be more about protecting the constitution by the free exercise thereof than it is about making a prophetic statement to bring about a positive change within the religious community, which may have been secondary in importance in this hour.
I still wonder about that. I wonder how it is that so many things go contrary to the good sense of the constitution and then such things seem to be accepted because they happened, as if people seem to say, “Well, I guess it’s OK now because it happened.”
I wonder if the pastor could see the threat of us loosing our right to do such a thing as burn certain religious materials which we consider harmful as a statement of saying that this too is exercising our freedom of speech, taking action because of what we believe to be the truth, that we do indeed have the liberty to protest against what we believe to be of evil origins or intent, that we do not have to hide in a closet or be lukewarm witnesses for Christ.
I suppose he could invite discussion about the Koran and how it is as a counterfeit bill of goods for reasons evident to those who know of the cleansing power of the blood of Christ, Jesus, the Son of the living God.
Would that be an acceptable way of saying the Koran isn’t worth anything next to the Bible?
But would it be as effective to a generation that is dull of hearing if indeed it be so today?
Sometimes I wonder if we indeed do need a wake up and the manner in which the pastor chose to do so is at this time in our history, the more effective method of speech.
I think we should let the pastor speak and try to hear what is being said.
I would like more coverage by the news media with more questions for the pastor and invite him to tell all that is upon his heart in this matter.
Could it have been an act motivated more by zeal than discretion, an act of the passions of something within, the zeal of his own house, or that of another’s? I just don’t know, but it seems to be something that fits our times well, something that we need to go through, something according to God’s plan.
What I am hearing from those with the Lord’s name on their lips, is that they are using their liberty, both in America and that given to us by Jesus, as a cloak of maliciousness.
I see many more radical Christians, with our Father’s name on their lips, stirring up rebellion from God!
We have elevated our constitution to the level of the Word of God, and we have begun to worship our founding fathers as “gods”!
The same rights this pastor is exercising, you want to take away from all others who don’t hold your personal view on things. You are all hypocrites. Your mouths are open sepulcers.
Isaiah 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.
Matthew 6:2 Therefore, when you do your alms, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do, in the churches, and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Verily, I say to you, they have their reward.
Matthew 15:6 In doing this you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 15:7 You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, This people draw near to me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 15:11 Not that which goes into the mouth defiles a man; but that which comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.
Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.
This was all said in love for my brothers and sisters in Christ. Do not put the laws of men before the commandments of God.
MLB 1 Peter 3:8 Finally, let all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, loving as brothers, compassionate, humbleminded,returning no evil for evil or cursing for cursing. Quite to the contrary you will bless in return, because you are called for this, so as to inherit a blessing. For “he who wants to enjoy life and see happy days must keep his tongue from speaking evil and his lips from uttering deceit. He must turn away from wrong and do right; he must search for peace and keep after it. For the Lord’s eyes are on the righteous and His ears are attentive to their prayer, but the Lord’s face is set against those who practice evil.” And who will hurt you if you become eager for the right? But even if you suffer on account of righteousness, you will be blessed. Be neither terrified nor troubled by their threat, but revere Christ in your hearts as Lord and be always ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you for a reason of the hope that is within you; but do it with quiet humility and reverently. Maintain a clear conscience so that, in case you are slandered, those who falsely accuse your good Christian conduct may be ashamed; for it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing right than for doing wrong. For Christ also once died for sins on your behalf, the just on behalf of the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, being put to death physically but made alive in the Spirit,
MLB Hebrews 12:14 Seek eagerly for peace with everyone and for holiness without which no one shall see the Lord.
Anon, Are You Anon Bushavi? –Jabez
Fred Phelps, of Westboro Baptist Church, will be burning again the Koran if Dr. Terry Jones, backs down. Now thats a man with guts. Like him or not. Here is the story below:
In Islam there is a doctrine called ‘Takeyya’ the doctrine is found in both the Koran, and the Hadith where all muslims are encouraged to lie to non-muslims for the furtherance of Islam. One can research ‘Takeyya’ on the web, at Yahoo, Google, Youtube, etc. So no muslim can be trusted as their religion encourages them to lie to non-muslims for the furtherance of Islam. See for example the article to the link below.
Because of ‘Takeyya’ even when a muslim present him or sheself as friends, moderates or liberals they still can’t trusted. As a matter-of-fact they are the most dangerous of all muslims. Its one thing when a snake is in the open (like Osama Bin Laden) for all to see it for what it is. That way you will know what it is, and how to deal with it. Its another thing when it is very well hidden or concealed like those muslims who are presenting themselves as friends, moderates or liberals. No muslim can be trusted because of their teaching or doctrine called ‘Takeyya’.
Burning Korans just seems such a very hateful thing to do. Personally, I do hate the Koran and wish I could burn them all if it would mean an end to the teachings of Islam. Obviously, this is not possible, but more importantly, such forcible action would do nothing to convince Muslims worldwide of the truth of the Gospel, nor would it make the faith of Jesus Christ any more appealing to them. Consider the persecution of European and Russian Jews throughout the centuries (sadly, often “in the name of Christ”). Has this made them any more open to the Gospel message? Quite the contrary. I don’t see how this pastor is doing anything productive to fulfill the Great Commission, and worse, he is tarnishing the name of Christians everywhere. There are far better ways to take a stand for Jesus, I am sure.
When a person(s) burns a Koran(s) they should and aught to send the message along with such burnings that all who die following this book will go to the fires of Hell. And the physical burning is only a mere symbol of the far worst fires in Hell awaiting those who die following the Koran. Now thats a very powerful message indeed to send. We all need to do the right and leave the results in God’s hand, and stop worrying about the results. Fred Phelps, and Westboro Baptist Church did burn the Koran again, and neither the world nor America came to an end, the troops are not now dying in mass, and even if that was the case we all still need to do the right and leave the results in God’s hand and stop worrying about the results. The saints in all of the bible destroyed the pagans’ and heathens’ stuffs (see for eg. Deut. 12).
I was listening to the radio the other day and the men on the radio were asking a question “Why did this pastor get so much attention in the worldwide media? It should have been kept to the local paper”. It seems to me to be a political event being promoted to bring further destabilization to the Middle East. This will not bring peace.
Here is a shameless plug for anyone to listen to the debate between Dr. Brown and Dr. Ehrman. For those not familiar with Dr. Ehrman, he was once a believer, who lost his faith in graduate school. The debate showed a surprising contrast in the hope which we have as believers and someone without hope.
I most highly recommend to everyone look at the documentary on youtube.com called “Radical Islam Documentary”,
Funny how I hear on the news about how one burns their book (Koran) and some begin to burn buildings and such around the world.
I didn’t hear of anyone burning a Bible.
If I ever hear of anyone burning a Bible, I think I should pray that God show them something of his fire, for escape from eternal damnation, and the reward of a far better life because of Jesus.
I haven’t heard this yet but I heard on the news just now that the pastor from Florida who threatened to burn Korans is now being called a hate monger.
Can’t say I should go along with all that scat.
I looked up the word “hatemonger” in my dictionary and it says, “… a propagandist who seeks to provoke…”
Is that what a pastor is now, a propagandist?
Behold how great a matter a little fire kindles!
(James 3:5)
There are people in this world that do not repent, do not forgive, will not hear “Please forgive me”, but will always pretend to be the victim of some kind of hate crime, and can not be appeased. They seek to manipulate and control by craft. It matters not if they are Christian, Muslim, or whatever. Only the gospel matters.
In this day of instant communication the world is closer than ever. We find ourselves to be as one.
Worldwide awakening must be near. The world will begin to know there is a gospel, there is a God, and that his kingdom is real. They will begin to know the power of the cross and the importance of it by necessity.
And there will be intercessors.
I wonder what would happen if a man announced to the world that conterfeiting money is of the devil and that he intended to burn any counterfeit bills anyone might bring in.
One thing I thought I heard the pastor from Florida say as to why he wanted to publicly announce his willingness to burn Korans is that he said …”before it’s too late.”
Thus I thought that his motive may be more about protecting the constitution by the free exercise thereof than it is about making a prophetic statement to bring about a positive change within the religious community, which may have been secondary in importance in this hour.
I still wonder about that. I wonder how it is that so many things go contrary to the good sense of the constitution and then such things seem to be accepted because they happened, as if people seem to say, “Well, I guess it’s OK now because it happened.”
I wonder if the pastor could see the threat of us loosing our right to do such a thing as burn certain religious materials which we consider harmful as a statement of saying that this too is exercising our freedom of speech, taking action because of what we believe to be the truth, that we do indeed have the liberty to protest against what we believe to be of evil origins or intent, that we do not have to hide in a closet or be lukewarm witnesses for Christ.
I suppose he could invite discussion about the Koran and how it is as a counterfeit bill of goods for reasons evident to those who know of the cleansing power of the blood of Christ, Jesus, the Son of the living God.
Would that be an acceptable way of saying the Koran isn’t worth anything next to the Bible?
But would it be as effective to a generation that is dull of hearing if indeed it be so today?
Sometimes I wonder if we indeed do need a wake up and the manner in which the pastor chose to do so is at this time in our history, the more effective method of speech.
I think we should let the pastor speak and try to hear what is being said.
I would like more coverage by the news media with more questions for the pastor and invite him to tell all that is upon his heart in this matter.
Could it have been an act motivated more by zeal than discretion, an act of the passions of something within, the zeal of his own house, or that of another’s? I just don’t know, but it seems to be something that fits our times well, something that we need to go through, something according to God’s plan.
Now we have a better reason to remember September 11, The Birth of Jesus Christ. – http://www.bytheword.com/birth
What I am hearing from those with the Lord’s name on their lips, is that they are using their liberty, both in America and that given to us by Jesus, as a cloak of maliciousness.
I see many more radical Christians, with our Father’s name on their lips, stirring up rebellion from God!
We have elevated our constitution to the level of the Word of God, and we have begun to worship our founding fathers as “gods”!
The same rights this pastor is exercising, you want to take away from all others who don’t hold your personal view on things. You are all hypocrites. Your mouths are open sepulcers.
Isaiah 33:22 For the LORD is our judge, the LORD is our lawgiver, the LORD is our king; he will save us.
Matthew 6:2 Therefore, when you do your alms, do not sound a trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do, in the churches, and in the streets, that they may have glory from men. Verily, I say to you, they have their reward.
Matthew 15:6 In doing this you have made the commandment of God of no effect by your tradition. 15:7 You hypocrites, well did Isaiah prophesy of you, saying, This people draw near to me with their mouth, and honor me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. 15:11 Not that which goes into the mouth defiles a man; but that which comes out of the mouth, this defiles a man.
Proverbs 27:5 Open rebuke is better than secret love.
This was all said in love for my brothers and sisters in Christ. Do not put the laws of men before the commandments of God.
MLB 1 Peter 3:8 Finally, let all of you be harmonious, sympathetic, loving as brothers, compassionate, humbleminded,returning no evil for evil or cursing for cursing. Quite to the contrary you will bless in return, because you are called for this, so as to inherit a blessing.
For “he who wants to enjoy life and see happy days must keep his tongue from speaking evil and his lips from uttering deceit. He must turn away from wrong and do right; he must search for peace and keep after it. For the Lord’s eyes are on the righteous and His ears are attentive to their prayer, but the Lord’s face is set against those who practice evil.” And who will hurt you if you become eager for the right? But even if you suffer on account of righteousness, you will be blessed. Be neither terrified nor troubled by their threat, but revere Christ in your hearts as Lord and be always ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you for a reason of the hope that is within you; but do it with quiet humility and reverently. Maintain a clear conscience so that, in case you are slandered, those who falsely accuse your good Christian conduct may be ashamed; for it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing right than for doing wrong. For Christ also once died for sins on your behalf, the just on behalf of the unjust, so that He might bring us to God, being put to death physically but made alive in the Spirit,
MLB Hebrews 12:14 Seek eagerly for peace with everyone and for holiness without which no one shall see the Lord.
Anon, Are You Anon Bushavi? –Jabez
Fred Phelps, of Westboro Baptist Church, will be burning again the Koran if Dr. Terry Jones, backs down. Now thats a man with guts. Like him or not.
Here is the story below:
http://www.ocala.com/article/20100909/ARTICLES/100909743/1412?Title=Westboro-Baptish-Church-to-burn-Qurans-if-Dove-doesn-t
In Islam there is a doctrine called ‘Takeyya’ the doctrine is found in both the Koran, and the Hadith where all muslims are encouraged to lie to non-muslims for the furtherance of Islam. One can research ‘Takeyya’ on the web, at Yahoo, Google, Youtube, etc. So no muslim can be trusted as their religion encourages them to lie to non-muslims for the furtherance of Islam. See for example the article to the link below.
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/lying.shtml
Fred Phelps, and Westboro Baptist Church did brun the Koran again, 11th September 2010, as they promised to do. See the links below to view the event:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45-5mRnSx30
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C6YOJh4tGc
Because of ‘Takeyya’ even when a muslim present him or sheself as friends, moderates or liberals they still can’t trusted. As a matter-of-fact they are the most dangerous of all muslims. Its one thing when a snake is in the open (like Osama Bin Laden) for all to see it for what it is. That way you will know what it is, and how to deal with it. Its another thing when it is very well hidden or concealed like those muslims who are presenting themselves as friends, moderates or liberals. No muslim can be trusted because of their teaching or doctrine called ‘Takeyya’.
Burning Korans just seems such a very hateful thing to do. Personally, I do hate the Koran and wish I could burn them all if it would mean an end to the teachings of Islam. Obviously, this is not possible, but more importantly, such forcible action would do nothing to convince Muslims worldwide of the truth of the Gospel, nor would it make the faith of Jesus Christ any more appealing to them. Consider the persecution of European and Russian Jews throughout the centuries (sadly, often “in the name of Christ”). Has this made them any more open to the Gospel message? Quite the contrary. I don’t see how this pastor is doing anything productive to fulfill the Great Commission, and worse, he is tarnishing the name of Christians everywhere. There are far better ways to take a stand for Jesus, I am sure.
When a person(s) burns a Koran(s) they should and aught to send the message along with such burnings that all who die following this book will go to the fires of Hell. And the physical burning is only a mere symbol of the far worst fires in Hell awaiting those who die following the Koran. Now thats a very powerful message indeed to send. We all need to do the right and leave the results in God’s hand, and stop worrying about the results.
Fred Phelps, and Westboro Baptist Church did burn the Koran again, and neither the world nor America came to an end, the troops are not now dying in mass, and even if that was the case we all still need to do the right and leave the results in God’s hand and stop worrying about the results.
The saints in all of the bible destroyed the pagans’ and heathens’ stuffs (see for eg. Deut. 12).
I was listening to the radio the other day and the men on the radio were asking a question “Why did this pastor get so much attention in the worldwide media? It should have been kept to the local paper”. It seems to me to be a political event being promoted to bring further destabilization to the Middle East. This will not bring peace.
Here is a shameless plug for anyone to listen to the debate between Dr. Brown and Dr. Ehrman. For those not familiar with Dr. Ehrman, he was once a believer, who lost his faith in graduate school. The debate showed a surprising contrast in the hope which we have as believers and someone without hope.
I most highly recommend to everyone look at the documentary on youtube.com called “Radical Islam Documentary”,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AediQLpoGGM&feature=related
Funny how I hear on the news about how one burns their book (Koran) and some begin to burn buildings and such around the world.
I didn’t hear of anyone burning a Bible.
If I ever hear of anyone burning a Bible, I think I should pray that God show them something of his fire, for escape from eternal damnation, and the reward of a far better life because of Jesus.