Israel’s Actions Against the Flotilla Activists: Justified or Unjustified?


Critique of Biased Media Coverage (with video)

Video of Israeli Commander Briefing Troops Before Intercepting the Flotilla

Video of Israel Offering to Legally Deliver the Goods on Board, Refused by the Flotilla

Videos of the Attacks on the Israeli Soldiers

Israel’s Humanitarian Aid to Gaza

Map of Israel Surrounded by Muslim Countries

58 Comments
  1. Dr. Brown;

    You ask the cause of ongoing hatred against Israel?

    The Muslim world has become expert at victimizing itself against the percieved “injustices” of the west. I find it laughable that one of the smallest nations of the world, consisting of the most persecuted population of refugees that history has ever known (Israel), has somehow managed to highjack the agenda of the US and Europe, and plot against the poor muslim population of over a billion followers worldwide. The Political Islamic movement has positioned itself squarely into an influential leadership role in the UN, where it can play on the western left’s heartstrings and control the political message. The Media follows along happily.

    As soon as I watched the video (of the Israeli ship boarding parties)on the internet, it was obvious that the Israeli soldiers were began beaten to a pulp! Thank goodness they fought back.

    The left, lead by Obama, is playing with fire in allowing the muslims free reign to propagandize against Israel. Personally, I believe the Communists threat of the Cold War was chicken feed compared to the threat we’re facing from the Islamic juggernaut. The west has no idea what it’s facing. Please America, read, read, read.

    s.

  2. If someone didn’t see the proproganda for the hamas organization coming then they must be in a cave somewhere. I’m sure the IDF didn’t use force until their own lives were at stake. I teach self-defense tactics for the U.S. Military and abroad, and I can tell you the IDF uses extreme caution and restraint as oppose to say fatah or hamas…… Again let’s pray that the Lord Jesus will open the hearts and minds of the arabs living in gaza and the west bank. I hope the PM of Israel doesn’t back down on this issue in regards to the use of force needed was due in part to defend one self or others. Pray for Israel and for the Lord to show his glory and compassion to the palestinians.

  3. Israel was obviously justified in thier actions.The world is turning more and more against Israel.satan is at work here.Can Isreal stand alone? Would God allow Israel to be destroyed?Are the events that is happening there,things that have to come about?

  4. Muslims are trapped into a belief system which leaves them slaves. How they need the freedom that comes with a heart open to Jesus!

  5. The degree to which “tiny” Israel covers-it’s-bases, prior to undertaking a reasonable act of self-preservation, that is in accord with commonly understood laws of war, is unprecedented – and yet, seemingly, it wasn’t nearly enough to satisfy Islamic authorities and their strange, liberal bed-fellows.

  6. Blockade away, Israel. Continue to use active defense strategies against those who hate you and those who now openly support and supply those who so hate. We notice that shifts toward intolerance are happening in what were once tolerant Islamic and European nations; new alliances of contempt are occurring very rapidly. Israel must continue its vigilance and raise a guard over threats now supplied by those with whom it has few or no ties (as well as over those with whom it had past relationship).

    Shifting regional attitudes continue among those once accepting of the roles of the western nations upholding standards of civilization. Will Psalm 83 or Zech 12 come into the picture to next present what’s really happening?

  7. Maritime law dictates that if you are in a civilian vessel and you are boarded by a clearly marked military vessel, even in international waters, you allow them to board and search. As soon as the Israeli’s got aboard a number of the ship’s passengers or crew started assaulting them. Turkey is going to send warships with the next flotilla. With the tensions high between Israel/Iran/Turkey we could be on the brink of a major conflict. Pray for us all in that situation.
    Jews and Arabs/Muslims have co-existed before. Maimonides was the Physician to the Caliphate. The problem is the military industrial complex that holds undue influence on the world’s governments. If you left the debate to the normal Jews and Arabs/Muslims I believe this situation would be solved post haste. The Palestinian and Israeli leadership’s coalescence to war is the problem.

  8. Europe has always been anti-Semitic. Quick to condemn Israel and create either fabricated or exaggerated stories, but slow even to comment the most evil, the most brutal, the most barbaric acts committed by senseless militants. Christians, let’s pray for Israel. Let’s unite! Let’s not allow another holocaust to happen. Europe and the rest of the world has always been thirsty for the blood of the Jewish people, let us not allow them to do it again!

  9. One of the men from the Palastine propaganda mission was from my home city in Glasgow Scotland, and upon further investigation these people have a centre in glasgow for “justice for Palastine”.

    This is unbelievable, Shalu Shalom Yerushalayim !!!

  10. The government in Iceland, in its arrogance is threatening to break diplomatic relations with Israel and it saddened me.

    It’s time to get down on our knees and really pray for Israel. “Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven” and pray for the peace of Jerusalem.

    Omar

  11. Why world hatred against Israel?

    I’m reminded of a note John Bunyan made in his book The Pilgrim’s Progress which according to my memory was this: The comforts of a Pilgrim are anything but few.

  12. What is even more riveting is the statement that the Turkish government will now facilitate more so-called peace activist ships coming into the Gaza area, and accompany this action with Turkish war ships. I mention this as another indicator leading toward Psalm 83….until most recently, a seemingly far off prophetic event (recall that NATO and US forces used to stage from Turkey, and Israel has done joint military training maneuvers with Turkish forces in the past, recently cancelled by Turkey over this blockade interaction).
    As for a “two state solution”, both have claims on Jerusalem as Capitol, and a very different regard of Mt. Moriah’s purpose (Israel’s being tied to a prophetic promise given to King David and Moses). An Israeli victory over the events of Psalm 83 can lead to a season of its people dwelling “without walls….peaceably in the Land”, perhaps even constructing a post modern Temple, a condition not now in place regarding walls which now wall in and out certain promises given in the Prophets of Old on the conditions there for the Return of the true Messiah.
    The blockade of Gaza is currently so upheld by Israel and Egypt’s governments. The essential security issues are obvious, as they were and are of the US blockade of Cuba held for decades (stemming from when it had Soviet Union alliances, and exported Communist style revolution to Latin America, nearby Island nations, and South America. Gaza’s current party of government is on the US Terrorist organizations list, and exports its ideals of revolution into Israel, Judaea, Europe, and Samaria—or should I say assumes a reactionary assertion of Jihad. The Islamic religious books promise the Land to the descendants of Ishmael and Esau, the Bible to the descendants of Isaac and Jacob, thus the basis of an ongoing conflict). The Islamic cadre at the UN has finally overwhelmingly positioned itself to do what it just did, i.e. come up with instant world body condemnation statements—carried by the UN President—of any of Israel’s actions of self defense.
    What is an arising consideration for believers now is how the antagonists of Israel are the economic resource survival traders of commodity futures, like oil, wheat, natural gas, etc.–spoken of in the Revelation of John as being in the balance of world contention and controversy, along with Satanic opposition to what is symbolically depicted as representing Israel in that Prophetic vision. Just when the US economy may begin to spark a bit, other world forces can check a possible recovery here and elsewhere. The present international codependencies—uncertain of where we leave off and they start as to shared life resources (or vice-versa)—present a world of nations soon to be “in turmoil” over Jerusalem.

  13. The real problem is the Bilderberg group, the Club of Rome, the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission. Globalists are currently working toward a one world govt and economic system. Herman VanRompuy, president of the EU, said 2009 was the first year of global governance, Gordon Brown was pushing for a global constitution for economics. Gorbachev and Maurice Strong have written an Earth Charter. Amercians vs. Muslims, Israeli’s vs. Palestinians, Sunni vs. Shia, gay marriage vs. no gay marriage is a distraction from the globalists agenda. Sunnis and Shia have been slaughtering each other for almost a millenia but Israel is an evil villain for killing 9 in self defense this week? Israel can’t manage to kill as many muslims as the sunni/shia conflicts have.
    Globalists use “problem, reaction, solution” to gain greater control over nations. All of the govt’s are involved, including our own. The provocation in Korea is leveredging Japan to keep american troops in Okinawa. The provocation upon Israel through Turkey will ensure that US troops remain in the middle east. Its about perpetual war leading to chaos and until we come to terms with that fundamental truth we will continue to wring our hands and ask God for answers. God has left the answers in plain view for anyone with the foresight to seek them out. We’re on the cusp of a one world dictatorship but we can’t get past our tribalism to see it. The worlds leading politicians and bureaucrats are spewing one world govt rhetoric but no one is listening. A war in the middle east directed at Israel will be the flashpoint that brings this about. The Israeli/Palestinian issue is polarizing but we have to take half a step back to realize the greater problem instead of being distracted. The globalists are baiting Israel in various ways to bring about a greater conflict so that they can come in with their own solution that subverts Israeli and causes the world to turn on the Jewish state.

  14. (I like to weigh in now with my two cents amongst all the comments of all you intelligent people.)

    As I see it, our attention has been hijacked by the media for the unfolding of this drama was revealed from the beginning. Israel is a sovereign nation and acted accordingly. That was an unfortunate, but not a heartbreaking situation. Defy any sovereign government and the results will always be the same.

    Proverbs 1:18 And they lay wait for their own blood; they lurk privily for their own lives.

    Heartbreaking is what occurred on May 21 in Pakistan when a US drone attacked a convoy of vehicles in which many innocent lives were lost. Heartbreaking is what occurred on March 26 in which forty-six lives were lost in the sinking of the South Korea warship, and other such non-provocative destruction of civilians.

    Didn’t the Leader of Palestine just recently agree to indirect talks with Israel?

    It appears that the powers of the air (Ephesians 2:2/The Beast/Revelation 13:1/the organization of satanic angels) were displeased with that compromise. I can almost image the ghostly echoes of their clandestine assemblies and plottings to stir up controversy and to incite indignation against the Israelites through other means.

    To see Turkey place that much emphasize over that event is extremely petty to behold.

    From a spiritual point of view, we are on the brink of witnessing Bible prophecies come into their fulfillment! The Israelites are to be a crucial ingredient of God executing judgment in the world.(Psalms 67:4) They are to be that stick and a royal diadem in the hand of the Lord. (Ezekiel 37:19, Isaiah 40:10, 62:3)

    As surreal as it may be, judgment has been pronounced against our country, and what we need desperately at this time is Divine mercy. Apart from the Biblical flood, has there ever been a poisoning and destruction of an oceanic environment on such a scale that is slowly happening in the Gulf of Mexico?

    I see a correlation between our President, Israel, the Arab nations and the oil leak in the Gulf of Mexico. As Chief Officer, every thought, actions and inclinations of our President dictates the direction of our country, and he has unwittingly placed himself as a strong unofficial moral directive of this world due to his oratory willingness, skills and abilities.

    A cry of alarm has been sounded in the hearts of the Jewish people over the inclinations that they have detected in the heart of our President in regards to the voicings of the middle eastern nations. I can detect a mayor spiritual battle swirling around the heart and mind of our President Obama as well.

    Those Arab nations only tolerated the US in the war against Iraqi because we were the lesser of two evils to them.

    (But a snake is a snake. A snake will never truly be your friend, and one must always position themselves behind the head of a snake that is loose.)

    Deep spiritual thought is required here. Should one side with the seen material realm of limitations or place faith in the unseen, the Chosen, to divert the unimaginable from happening?

  15. Blaine, Interesting post, but you make it sound like the globalists have it all under a dignified of an alike cadre considered scrutiny for an intended, presupposed, and globalist-controllers’ thought out resource and humanity regulation purpose. All the while while the items of conflict which you play off against their “agenda” clearly say such is not the case, and also compose contrary statements to that view first explored, as is upheld (reasoning is unclear).

    “Its about perpetual war leading to chaos….” What’s about perpetual war leading to chaos…???” What is IT? The blockade action by Israel, my four points, what???? The human condition of imperfection, ongoing lack of unity, or illusions or some dark intentions of some for world government?…What are you trying to state? How does what you stated edify toward a Biblical perspective believers might share or come to understand here on this blog????

    I know no one here among the faithful “wringing our hands,” so, it is unclear who the “we” of your statement includes. FYI there are different interpretations of the notion of “one world dictatorship,” (as the antiChrist of the future) in light of scripture. One such future understanding does not play out as such a tyranny for the whole wide world, but for the region which affects Israel. And this particular blog is on an Israeli Naval blockade response that was difficult and dangerous to the IDF forces conducting that response, and the significance or lack thereof among the Nations.

    Daniel’s Age of the Gentiles, the Age Jesus spoke about from the Mt. of Olives before his Passion, described as sometime ending: after notably difficult events: is marked by what Jesus stated on the Mt. of Olives, about Israel, restoration of the Davidic Kingdom and Jerusalem, as including some information Daniel recorded from messengers from God which Jesus’ Mt. of Olives audience had some studied comprehension of.

    This outlook does show contention and upheaval, natural disasters, signs in the heavens, wars and rumors of them, and eventually nations gathered against Jerusalem. t shows Jerusalem trodden down by Gentiles until their Age is completed (according to Daniel). It does not state the extent of an AntiChrist to “world dictator”, before or after, as such. One has to stretch scriptures to conclude a “one world government, or dictator”, other than as to some descriptors of the world kingdoms Daniel’s early vision reveals.

    “A war in the middle east directed at Israel will be the flashpoint that brings this about,” perhaps, but we have at the least three such wars ahead (Psalm 83, Zech. 12, Zech. 14, and, of course, any may be coincidentally include Gog and Magog, Meggido’s masses advancing toward Jerusalem, etc.).

    Which is next is yet unclear, involves Jerusalem, Israel, and may or may not lead to a whole world dictatorship after its immediate scenarios. It could actually lead to a time of Israel dwelling without its current walls, in peace, until yet another war’s foretold/untold purpose unfolds.

    Right now it seems what you wrote jumbles prophetic intention with globalism as being somehow more in the mix than present day militant Islamists blockade protest boats which the Islamic area of nations surrounding Israel are all regarding in some way or other. The later part of the Revelation seems to grant an order to such events, not an order to world wide government, other than that of the returning Messiah.

    Even if I buy into your globalist intended agenda, as somehow overarching all other events, you imply that such cunning is considerably on course, truly being the “greater problem.” Greater problem in what sense? If what you write has to do with the fulfillment of prophecy–and it is unclear that you offer any premise or theory of God as in control for the intentions of redemption thereby–it remains uncertain what your conclusion or hypothesis actually states. Something noted as also in play to the blockade events does not define that something as indeed overarching–where God has it under control.

    As far as projections of the future, and actors on Daniel’s stage of action in Israel, even the position you hint at remains undefined or undescribed as to what it is you are trying to say. All events described by Jesus on the Mt. of Olives about Jerusalem are recorded in part in past history; what remains relevant to believers is how events lead to the divine plans of God in Christ, involving Romans 11, Acts 3:21, and the City of God coming down from heaven for God’s people after the declaration of Christ’s–not antiChrist’s prophetic rule and fulfillment of all righteousness through the stage of the Middle East. The future in Christ is not the future played by “the globalists,” but the future about the Redemptive Plans of the Messiah’s rule.

  16. My first paragraph, most immediately above, was meant to show how complex and unclear what Blaine states is: where much is implied but little is defined as to its subject matter. Then Pamela extends an alike conspiracy to the unseen spiritual forces involved by her analysis. Read from the second paragraph forward, most immediately above, my concerns raised become clearly related to the topic considered on this blog. Earlier I raised four matters related to this topic.

    Defining in future linear history terms what is believed to be essential of the Revelation of John through conspiracy interpretations seems to primarily apply as stated so to its final chapters regarding what is approaching us regarding wars, famines, natural disasters, and Kingdom of God rule promises coming to present Israel and into the world. All else of the matter at hand as to futures being reflected in world or church conditions described there–found at least partially throughout Israel’s and the Nation’s interactive histories–comes to a conclusion with the finish of John’s vision. John’s Revelation of Jesus can be interpreted many ways, some of those granting testimony to other interpretive ways, and certainly with the references and symbols of the Prophets of Old interwoven therein and thereby. It cannot be reduced to a single problem, a conspiracy theory, or dispensations of Church ages replacing the Nations’ Age Jesus stated would end with his Return.

    What is significant in the present topic is the shift of the Nations to further isolation of Israel to make its own well-considered moral responses to the conditions of existence it faces. That evil is declared good and good evil in present world views opposing Israel should be noted as each scenario happens in and around Israel. Redemption is the thread of meaning found in scripture–Old and New Covenants–and God’s own plans.

  17. With all their brains and all their genius and all their american military firepower plus the billions they pour into defence couldn’t they think of a better way to disarm some madmen bearing poles and small arms without killing nine of them? This it the best they could do?!! This is to their shame!

  18. I think that this shows another act of stubborness from those who wouldn’t peacefully agree to follow the orders that were given by the Israel nation. Thank God that no other person died in this incident which could have been prevented by cooperation from the Flotilla Activists. By the way, the Israel military looked sharp and very orderly. Thank God for His mercy that sustains us in such a lost and dying world.

  19. Jabez,
    I clearly defined “they” as Club Bilderberg, Council on Foreign Relations, Club of Rome, Trilateral Commission.
    “We” are Christians.
    “They” set the price of oil, American foreign policy and intervention. The minutes of the 2008 Bilderberg meeting were leaked showing that they wanted to drive the price of oil up and then drive it down, the price of oil went up well over $100 a barrel and was driven down to $30 a barrel.
    This was done to leveredge and weaken China, Russia and the Gulf States. When the price went up China took a hit, when it was driven down Russia and the Gulf states took a hit with Dubai being a prime example.
    The model state for the globalists is China. David Rockefeller said as much when he praised chairman Mao’s experiment in “A China Traveler” op-ed he wrote for the NY Times in the 70’s, he even lamented Mao’s death. David Rockefeller is this hemisphere’s oligarch and his legates are Dr.’s Brzinsky and Kissinger. When the left is in so is Dr. Brzisky. When the right is in so is Dr. Kissinger. They operate with in the authority of Rockefeller. If you want to know the direction of the US, listen to these two men when Rockefeller isnt speaking. Our presidents are tools of wall street and the military industrial complex and they take direction from Rockefeller’s representatives. General Jones, head NSA, said that he takes daily orders from Dr. Kissinger in a CFR publication covering a security conference in Germany honoring Dr. Kissinger. If you havent noticed President Obama is carrying the Bush agenda forward and expanding it. Domestic affairs dont concern the globalist as long as it does not affect foreign policy. The foreign policy for each party is identical now.
    There is a war going on for the soul of greater humanity right now. I can point to the Israeli Supreme Court Complex as proof that some of the leadership has been co-opted by the Egyptian mystery school and the architecture Washington D.C. to show that america has too. Things are not as cut and dried as we would imagine them. It may seem like there is a Jewish/Muslim impasse but the truth is that the globalists are using that polarizing conflict to divide nations and to demonize israel.
    Christians think that they will be airlifted out of here with the rapture when the troubles come. I’m one of many people sounding the alarm so that good people dont drop their packs before their work is done.
    Herman VonRompuy, head of the EU, stated that 2009 was the first year of global governance with the establishment of the G20. Gorbachev and Maurice Strong have written an earth charter. Al Gore has called for cathedrals to be erected in honor of “gaya”. Gordon Brown has called for a global constitution for economics and now it looks like he will be taking a high post at the IMF. Sarkozy of France has been spouting global governance rhetoric along with Al Gore.
    As far as scarcity goes, bees are disappearing in america. When the bees are gone our food supply will be gone. Some say its signals from cell phones, others say GMO food, some say both.
    As a fellow flawed Christian, if we take prophecy out of the equation wouldnt these be things you would have an interest in knowing if it was all true? If we put prophecy back into the equation there has to be a pretext for the nations to turn on Israel. A global financial meltdown could cause desperate people to fall into the trap of blaming Israel for their financial problems due to the unfounded “every Jew is a banker” complex. If a greater conflict in the middle east hits home with an extensive loss of life, could these same people blame Israel? Its not hard to extrapolate, and an antichrist govt doesnt form overnight. Its been over 200 years in the making.
    As far as your comment about God having a hand in whats going on? He said that people would believe the lie because they hated the truth. Are we supposed to lock ourselves in a closet because we have the notion that God will snatch us away from trouble? Or should we have the notion that we have to re-enter the public arena to be rightious ambassadors for God to expose the lies and dark dealings of secrative groups?
    I havent been vague, I’ve given you specific quotations from high placed politicians and bureaucrats. Whether you want to confirm it for yourself is up to you. The Globalists agenda is to bait Israel to widen the conflict to the greater middle east and to bait america to keep them in the middle east, and if that happens the world will turn on Israel and America.
    Constant predator bombardment is destabilizing pakistan. Pakistanis are flowing to Iran and causing destabilization there. Mexico’s drug war has caused their country to be a failed state and their refugees are destabilizing the southwest. The chaos is brewing, and a great war could be the tipping point. Vulcanizing ethnic and religious groups against one another is a ploy. The problem is the globalists who use Israel and the Palestians as a means to an end. If you expose the globalists people will see the situation for what it is.

  20. Jabex,
    J. Edgar Hoover coined the phrase “conspiracy theory” when he said that there was no such thing as organized crime in america. We all know how that turned out. America is full of conspiracies, thats why we have the RICO statutes.
    If you disagree with me please do it on the merits of what i say. Global governance is not a conspiracy theory, its been announced publicly by heads of state. All of the groups that i’ve mentioned are well known to people who follow politics. You can copy and paste what i’ve written into a search engine and see scores of videos and articles on the topic.
    Peace.

  21. Blaine, Actually your analysis is most interesting, yet gives credence to ungodly counsel as being the biggest problem for those “wringing their hands.” Who is wringing their hands if trusting God? I especially appreciated the cycle of response identified as the problem solving method you cite of the diplomatic circles as you presented that cycle to be as to how they work on situations with other intentions over situations with their own goal setting purposes.
    Does your analysis grant too much omniscience to your analysis holding as an overarching reality in play? No, for your analysis leaves off where Biblical Prophecy and its own redemptive intention starts. I will further address this, God willing, in the next couple of days when I can get to it.

    Pamela–

    Psalm 83, as with many of the Psalms, is included within many scholarly Hebrew Text references as partially composed of ancient data accepted currently and in the past as being prophetic record. The entire body of Hebrew and Aramaic ancient Prophetic literature is catagorized where so by the scribes, Priests, and scholars who have preserved it over the centuries for the benefit of related religious communities: for their edification, information, repentance, and ongoing instruction of holy regard.
    The Psalm is important for its prediction of the joining of hearts of the enemies of Israel (“with one mind they plot together”), stemming from their ancient located “tents,” still identifiable of area names, not just being 21st Century nations, around Israel (e.g. Ammon, Edom, the Ishmalelites of Moab, Philistia, etc.). These peoples together believe in error that they can remove Israel from the earth in spite of YHVH’s chosing and favor. It is not just that there is a plot to destroy Israel recorded there, it is referenced in specific origins as to who conspires to do so, by ancient references of locale, peoples so planted, and by their history where a student of the text can discern that this is a major common mind Near and Middle Eastern plot which the Spirit of God knows about and will counter.
    There is no past historical completion of these plans as to the Psalm’s action or the Psalmist’s statements of response covering so large an area of instigators. A countermeasure will involve calling it evil and proclaiming it so (as has Netanyahu over and over confronted Israel’s enemies with open rebuke when “hypocrisy” is in the mix of their intentions). It will involve too God’s response, and the extension of the possibility for repentance (vs. 16) where these conspirators know shame. Evil is not good, in spite of these peoples’ assumptions.
    It is the wickedness of hearts intention to blot out what God has established which is detailed in origins in the Psalm. This helps any Biblical reader with historical maps to understand where the common mind has its sphere of belief against YHVH’s establishments. God will establish and protect with justice: prevailing over such cunning and shared evil murderous intention. In our time these locations and peoples have come to mutually embrace Islam, long prior, they held to their own Gods which gave them identifiable locales. God’s allied glory is solicited for his response in the statements of the Psalm for vindication. These enemies consult together, they conspire, they assume more power than of the people associated with the God who established Israel. We find too the informed Godly counsel position of response: let us cut them off because of their shared AGGRESSIVE motivation as a considered response to this cunning plot.
    We know from the New Testament that mention of Tenach scripture fulfillment passages regarding the Visitation, Instruction, Life, Actions, Passion, and Resurrection of Jesus/Yeshua include verses inserted in the Gospels from several of the Psalms and other prophetic material. Read in their original texts, and contexts, what the New Testament writers do with establishing quoted verses meaning is unique where so being assertively emphatic (as to promoting their written interpretation of some of even then old Psalms passages certainly taken out of immediate context as are interlaced with other Messianic messages purposes as are reported in the Gospels). Even so, the foundation of Christian faith stems from these old textual references, as origins for promoting divine inspiration’s projection of meaning into what were once future events of the life of the Messiah.
    I would suggest that a Google search on “Psalm 83 as Prophecy” would clear up the references to the nations surrounding Israel which are mentioned in ancient context and locale therein. Etymologically most geographical and political entities of the ancient world have set primal references which are widely recognized for their placements in later times when primal maps, related placements, and populations somewhat change. Actually this area has had basically the same people groups for thousands of years. “Gog and Magog”, as such too, are not known post modern geographical references, yet they are identified in scripture and by ancient maps as the sources of peoples on the fringes of known settlement, North, who will also invade Israel in the future according to other past Prophecy than Psalm 83 (EZk. 38:2, Revl. 20:8). When figuring out who these peoples will be, we look to where these references came from, as with the names of places in Psalm 83. FYI there has been no past time where the placements of people referred to have completed what the Psalmist states will come to pass in thought and purposed intention, let alone the ending of the passage in judgment outcome. These are references o the place names of the nations surrounding Israel now in the sphere of Islam.

  22. Ben, If you look at the videos from the URLs M.B. has posted you will see why a different approach was not “figured out” in advance. As to encountering the 6th ship’s planned violent resistence, the IDF had not prior encountered such a plan and had not boarded with such resistence in past experience, hence no such tactical contengency. As it came to pass, with “peace activists” including Terrorists neither side planned out what came to be.

    It is remarkable that the marines were able to subdue the mob with shots from guns which were holstered behind them when both hands were engaged with rappel ropes from above. The mob was predisposed to non peaceful means, breaking bones, stabbing, and beating. It is remarkable that the IDF was able to overcome their imposed restrictions in time by getting out their guns and repelling these hoodlums.

    Moral failure was on the part of the mob, not the IDF defensive response over time.

  23. Jabez,
    We’ve been studied for hundreds of years. The bureaucrats are social experts. They are not omnitient, but they are powerful. What we fail to understand at times is that politicians come and go but bureaucrats stay for years and years. If they have an agenda they have plenty of time to implement it.
    The Bilderberg minutes for this year have been leaked. They’ve green lighted airstrikes on Iran, President Obama has signed the UN’s small arms ban treaty.(Congress has to approve it) They’ve decided to prop up the euro. They’ve also decided to make america a more “european” democracy. they also said that they are getting their tails kicked on climate change. But, more and more people are becoming aware and they are worried about the current political awakening of the world. many regular attendees decided not to come this year because of the exposure, which is good because it is a violation of the logan act. so no, they are not omnitient but they have put a system in place that gives them great power. our lack of participation in american govt has allowed them to get this system into place. if we participate and get active in the state and local govt’s we can affect real change the founders would be proud of.

  24. A read of Jesus Mt. of Olives discourse seems to pale many plots of political intrigue over the many years it has been going on since Psalm 83 was written. It ensures that Jesus will Return, has a global and local government Plan coupled with that Return, and includes Redemption as his primary overarching intention. Let us be like the ten virgins, not the toes of the figure of N.’s kingdoms vision in Daniel: in upholding a focus and waiting on the Lord for His establishments and attitude toward whatever presents and controls world responses in these times.

    Let our responses be based on a consideration of faith, hope, and love.

  25. Eric, forgive me if this seems offensive to you, but I do not think that the government of Israel should be held responsible for that video. There have been youtube videos that show hatred towards the Jewish people, even a video with a woman yelling “heil hitler” to a Jewish man. This hatred for the Jews is also clearly shown by Muslim youtube videos. Let us be fair in our judgments. God is just and may His mercy fill His land of Israel and deliver it from injustice. I hope that God comes quickly and deliver His people from this evil world. God hates sin, and His desire is to deliver the Muslim people from the lies that come through their belief system.

  26. Robert, those are not my articles and just an FYI the Israeli government press office actually gave out this music video as like their official statement.

    I’m not sure what Jew hated, women yelling “heil hitler” to Jewish people or Muslims has anything to do with what I said. (Since I only said “This is interesting: “Israel forced to apologize for YouTube spoof of Gaza flotilla””(which was the name of the news article))

  27. I believe that the apology was not for the video itself – it was for making it their official statement.

  28. LISTEN TO SON OF HAMAS:

    Hamas’ Christian convert: I’ve left a society that sanctifies terror

    Son of popular Hamas MP has become rank-and-file Christian who abhors values he was brought up on.

    A moment before beginning his supper, Masab, son of West Bank Hamas leader Sheikh Hassan Yousef, glances at the friend who has accompanied him to the restaurant where we met. They whisper a few words and then say grace, thanking God and Jesus for putting food on their plates.

    It takes a few seconds to digest this sight: The son of a Hamas MP who is also the most popular figure in that extremist Islamic organization, a young man who assisted his father for years in his political activities, has become a rank-and-file Christian. “I’m now called Joseph,” he says at the outset.

    Masab knows that he has little hope of returning to visit the Holy Land in this lifetime.

    “I know that I’m endangering my life and am even liable to lose my father, but I hope that he’ll understand this and that God will give him and my family patience and willingness to open their eyes to Jesus and to Christianity. Maybe one day I’ll be able to return to Palestine and to Ramallah with Jesus, in the Kingdom of God.”

    Nor does he attempt to hide his affection for Israel, or his abhorrence of everything representing the surroundings in which he grew up: the nation, the religion, the organization.

    “Send regards to Israel, I miss it. I respect Israel and admire it as a country,” he says.

    “You Jews should be aware: You will never, but never have peace with Hamas. Islam, as the ideology that guides them, will not allow them to achieve a peace agreement with the Jews. They believe that tradition says that the Prophet Mohammed fought against the Jews and that therefore they must continue to fight them to the death.”

    Is that the justification for the suicide attacks?

    “More than that. An entire society sanctifies death and the suicide terrorists. In Palestinian culture a suicide terrorist becomes a hero, a martyr. Sheikhs tell their students about the ‘heroism of the shaheeds.'”

    And yet, in spite of the criticism of the place he left, California can’t make the longings disappear.

    “I miss Ramallah,” he says. “People with an open mind. … I mainly miss my mother, my brothers and sisters, but I know that it will be very difficult for me to return to Ramallah soon.”

  29. CONNED BY THE CANDY –
    The enemy has been antisemitic since at least Genesis 3:15; Why everyone is against Israel just shows me how far our government has sunk without thinking AT ALL. Although I’m right-wing in my political leanings, I’m quite sure that this administration is not the one to be blamed for ALL of it. I may be wrong, but as far as our govenment is concerned, I think it began a long time ago; I just don’t know when; did we bring these lies about Israel and the Jewish people over here with us from Europe? I’m very ashamed of the way the present administration has handled things in the mid-east; they should know by now that “dialoguing” with the Muslim world is of no effect. While it dialgues with the smiling Muslims who have no such plans to cooperate with us or Israel, they’re busy plotting their next move behind this blind government’s collective back; they could easily do it in the oval office, and still get away with it; they play our already antisemitic media as easily as the man with the ulterior motives who says, “wanna piece of candy, little girl?” The media goes blindly along with it, educating a suckered-public (mostly non-believers anyway), by their lies. This is only a small part of the bigger picture, but far be it from me to be able to analyze the motives of those who are able to hold sway over our govern-
    ment.I certainly wish I could. I think everyone above has presented at least one good point for me to ponder. The government should do the same, but of course, they were very easily conned by the candy a long time ago.

  30. I think we need to stand back a bit and consider the following scriptures:

    “On the day that I cleanse you from all your iniquities, I will cause the cities to be inhabited, and the waste places will be rebuilt. And the desolate land will be cultivated instead of being a desolation in the sight of everyone who passed by. And they will say, ‘This desolate land has become like the garden of Eden; and the waste, desolate, and ruined cities are fortified and inhabited” (Ezekiel 36:33-35).

    “Like the flock for sacrifices, like the flock at Jerusalem during her appointed feasts, so will the waste cities be filled with flocks of men. Then they will know that I am the Lord” (Ezekiel 36:38).

    These verses must point to the future – after Jacob’s trouble – because modern, Israel in large part, either despises or is indifferent to the Holy One of Israel. And no living Jew (who the rabbis define as a Jew) believes in Yeshua, the Holy one of Israel (Chollile, God forbid!). And surely, Israel can only be cleansed from its iniquities after the remnant that survive Jacob’s trouble will know that “I – Yeshua – am the Lord.

    “Do not fear, O Jacob my servant; do not be dismayed, O Israel. I will surely save you out of a distant place, your descendants from the land of their exile. Jacob will again have peace and security, and no one will make him afraid” (Jeremiah 46:27).

    It seems that the general opinion on this site is that the present State of Israel consists of Jews who have been saved out of a distant place. However, it is clear that the modern “Jacob” (Israel) has no peace and security. The Bible is clear that only after they have been saved from a distant place will they no longer be afraid. The State of Israel is not only very unsafe, it is the unsafest place on the planet..

    After God has restored the remnant to Israel, “they shall serve the Lord their God, and David their king whom I will raise up for them” (Jer. 30:9). . “And My servant David will be King over them, and they will all have one shepherd;” (Ezekiel 37 v.
    24a). We all know that David the King is YHWH the Son of God.

    Jacob’s trouble has hardly begun. There first has to be death (yes one more time) – and then the resurrection. Peace and restoration will come not only after the remnant have look on Him whom they have pierced and mourned and grieved bitterly for Him as a firstborn son, but after what come next; after they have died, and their lives are henceforth hidden with Christ in God (Colossians 3:3).

    God is sovereign and nothing happens unless he wills it. So, God must have willed 1948 as he also willed the building of Solomon’s temple and its destruction (by the Babylonians), and the return to the land and the rebuilding of the temple and its second destruction (by the Romans). What has God got planned for modern Israel? Most of the contributors on this site think it will all turn out ok for modern Israel. But I can’t see it from scripture.

  31. Jabez H.

    When did this doctrine concerning Psalm 83 come about? I ask that because you are living in a day and age where you have been given much. Back in the day, gleaming truthful doctrine from the Bible was very tedious work. But with the advent of the personal computer with all of its many applications, one can quickly pull out from the Bible all the scriptures related to one particular topic; therefore much is expected of You! There are many erroneous doctrines that are preached from the podium and are accept because we Christian trusted that the Theologians did the necessary research to derive at the proper conclusion, but now we can easily do that for ourselves.

    The first predicament that I see in this doctrine is that a tent-dwelling nation, along with the fact that their tents would not leave any archeological evidence, would not have the spirit to go against a nation that dwelt in walled city and grand homes.

    Deuteronomy 19:1 When the LORD thy God hath cut off the nations, whose land the LORD thy God giveth thee, and thou succeedest them, and dwellest in their cities, and in their houses;

    And it is because of this protection God had placed upon Israel that the nations of Psalm 83 do not exist.

    Genesis 12:3 And I will bless them that bless thee, and curse him that curseth thee: and in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed.

    Moreover, God overturned the national identity, culture and family connections of the land three times.

    Ezekiel 21:27 I will overturn, overturn, overturn, it: and it shall be no more, until he come whose right it is; and I will give it him.

    Beginning with the Babylonians, overturned to the Medes and Persian, overturned to the Grecian, overturned to the Romanians who then broke apart. It will be this way until the Lord returns again, so your doctrine concerning Psalm 83 is very presumptuous and arrogant. These harsh words are directed at the doctrine, not at you, for you are only reiterating what you have been taught. I know that you did not develop this doctrine. The Bible has enjoined this upon us…

    2 Corinthians 1:12 For our rejoicing is this, the testimony of our conscience, that in simplicity and godly sincerity, not with fleshly wisdom…

    Therefore any religious doctrine that requires an ‘Albert Einstein’-like brain to follow the logic of is erroneous for the Bible was written for easy understanding for the average ordinary person.

    Please serious re-think your doctrine of Psalm 83.

  32. I know that there will be an international investigation of this incident lead by the Israel govt., but I would like to add that this whole mess could have been prevented if the Flotilla Activists were respectful of Israel. Israel did not want to harm them, but the Flotilla Activists forced this upon themselves. I am pretty sure that America would have done the same thing. Or what would America do? Anyway, the Israel govt. proved to the world that they were not acting violently because they immediately released the prisoners (Flotilla Activists).

  33. Pamela, I am of the persuasion that you are out on an interpretive limb, so to speak. Bible commentaries since the 1800s have flagged the Psalm,in its allusion to Israel “as a nation”, as had Rabbinical commentaries far earlier: as to its prophetic nature of enemies identifications. It contains an assertive identification of God with his people for their solicitation for a future intervention by that God: as needed to counteract a widening plot to cut off Israel as a nation. This then is very signicant since 1948. This one cannot be spiritualized for meaning. Would you like it to mean something different?

    Again, go to area history maps, compare their place-names use to those located dwelling places mentioned in the Psalm, and, additionally, for an example, go to past cited prophecy extensions from Gog and Magog found as scholarly present day allusions for determining their present locations in political geographical terms as to their prophetic locations of named significance (given you as an example of precedent for such derivative meaning for future fulfillment for such location mapping for the Psalm 83 place-name references).

    “Tents”, from v 6, is but one rendering of Hebrew “^Ohel”, meaning dwellings of settlement, as can also be used as to a habitation of a family and/or its extended houshold. The entire Arabian area from below the great rivers to Egypt is saturated with such originally nomadic references and such founded tenting locales for its earily and present populations (see Gen. 13:5; 18:6; 25:27). Its use also includes the palace of David, in Is. 16:5, in Jerusalem, long after the Israelites stopped using tents for dwelling places.

    Did you do the Google search requested? Then there is no need for me to duplicate their efforts here for you.

    Here is a Debka report for you from today, as to alignments becoming broader and more inclusive which would plot to destroy Israel as a nation (coincidentally a source which has now reported Osama Bin Ladin’s home–dwelling place–for the past several years as well, it being in a regional mountain city of Iran):

    “Our military sources disclose Iskenderun’s quietly growing role in the last two months as a military hub in potential confrontations by Syria and Hizballah with Israel. In mid-May, Turkey moved anti-air missile batteries into the port to defend targets in Syria and Lebanon against potential Israeli air strikes from the eastern Mediterranean. This is the first time Ankara has provided Syria and Hizballah with an air defense umbrella and come down on their side in their conflict with Israel”. We can thus deduce what is going on in terms of ever widening alliances pledged to the destruction of Israel by looking at other current intelligence reports as to the alliances of Psalm 83 virtually happening one on one before our eyes. These could be called chess moves [Source:http://www.debka.com/article/8840/%5D.

    One would have to have their heart and head buried in desert sand to not recognize that a wider attitude of contempt for Israel is developing in the region than merely among those of Arab origins, and including the piling up of weaponry. This would be a sign of the times, and Psalm, for sure. I mentioned too the growing Islamic cadre in the UN and how that is idealogically going as to hypocrisy.

    Did you notice the reference to PHISTIA (see I Sam. 4:1)? The current occupants of that Gazan area have pledged the total destruction of Israel, as has the past 15 year shift in the occupation of the Lebanon to another Iranian revolution hate based foreign policy implanted militant group. The Bible is keen on its allusions for our benefit. Let’s keep our lamps lit.

    The regathering of the nation of Israel is the most significant prophetic reality in our world today. Who restrains Satan’s desires in this regard (in the heavenlies)? Who are the ten horns of Daniel? Could they be those mentioned in Pslam 83? What is the smiting stone that destroys the image where we first found the ten toes/horns, and how does that play into these events?

  34. Any and all. I would suggest doing a UTube search of Psalm 83 possible scenarios. Watch at least seven such videos. As these unfold by maps, it is clear that I am not the only interpreter thinking about this in present season. Sobering stuff. Even more so is the establishment of modern Israel.

  35. In 2006, when my son, Mikael, moved to Ireland as a base for a worldwide mission of Christ, in the same month there was a significant prophetic scriptural undergirdment discovery there. See: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ-vmsXgmVA&NR=1.

    I could comment on how this piece is meaningful in Ireland, with its own difficult history, but for our discussion let it be said that the text was bogged doen only to be open at that juncture in time. What happened in that month regarding the ten nations mentioned in Psalm 83, stemming from Iran?

    Like mysteries of the Tenach becoming unearthed? continue to do your research, believers!

  36. Jabez H.

    I see that you guys being having a field day with this supposed Psalm 83 prophecy for the last four years, but check this out. Just in case you missed it, look at today’s world news as they talk about what is happening in the Gulf of Mexico with the oil.

    Video~http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3032619/#37562429

    People are just flabbergasted over the scope of this catastrophe. Then we had hurricanes hit the Midwest yesterday which torn apart not only structures, but people’s lives as well. Ever since that earthquake happened in Haiti, all kind of disasters have happen right here in the US. Have you forgotten about the long and intense winter that just passed and the other devastations that have been happening back to back to back? And it goes on.

    I am sure you’re wondering what does that has to do with our discussing. It’s about prophesy, something that you seem to be very interested in. Let me tell you, I had received a prophecy about my life. (It is very personal, so please pardon me for not disclosing it.) But this personal prophecy from God was hard to ingest at the time that I received it. It was an FYI prophecy on my life. I didn’t like what it said, and I shut it out of my mind and forgot about it until those very things started to happen. The main point that I want to make is, even though I understood the basic main points of that prophecy for me, I didn’t know or couldn’t tell you exactly how it would come about.

    What God has given us is 20/20 hindsight. In other words, even though there are stated prophecies in the Bible, we won’t be able to predict the details until while or after it has happened. Remember reading about Joseph’s dream that prophesied that all of his brothers and father would bow down to him? Do you think he knew exactly how that would happen since he and his family were just sheepherders in the middle of nowhere?

    You all are taking this supposed Psalm 83 prophecy and deriving much detailed information from it, but let’s come back to present day reality. Read this actual prophecy of the bible for the last days…

    Luke 21:26 Men’s hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.

    And this one…

    Revelation 7

    1And after these things I saw four angels standing on the four corners of the earth, holding the four winds of the earth, that the wind should not blow on the earth, nor on the sea, nor on any tree.

    2And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,

    3Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

    This Gulf of Mexico oil crisis has hurt the hearts of men. I have witness grown men cry over this. Our sea has been hurt. I’m paying attention because it could be possible that the servants of God have been sealed in their foreheads, and those four angels have been granted the permission to hurt the earth and the seas!

    If that is so, then we haven’t seen the last of these catastrophes happening on a Biblical scale.

    For your supposed Psalm 83 prophecy ~ How are they going to attack Israel if they can’t fly their jets in the air due to volcanic ash everywhere or other such devastations happening on the earth???

    And just recently, many jets have been crash landing killing almost everyone on broad, and you guys want to dwell on another man-made war!!!

  37. The underlying issue here is that as long as there is profit to be made through weapons systems, bombs and bullets, this fight will go on. You can say much of the same for all of the American conflicts going on. The normal Americans, Palestians and Jews want peace.
    Why are the Marines guarding poppy fields in Afghanistan? $$$$ Google heraldo rivera afghanistan poppy, he interviews a colonel for fox news who explains why they guard poppy. They are using the same excuse they used in Vietnam, “if we dont guard it than the (insert enemy here) will get it!”
    We’re not the Romans, its time for Americans to say no to empire. War leads to monetary waste and corruption. Our civil liberties are under attack because of this war on terror.
    Jefferson declared war on the Barbary pirates, who were Muslim, through an act of congress, but our congress will not declare war anymore. You can’t declare war on a tactic (terror), you declare war on an entity (hezbollah, hamas, al quaeda, muslim brotherhood…etc).

  38. Pamela, I’d suggest going to the prophecy section of any good Bible dictionary to find an accurate depiction of what prophecies are still extant in these last days. Of course no one can say something is fulfilled in any absolute sense until it is. Even so, the Lord told us to watch and pray, to be discerning, to follow the revelation of the Spirit (per John 13:36 to early 16), and to follow the word, as written. Peter told the Jewish nation the conditions of the heavens holding back Yeshua until the fulfillments of all not completed in “the Prophets of Old,” in Acts 3:21. Paul taught on many aspects of the Return, which do not happen until what Peter stated does. The Mt. of Olives discourse is indeed helpful in this regard, as is the later section of the Revelation given to John.

    As written, you seem to want Psalm 83 not to apply, even though the vast majority of Bible scholars state that it is a future event. We have to get through it and other events for the Return to occur.

    As for the last four years, August 2006 was significant as that is when Iran’s missle program achieved its goals, as supplied by China, North Korea, and Russia. Aliances too with other Near Eastern and Middle Eastern nations were formed for their current policy which embraces no future for a Jewish state of self governance.

    They would accept a total surrender and a Jewish State under Islam, if you believe what Iran’s Political leader has stated at the UN. But then he also stated that Allah was the supreme highest authority, not the God of the Bible in that context. Do with it what you will, as for me and my household, we will hear YHVH.

  39. I am not happy to see what happened, especially as a christian it is not at least acceptable it happened in the night, after mid night.

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