Wow, this was eye-opening. I am shocked and disgusted, quite sickened to my soul. May God bless you, Dr. Brown, for being willing to be an agent for change in the present atmosphere. No wonder we are living in “end times.”
Thanks for the history of these prominent colleges’ founding ideals. It serves to illustrate just how far from them our universities have fallen.
I wish I had some words to uplift; right now I am still in shock.
Ruth — and remember: This was the tiniest tip of the iceberg. It is far more shocking than a few minutes of radio can convey — but Jesus is still Lord!
I too am in shock. I live in rural NC and this was a wake-up call. I don’t think our churches know WHAT to do with this. I don’t even think most youth pastors WANT to bring this topic to the table because of how the PARENTS would react. If someone brought these statistics to light in our communities, they would not believe them. This kind of show proves that this is not isolated to inner cities and north of the Mason Dixon line. I’m sure there is still a lot of prejudice here against homosexuality, behind closed doors. But if truth be told, I’m positive that a lot of our community leaders would feel threatened and exposed with this kind of truth spoken. Truth is a powerful weapon.
I did’nt know that homosexuality had gotten to these levels.Even in our high schools.How has this happened?The morals in this country are unbelieveable.It seems to be happening at such a high pace.
Discuss homosexuality amongst our youth and four people comment.Discuss the hebrew translation for Jesus[Yahshua or Yeshua]and passions run high. I asked a few christians to ask store managers to remove magazines that were offensive from the shelves where you check out.Some did”nt appear to care. Many in the church have become complacent.If the we don’nt stand up and do something soon it’s going to be to late.
Bob T., I appreciate your point.
Part of the problem as I’m sure you know is that gays can find churches which will accept them totally. They can find gay pastors and others who will relegate homosexuality to the same place as other aspects of Mosaic Law have been.
If I were feeling that I was gay, I’d probably want to go where my homosexuality was rubber-stamped as OK and someone told me it was fine with Jesus. I would say I wasn’t “judged” or “condemned” – which is how it’s seen. I’d say the others were just intolerant, “homophobic” Christians, or whatever buzz word is being used. At such churches, God’s “LOVE” is seen as just warm acceptance, without standards for conduct. It’s good to feel accepted and loved by God, but I think we all know that in a serious relationship, God will chastize, too.
The standard which churches held for so long got lowered, with the inevitable result…
It’s good that the Line of Fire Team, headed by Dr. Brown, is reminding people that God’s standards of conduct haven’t suddenly changed. Yes, He loves all sinners, and whom He loves, He corrects.
Prov 3:11-12 (NIV) My son, do not despise the Lord’s discipline and do not resent his rebuke, because the Lord disciplines those he loves, as a father the son he delights in.
Prov 15:5 (NIV) A fool spurns his father’s discipline, but whoever heeds correction shows prudence.
Heb 12:9-11 (NIV) Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live! Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
Rev 3:19 (NIV) [Jesus] “Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent.”
What I can see really changes a person is that partaking of the divine nature, or true “born-again” experience. It changes the tastes and desires, because the Lord lives within us. Therefore, it’s not left up to the personal (and inadequate) will to fight temptation, but a surrendered will to He who has already overcome the world and all its lures.
Peace
Ruth, Very well said.What you were saying about the standards of churchs being lowered is true. God does discipline us as needed .That’s made clear through the scirptures that you pointed out. I don’nt think enough is said about the born-again experience and how it changes you.We may have been led to christ in many defferent ways but we all had the born-again experience if we were truly saved.
Bob T.,
You wrote, “Discuss homosexuality amongst our youth and four people comment.Discuss the hebrew translation for Jesus[Yahshua or Yeshua]and passions run high.”
This really says it all, doesn’t it? May the Lord awaken our hearts!
Dr.Brown-The unsaved of the generation 50 years ago would have stood up and demanded change with just a few of the immoral things going on today.But the church today seems to be silent except for a few such as yourself.We need an awakening,a revival.Because we need a revolution,not an armed revolution but one such you talked about in your book [Revolution, The call to holy war].
That was shocking and kind of depressing. I am so ill-equipped in this area (homosexual ministry).
I’m glad you brought in some encouraging material. Can I have your source for the materials on the universities or your recommended reading? Thanks. OWI!
I wish I could say I am shocked, but I’m not. I have kids in high school. My son has shared with me just how prevalent homosexuality–especially bi-sexuality is (girl on girl). On the day of silence there were MANY kids who took part—-a good portion of the student body.
Everything starts somewhere. I believe it is because we have gone astray concerning our marital practices(remarriage=adultery according to God’s Word). The church is supposed to be a light in the world and examples of what is “good” and Godly and we have fallen FAR short. WE opened the door for what we are now seeing. Because we have forsaken God’s proper use of the creation intent for man and wife:
we can no longer stand up against other forms of sexual immorality with legitimacy. When we come out against homosexuality many can AND HAVE in response said, “but adultery–as defined by Jesus and Paul is being practiced in almost all churches today—unrepentant adultery—people having relations with other people’s spouses, according to God’s definition of adultery.”
That has been said to me before. What kind of response does one have to that? They are right. This, to me is a prime example of Mt. 7 (judging in hypocrisy). The church, as a whole, will not be able to judge rightly until we get the BEAM out of our own eye(concerning sexual immorality), cleaning up our own sins, THEN we can truly be a help to those who are in bondage to homosexuality.
As Ruth said, though, until the Lord changes a heart through regeneration, true change will not come………but we (the professing Christian Church) can do our part by turning from our own sins so the door can be opened much wider for us to believeably minister to those in bondage sexually. Blessings……….
Cindy,
May I ask what city you live in? Thanks!
Sure, Dr. Brown, I live in West Bloomfield, Mi.
Thanks for the quick response, and amen to your post.
🙂 May the Lord continue to give you strength and wisdom as you tackle the tough topics He lays before you. Blessings……….
Unfortunately, I am not shocked, but I am greatly concerned. I am a college professor in a graduate program, and even in the last 4-5 years things have changed greatly. It used to be hard to find a few students because of name changes after marriage, but its much more difficult when Tanya changes to Tommy after a gender ‘reassignment’!! The university where I am is also known for their art and music departments, so homosexuality has been a common issue on the main campus, but not until recently has it been an issue with students in the graduate programs…
Jeremy, thanks for the eyewitness report. I’m right there with you: Not shocked but greatly concerned, with my hope being in God alone.
…Sorry to post again, but this just in…a former student of mine from another university has posted pics of himself on facebook at a homosexual night club in Raleigh and bragging about his ‘wild time’. IF i’m not mistaken, he was a big part of the Christian fellowship organization at that university…I would have never guessed! This is getting ridiculous!! I even investigated a little more after my shock, and his ‘info’ was quite explicit…a quote also states that he wished Jesus would come back and say “I didn’t mean it like that”…
Let’s just say I am very concerned for the future, because I am not just teaching grad students, but healthcare professionals…and if its like this where I am, in rural, smaller, private universities, I could only imagine what its like in state schools! God help us!
Dr.Brown-Your right of course only Gods super natural intervention can change things.I do believe we need to make a stand for the Lord and his teachings.I pray things will change.I hate the immorality that’s in our country.My hope is in the LORD! Praise GOD!
I shudder to think what levels of libertine immorality future generations will be exhibiting. I keep hoping the pendulum will start to swing in the other direction, but it astonishes me how it keeps swinging out further and further.
I think young people who have given their lives to God may just be the best ministers to their generations. I know when I was in my teens and twenties, my peer group was more important to me than my “elders.” I hope and pray God will lead more young people to devote themselves to His ministry so they can be an example others can take heart in.
Wow, this was eye-opening. I am shocked and disgusted, quite sickened to my soul. May God bless you, Dr. Brown, for being willing to be an agent for change in the present atmosphere. No wonder we are living in “end times.”
Thanks for the history of these prominent colleges’ founding ideals. It serves to illustrate just how far from them our universities have fallen.
I wish I had some words to uplift; right now I am still in shock.
Ruth — and remember: This was the tiniest tip of the iceberg. It is far more shocking than a few minutes of radio can convey — but Jesus is still Lord!
I too am in shock. I live in rural NC and this was a wake-up call. I don’t think our churches know WHAT to do with this. I don’t even think most youth pastors WANT to bring this topic to the table because of how the PARENTS would react. If someone brought these statistics to light in our communities, they would not believe them. This kind of show proves that this is not isolated to inner cities and north of the Mason Dixon line. I’m sure there is still a lot of prejudice here against homosexuality, behind closed doors. But if truth be told, I’m positive that a lot of our community leaders would feel threatened and exposed with this kind of truth spoken. Truth is a powerful weapon.
I did’nt know that homosexuality had gotten to these levels.Even in our high schools.How has this happened?The morals in this country are unbelieveable.It seems to be happening at such a high pace.
Discuss homosexuality amongst our youth and four people comment.Discuss the hebrew translation for Jesus[Yahshua or Yeshua]and passions run high. I asked a few christians to ask store managers to remove magazines that were offensive from the shelves where you check out.Some did”nt appear to care. Many in the church have become complacent.If the we don’nt stand up and do something soon it’s going to be to late.
Bob T., I appreciate your point.
Part of the problem as I’m sure you know is that gays can find churches which will accept them totally. They can find gay pastors and others who will relegate homosexuality to the same place as other aspects of Mosaic Law have been.
If I were feeling that I was gay, I’d probably want to go where my homosexuality was rubber-stamped as OK and someone told me it was fine with Jesus. I would say I wasn’t “judged” or “condemned” – which is how it’s seen. I’d say the others were just intolerant, “homophobic” Christians, or whatever buzz word is being used. At such churches, God’s “LOVE” is seen as just warm acceptance, without standards for conduct. It’s good to feel accepted and loved by God, but I think we all know that in a serious relationship, God will chastize, too.
The standard which churches held for so long got lowered, with the inevitable result…
It’s good that the Line of Fire Team, headed by Dr. Brown, is reminding people that God’s standards of conduct haven’t suddenly changed. Yes, He loves all sinners, and whom He loves, He corrects.
Prov 3:11-12 (NIV) My son, do not despise the Lord’s discipline and do not resent his rebuke, because the Lord disciplines those he loves, as a father the son he delights in.
Prov 15:5 (NIV) A fool spurns his father’s discipline, but whoever heeds correction shows prudence.
Heb 12:9-11 (NIV) Moreover, we have all had human fathers who disciplined us and we respected them for it. How much more should we submit to the Father of our spirits and live! Our fathers disciplined us for a little while as they thought best; but God disciplines us for our good, that we may share in his holiness. No discipline seems pleasant at the time, but painful. Later on, however, it produces a harvest of righteousness and peace for those who have been trained by it.
Rev 3:19 (NIV) [Jesus] “Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent.”
What I can see really changes a person is that partaking of the divine nature, or true “born-again” experience. It changes the tastes and desires, because the Lord lives within us. Therefore, it’s not left up to the personal (and inadequate) will to fight temptation, but a surrendered will to He who has already overcome the world and all its lures.
Peace
Ruth, Very well said.What you were saying about the standards of churchs being lowered is true. God does discipline us as needed .That’s made clear through the scirptures that you pointed out. I don’nt think enough is said about the born-again experience and how it changes you.We may have been led to christ in many defferent ways but we all had the born-again experience if we were truly saved.
Bob T.,
You wrote, “Discuss homosexuality amongst our youth and four people comment.Discuss the hebrew translation for Jesus[Yahshua or Yeshua]and passions run high.”
This really says it all, doesn’t it? May the Lord awaken our hearts!
Dr.Brown-The unsaved of the generation 50 years ago would have stood up and demanded change with just a few of the immoral things going on today.But the church today seems to be silent except for a few such as yourself.We need an awakening,a revival.Because we need a revolution,not an armed revolution but one such you talked about in your book [Revolution, The call to holy war].
That was shocking and kind of depressing. I am so ill-equipped in this area (homosexual ministry).
I’m glad you brought in some encouraging material. Can I have your source for the materials on the universities or your recommended reading? Thanks. OWI!
I wish I could say I am shocked, but I’m not. I have kids in high school. My son has shared with me just how prevalent homosexuality–especially bi-sexuality is (girl on girl). On the day of silence there were MANY kids who took part—-a good portion of the student body.
Everything starts somewhere. I believe it is because we have gone astray concerning our marital practices(remarriage=adultery according to God’s Word). The church is supposed to be a light in the world and examples of what is “good” and Godly and we have fallen FAR short. WE opened the door for what we are now seeing. Because we have forsaken God’s proper use of the creation intent for man and wife:
http://andromeda.rutgers.edu/~lcrew/assay49.html
we can no longer stand up against other forms of sexual immorality with legitimacy. When we come out against homosexuality many can AND HAVE in response said, “but adultery–as defined by Jesus and Paul is being practiced in almost all churches today—unrepentant adultery—people having relations with other people’s spouses, according to God’s definition of adultery.”
That has been said to me before. What kind of response does one have to that? They are right. This, to me is a prime example of Mt. 7 (judging in hypocrisy). The church, as a whole, will not be able to judge rightly until we get the BEAM out of our own eye(concerning sexual immorality), cleaning up our own sins, THEN we can truly be a help to those who are in bondage to homosexuality.
As Ruth said, though, until the Lord changes a heart through regeneration, true change will not come………but we (the professing Christian Church) can do our part by turning from our own sins so the door can be opened much wider for us to believeably minister to those in bondage sexually. Blessings……….
Cindy,
May I ask what city you live in? Thanks!
Sure, Dr. Brown, I live in West Bloomfield, Mi.
Thanks for the quick response, and amen to your post.
🙂 May the Lord continue to give you strength and wisdom as you tackle the tough topics He lays before you. Blessings……….
Unfortunately, I am not shocked, but I am greatly concerned. I am a college professor in a graduate program, and even in the last 4-5 years things have changed greatly. It used to be hard to find a few students because of name changes after marriage, but its much more difficult when Tanya changes to Tommy after a gender ‘reassignment’!! The university where I am is also known for their art and music departments, so homosexuality has been a common issue on the main campus, but not until recently has it been an issue with students in the graduate programs…
Jeremy, thanks for the eyewitness report. I’m right there with you: Not shocked but greatly concerned, with my hope being in God alone.
…Sorry to post again, but this just in…a former student of mine from another university has posted pics of himself on facebook at a homosexual night club in Raleigh and bragging about his ‘wild time’. IF i’m not mistaken, he was a big part of the Christian fellowship organization at that university…I would have never guessed! This is getting ridiculous!! I even investigated a little more after my shock, and his ‘info’ was quite explicit…a quote also states that he wished Jesus would come back and say “I didn’t mean it like that”…
Let’s just say I am very concerned for the future, because I am not just teaching grad students, but healthcare professionals…and if its like this where I am, in rural, smaller, private universities, I could only imagine what its like in state schools! God help us!
Dr.Brown-Your right of course only Gods super natural intervention can change things.I do believe we need to make a stand for the Lord and his teachings.I pray things will change.I hate the immorality that’s in our country.My hope is in the LORD! Praise GOD!
I shudder to think what levels of libertine immorality future generations will be exhibiting. I keep hoping the pendulum will start to swing in the other direction, but it astonishes me how it keeps swinging out further and further.
I think young people who have given their lives to God may just be the best ministers to their generations. I know when I was in my teens and twenties, my peer group was more important to me than my “elders.” I hope and pray God will lead more young people to devote themselves to His ministry so they can be an example others can take heart in.