If I haven’t answered your questions in all the previous posts, then it appears I won’t be able to satisfy you. You are free to call Jesus-Yeshua whatever you want, but I suggest you use real names that make sense in the language you’re speaking, not made up ones. Plain and simple. If this is not clear to you by now, sorry, but I really can’t help you understand.
So Dr. Brown, are you saying that Hebrew is a language and culture that should only be preserved for Jews and kept away from non-Jews? How then will the Torah ever go out from Zion to the nations?
Or are you saying that the message from Zion should go out in a way like the Pope’s messages in Latin which everyone has to obey but no one really comprehends?
Well, I guess this discussion is going nowhere, and I’ll better stop here. Shalom!
Erika,
I’m saying first that people should relate to Jesus as best they can, and for most that means in the language they know Him in. If God wanted everyone to be Jewish or read Hebrew He would have done things differently.
That being said, I’m all for people being introduced to the realities of Jesus’ Jewishness — including His name Yeshua — as well as other aspects of the Jewish roots of the NT faith.
Your comment about the Pope actually works against you, since you’re saying that people SHOULD use words and terms they don’t understand (like Yeshua or Ruah HaKodesh, e.g.) as opposed to words they do understand.
Anyway, I think I’ve made myself quite clear.
Shalom!
Dr. Brown,
If there is a made up word, it is “Jesus”.
The “J” is a very modern mispronunciation. The “S” in the middle is supposed to be “SH”. The “S” at the end is not supposed to be pronounced. There Should be an “AH” sound at the end.
Maybe “Joshua”, with the “J” pronounced as a “Y”, seems “made up” to you but it didn’t to the the KJV scholars and many, many more that followed.
And honestly, I do not think that you addressed many if any of my questions. Let the readers be the Judge. I will drop this issue, now, as you seem to want it that way.
Shalom
Dangerous Bo,
Enough already, friend. We speak English, and we use English names.
I’m officially done with the discussion. 🙂
Blessings to you!
Hello Dr. Brown,
I discovered you and your progam through Dr. James White and his Dividing Line program. I enjoyed your interaction with Dr. White on the topic of Calvinism/Arminianism.
That being said, I have heard many people complain about the letter “j” in Jesus’ name and wanted to share what I’ve recently dicovered. I hope it helps some to see that there is no “corruption” or evil intent in the name “Jesus.”
Notice what the Oxford English Dictionary says about the history of the letter “j” :
This “tenth letter of the alphabet in English and other modern languages is, in its origin, a comparatively late modification of the letter I. In the ancient Roman alpha- bet, I, besides its vowel value… had the kindred consonantal value of modern English Y… Some time before the 6th century, this y-sound had, by compression in articulation and consequent development of an initial ‘stop’, become a consonantal diphthong… In OE, i consonant, so far as it was used, had (as still in all the continental Germanic languages) its Latin value (y)… But the French orthography introduced by the Norman Conquest brought in the Old French value of i consonant = g ‘soft’ (dsh); a sound which English has ever since retained in words derived from that source… From the 11th to the 17th c., then, the letter i represented at once the vowel sound of i, and a consonant sound (dsh), far removed from the vowel.”
Throughout the medieval period, the forms of the modern “i” and “j” were used interchangeably, and both forms represented the same letter. How, then, did “i” and “j” come to be considered two distinct letters of the alphabet? “The differentiation was made first in Spanish, where, from the very introduction of printing, we see j used for the consonant, and i only for the vowel… Louis Elzevir, who printed at Leyden 1595–1616, is generally credited with making the modern distinction of u and v, i and j, which was shortly after followed by the introduction of U and J among the capitals by Lazarus Zetmer of Strasburg in 1619” (OED, “J”). The letters “i” and “j” continued for many years to be considered merely different forms of the same letter, so that as late as the early 19th century, dictionaries commonly intermingled the I and J words in one series.”
Hello, where is the audio? I missed this broadcast and would like to listen to it.
Nakdimon,
Not sure what happened. The audio was up but is obviously not there at the moment. Our folks will check and get it fixed. Thanks!
Nomad,
Thanks for the citation!
Dr. Brown,
In your post of May 9th, 10:23 am, you say that Savior and Salvation is who Jesus is.
I believe Saviour and Salvation is what Jesus is.
Through the longsuffering of God, Jesus was given to us. (II Peter 3:15… This makes today the day of salvation.)
When I say that Jesus is God, I am saying that God is what Jesus is. Some others seem to say that is who Jesus is.
Shalom Dr. Brown,
I love your show and thank you for all you do! I have one question dealing with the Tetragrammaton.
how do you translate אהיה אשר אהיה
Ehyeh asher Ehyeh in Exodus 3:14
Should it be I AM that I AM, I AM who I AM, I Shall be what i shall be, or I will be that I will be?
Thank you and God Bless
Shalom and Maranatha
Kyle Exodus 3:14, Deut. 6:4, Mark 12:29-31
Dr. Brown,
Do you think that it is acceptable to say “Jehovah”?
Big Tex, I think it’s acceptable, since people have related to God by that name — but I believe it’s best not to, since it’s not a real name. Better to say Yahweh or just Lord — but I honestly don’t believe the Lord is in the least bit troubled when people relate to Him in that way, especially when it’s based on an innocent misunderstanding.
It seems to me that those that worship God, give him a name one way or another. It seems impossible to praise God and not ascribe to him some kind of a name. All who will do so must depart from iniquity. (II Timothy 2:19) If we do belong to Christ, he will correct us of everything wrong that we do, in proper time.
Dr Brown, I agree with your statements about Yeshua. I noticed some Kairite Jews provide a lot of evidence (looks convincing) that they have kept pronouncing the Name and it’s pronounced Yihweh, based on Yihyeh. If the Kairites have kept this name through the centuries wouldn’t it be the original? Have you read of this teaching? I’m not supporting that claim, of course, I want to know your opinion. Thanks!
Another question = what do you think of C J Koster’s book ‘Come Out of Her My People’. It questions and condemns the use of words like “Church” and “Bible” as pagan? Is it misinformation?
Rebekah,
I’m not Dr. Brown, but I’ve interacted with the things you are bringing up before, so I’ll take a stab:
Everything I have researched says that the Karaites had their beginnings in approximately the 7th century A.D. That fact alone makes me skeptical that they kept the name of the Lord through the centuries since by the time they split off into their own sect the Jews were already avoiding its pronunciation. That just doesn’t seem to sync with the history of the movement.
Re: C.J. Koster’s book, STAY AWAY!!! Not only is “Come out of her my people” plain out spiritual poison (yes, it is misinformation through-and-through), but from my understanding, Mr. Koster himself denies the Deity of Jesus Christ, making him at best a heretic, and at worst an anti-Christ.
Take care, Tom
Dr. Brown
My Israeli sister in Meshiach says that every time the Ruach HaKodesh is referred to it’s in the feminine. What is your answer to that?
YAH is short for YHVH or YHWH and shua taken from teshua means salvation. Thus Yahshua means YAH is salvation. The Son is named after His Father just as we name our sons after their fathers. Wonder where that originated?! What does the scripture mean “Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord if not YAHshua is YAHWEH or YAHVEH for they are one! YAHshua said He and the Father are one. We know that they are three in one yet one united. Also some do not agree including myself that the New Testament was originally written in Greek. The Hebrew language was spoken at that time because the Apostle Paul in Acts 22:2 spoke to them in Hebrew.
Anyway, the name/s of YAH are important today because we have many saying that Allah is GOD too just called by a different name which is a lie from the very real pit of hell. Pagan gods should never be confused with the one true GOD of Israel.
L Almost last but certainly not least while attending the Brownsville revival you prayed for me as one among many and YAH manifested such golden glory anointing in me that I will never ever be the same! Thanks for the scripture you hand wrote in one of your books I purchased that says, “There are many plans in a man’s heart nevertheless the LORD’s counsel that will stand.” Prov.19:21 I have stood on that many times!
Most importantly is that we “know” HIM! And pluck those who do not out of the flames of eternal hell!
YAH’s blessings and favor! Lynn
I have been checking out some of your posts and i must say nice stuff. I will make sure to bookmark your blog.
Hi Dr. Brown, I have much respect for you and your honesty. I would like to know what you think about the so-called star of David. In particular, in light of the fact that this appears to be the star of the god Remphan/Rephan/Chiun, which is basically satan. Is this not the sign of the synagogue of satan? And isn’t the Menorah the symbol of of God’s covenant? Thank you and God bless.
Dangerous Bo,
If I haven’t answered your questions in all the previous posts, then it appears I won’t be able to satisfy you. You are free to call Jesus-Yeshua whatever you want, but I suggest you use real names that make sense in the language you’re speaking, not made up ones. Plain and simple. If this is not clear to you by now, sorry, but I really can’t help you understand.
So Dr. Brown, are you saying that Hebrew is a language and culture that should only be preserved for Jews and kept away from non-Jews? How then will the Torah ever go out from Zion to the nations?
Or are you saying that the message from Zion should go out in a way like the Pope’s messages in Latin which everyone has to obey but no one really comprehends?
Well, I guess this discussion is going nowhere, and I’ll better stop here. Shalom!
Erika,
I’m saying first that people should relate to Jesus as best they can, and for most that means in the language they know Him in. If God wanted everyone to be Jewish or read Hebrew He would have done things differently.
That being said, I’m all for people being introduced to the realities of Jesus’ Jewishness — including His name Yeshua — as well as other aspects of the Jewish roots of the NT faith.
Your comment about the Pope actually works against you, since you’re saying that people SHOULD use words and terms they don’t understand (like Yeshua or Ruah HaKodesh, e.g.) as opposed to words they do understand.
Anyway, I think I’ve made myself quite clear.
Shalom!
Dr. Brown,
If there is a made up word, it is “Jesus”.
The “J” is a very modern mispronunciation. The “S” in the middle is supposed to be “SH”. The “S” at the end is not supposed to be pronounced. There Should be an “AH” sound at the end.
Maybe “Joshua”, with the “J” pronounced as a “Y”, seems “made up” to you but it didn’t to the the KJV scholars and many, many more that followed.
And honestly, I do not think that you addressed many if any of my questions. Let the readers be the Judge. I will drop this issue, now, as you seem to want it that way.
Shalom
Dangerous Bo,
Enough already, friend. We speak English, and we use English names.
I’m officially done with the discussion. 🙂
Blessings to you!
Hello Dr. Brown,
I discovered you and your progam through Dr. James White and his Dividing Line program. I enjoyed your interaction with Dr. White on the topic of Calvinism/Arminianism.
That being said, I have heard many people complain about the letter “j” in Jesus’ name and wanted to share what I’ve recently dicovered. I hope it helps some to see that there is no “corruption” or evil intent in the name “Jesus.”
Notice what the Oxford English Dictionary says about the history of the letter “j” :
This “tenth letter of the alphabet in English and other modern languages is, in its origin, a comparatively late modification of the letter I. In the ancient Roman alpha- bet, I, besides its vowel value… had the kindred consonantal value of modern English Y… Some time before the 6th century, this y-sound had, by compression in articulation and consequent development of an initial ‘stop’, become a consonantal diphthong… In OE, i consonant, so far as it was used, had (as still in all the continental Germanic languages) its Latin value (y)… But the French orthography introduced by the Norman Conquest brought in the Old French value of i consonant = g ‘soft’ (dsh); a sound which English has ever since retained in words derived from that source… From the 11th to the 17th c., then, the letter i represented at once the vowel sound of i, and a consonant sound (dsh), far removed from the vowel.”
Throughout the medieval period, the forms of the modern “i” and “j” were used interchangeably, and both forms represented the same letter. How, then, did “i” and “j” come to be considered two distinct letters of the alphabet? “The differentiation was made first in Spanish, where, from the very introduction of printing, we see j used for the consonant, and i only for the vowel… Louis Elzevir, who printed at Leyden 1595–1616, is generally credited with making the modern distinction of u and v, i and j, which was shortly after followed by the introduction of U and J among the capitals by Lazarus Zetmer of Strasburg in 1619” (OED, “J”). The letters “i” and “j” continued for many years to be considered merely different forms of the same letter, so that as late as the early 19th century, dictionaries commonly intermingled the I and J words in one series.”
Hello, where is the audio? I missed this broadcast and would like to listen to it.
Nakdimon,
Not sure what happened. The audio was up but is obviously not there at the moment. Our folks will check and get it fixed. Thanks!
Nomad,
Thanks for the citation!
Dr. Brown,
In your post of May 9th, 10:23 am, you say that Savior and Salvation is who Jesus is.
I believe Saviour and Salvation is what Jesus is.
Through the longsuffering of God, Jesus was given to us. (II Peter 3:15… This makes today the day of salvation.)
When I say that Jesus is God, I am saying that God is what Jesus is. Some others seem to say that is who Jesus is.
Shalom Dr. Brown,
I love your show and thank you for all you do! I have one question dealing with the Tetragrammaton.
how do you translate אהיה אשר אהיה
Ehyeh asher Ehyeh in Exodus 3:14
Should it be I AM that I AM, I AM who I AM, I Shall be what i shall be, or I will be that I will be?
Thank you and God Bless
Shalom and Maranatha
Kyle
Exodus 3:14, Deut. 6:4, Mark 12:29-31
Dr. Brown,
Do you think that it is acceptable to say “Jehovah”?
Big Tex, I think it’s acceptable, since people have related to God by that name — but I believe it’s best not to, since it’s not a real name. Better to say Yahweh or just Lord — but I honestly don’t believe the Lord is in the least bit troubled when people relate to Him in that way, especially when it’s based on an innocent misunderstanding.
It seems to me that those that worship God, give him a name one way or another. It seems impossible to praise God and not ascribe to him some kind of a name. All who will do so must depart from iniquity. (II Timothy 2:19) If we do belong to Christ, he will correct us of everything wrong that we do, in proper time.
Dr Brown, I agree with your statements about Yeshua. I noticed some Kairite Jews provide a lot of evidence (looks convincing) that they have kept pronouncing the Name and it’s pronounced Yihweh, based on Yihyeh. If the Kairites have kept this name through the centuries wouldn’t it be the original? Have you read of this teaching? I’m not supporting that claim, of course, I want to know your opinion. Thanks!
Another question = what do you think of C J Koster’s book ‘Come Out of Her My People’. It questions and condemns the use of words like “Church” and “Bible” as pagan? Is it misinformation?
Rebekah,
I’m not Dr. Brown, but I’ve interacted with the things you are bringing up before, so I’ll take a stab:
Everything I have researched says that the Karaites had their beginnings in approximately the 7th century A.D. That fact alone makes me skeptical that they kept the name of the Lord through the centuries since by the time they split off into their own sect the Jews were already avoiding its pronunciation. That just doesn’t seem to sync with the history of the movement.
Re: C.J. Koster’s book, STAY AWAY!!! Not only is “Come out of her my people” plain out spiritual poison (yes, it is misinformation through-and-through), but from my understanding, Mr. Koster himself denies the Deity of Jesus Christ, making him at best a heretic, and at worst an anti-Christ.
Take care,
Tom
Dr. Brown
My Israeli sister in Meshiach says that every time the Ruach HaKodesh is referred to it’s in the feminine. What is your answer to that?
YAH is short for YHVH or YHWH and shua taken from teshua means salvation. Thus Yahshua means YAH is salvation. The Son is named after His Father just as we name our sons after their fathers. Wonder where that originated?! What does the scripture mean “Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord if not
YAHshua is YAHWEH or YAHVEH for they are one!
YAHshua said He and the Father are one. We know that they are three in one yet one united. Also some do not agree including myself that the New Testament was originally written in Greek. The Hebrew language was spoken at that time because the Apostle Paul in Acts 22:2 spoke to them in Hebrew.
Anyway, the name/s of YAH are important today because we have many saying that Allah is GOD too just called by a different name which is a lie from the very real pit of hell. Pagan gods should never be confused with the one true GOD of Israel.
L
Almost last but certainly not least while attending the Brownsville revival you prayed for me as one among many and YAH manifested such golden glory anointing in me that I will never ever be the same! Thanks for the scripture you hand wrote in one of your books I purchased that says, “There are many plans in a man’s heart nevertheless the LORD’s counsel that will stand.” Prov.19:21 I have stood on that many times!
Most importantly is that we “know” HIM! And pluck those who do not out of the flames of eternal hell!
YAH’s blessings and favor!
Lynn
I have been checking out some of your posts and i must say nice stuff. I will make sure to bookmark your blog.
Hi Dr. Brown, I have much respect for you and your honesty. I would like to know what you think about the so-called star of David. In particular, in light of the fact that this appears to be the star of the god Remphan/Rephan/Chiun, which is basically satan. Is this not the sign of the synagogue of satan? And isn’t the Menorah the symbol of of God’s covenant? Thank you and God bless.