March 29, 2010

The Passover, “Easter,” and Jewish Roots

What Do Jewish People Think About Jesus?

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  1. Chuck,

    I think first day of the week means Sunday. I do not get your point.

    I think that the road to Emmaus happened on Sunday.

    I think Messiah ascended to His Father on Sunday.

    I think the Spirit was poured out on Sunday.

    I do not think that the early believers met on Sunday.

    I do not think that Sabbath is has been changed by YHWH.

    I do not think that something happening on Sunday that makes Sunday important.

    First fruits and Pentecost were happening on Sunday for thousands of years. Messiah fulfilled these appointed times of YHWH on the exact day.

    I do not think that “the day of the LORD” or “the LORD’s day” means sunday.

    Shalom

  2. Chuck,

    What do you do with these:

    Luke 9
    28 And it came to pass about an eight days after these sayings, he took Peter and John and James, and went up into a mountain to pray.

    Matthew 17
    1 And after six days Jesus taketh Peter, James, and John his brother, and bringeth them up into an high mountain apart,

    Mark 9
    2 And after six days Jesus taketh with him Peter, and James, and John, and leadeth them up into an high mountain apart by themselves: and he was transfigured before them.

    Was it 6 or 8 days after? Or is there a reconciliation?

    And these:

    John 13
    1 Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
    2 And supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him;
    21 When Jesus had thus said, he was troubled in spirit, and testified, and said, Verily, verily, I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
    22 Then the disciples looked one on another, doubting of whom he spake.
    23 Now there was leaning on Jesus’ bosom one of his disciples, whom Jesus loved.
    24 Simon Peter therefore beckoned to him, that he should ask who it should be of whom he spake.
    25 He then lying on Jesus’ breast saith unto him, Lord, who is it?

    Luke 22
    13 And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
    14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
    15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
    20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
    21 But, behold, the hand of him that betrayeth me is with me on the table.
    22 And truly the Son of man goeth, as it was determined: but woe unto that man by whom he is betrayed!
    23 And they began to enquire among themselves, which of them it was that should do this thing.

    Mark 14
    16 And his disciples went forth, and came into the city, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover.
    17 And in the evening he cometh with the twelve.
    18 And as they sat and did eat, Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, One of you which eateth with me shall betray me.
    19 And they began to be sorrowful, and to say unto him one by one, Is it I? and another said, Is it I?
    20 And he answered and said unto them, It is one of the twelve, that dippeth with me in the dish.

    Matthew 26
    19 And the disciples did as Jesus had appointed them; and they made ready the passover.
    20 Now when the even was come, he sat down with the twelve.
    21 And as they did eat, he said, Verily I say unto you, that one of you shall betray me.
    22 And they were exceeding sorrowful, and began every one of them to say unto him, Lord, is it I?
    23 And he answered and said, He that dippeth his hand with me in the dish, the same shall betray me.

    Was this on Passover or the day before? Or is there a reconciliation?

    And these:

    2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn , and the day star arise in your hearts:

    Luke 23
    54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew on .

    Matthew 28
    1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

    When does it draw on toward a new day? When does it dawn toward a new day? When is the dawn of the daytime?

    Strong’s #1306 is the Greek word for dawn. #2020 is the Greek word for draw close. A new day starts after sunset. The Sabbath was coming near as the preparation day sun was setting. The first day of the week was coming near as the Sabbath sun was setting. Looks like Messiah was into the tomb before a Sabbath started and out of the tomb before a Sabbath ended. One day if it was the same Sabbath. Or 2 if you count inclusively. But not 3.

    What about these:

    Luke 23
    56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment.

    Mark 16
    1 When the Sabbath was over, Mary of Magdala, Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, in order to come and anoint His body.

    How can they rest a Sabbath after buying spices and also prepare them before a Sabbath? Time machine?

    These come together nicely if we have a regular day between a feast day Sabbath and a weekly Sabbath. And low and behold, 3 full days and nights exist between the time of His death and resurrection. He was buried just before the feast of unleavened bread’s first day Sabbath and was out of the grave by the time the first day of the week began. Died on Wednesday and in the grave the evening and daytime of Thursday=one day, evening and daytime of Friday=2 days, evening and daytime of Sabbath=3 days. Then he tells Mary not to hold on to him before the sunrise on Sunday probably because He had not risen to His Father yet as the first fruits offering on the exact day. The day of the week is inconsequential.

    Shalom

  3. Chuck,

    Correction: The strong’s numbers didn’t appear after the words in the verses. I’ll put them in ().

    2 Peter 1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn(1306) , and the day star arise in your hearts:

    Luke 23
    54 And that day was the preparation, and the sabbath drew(2020) on .

    Matthew 28
    1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn(2020) toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

    When does it draw on toward a new day? When does it dawn toward a new day? When is the dawn of the daytime?

    Strong’s #1306 is the Greek word for dawn. #2020 is the Greek word for draw close. A new day starts after sunset. The Sabbath was coming near as the preparation day sun was setting. The first day of the week was coming near as the Sabbath sun was setting. Looks like Messiah was into the tomb before a Sabbath started and out of the tomb before a Sabbath ended. One day if it was the same Sabbath. Or 2 if you count inclusively. But not 3.

    Hopefully this helps you see 2020, Strong’s (2020) that is. 🙂

    Shalom

  4. Chuck,

    My point in the above passages, is that, if you think Luke is right and the rest or the gospels are wrong it would go against the two or three witnesses principle. If you cannot reconcile the passages that I listed, Luke would have to be considered wrong in a Biblical court. I think that the gospels are reconcilable. I also think that it is impossible to reconcile the others to Luke, but that it is possible to reconcile Luke to the others.

    This is all I have time to say right now, but if you will read that article about the early believers practices, I would appreciate your take on it.

    Shalom (btw what does peace out! mean?)

  5. Bo

    …if you think Luke is right and the rest or the gospels are wrong it would go against the two or three witnesses principle. If you cannot reconcile the passages that I listed, Luke would have to be considered wrong in a Biblical court. I think that the gospels are reconcilable.

    Its funny you bring up this witness principle theory. Something trinitarians or Sabbath keepers always seem to ignore. 🙂

  6. Chuck,

    You are not dealing with your average Sabbath keeper?

    I may have time to work on a more suitable answer soon. Please be patient as I am revisiting the vast body of scripture on the topic so as to be up to speed enough to dialogue with you.

    Please see if you can take the time to read the link I posted and read what I have posted above while you are eagerly awaiting my response. 🙂

    Shalom

  7. Erika, on your #46. Paul uses many analogies for his inclusions and exclusions of the family tree of God, the Commonwealth of Israel, the building together which includes the chief Cornerstone, the body of the Messiah, the One New Man, etc. Though your reasoning seems logical, it is not what Paul wrote. The family tree of God analogy in Romans includes, in its depiction, the breaking off of Israel’s branches, so, how are Gentile believers assimilated with them? Gentiles are grafted in, not broken off. The point Paul makes is clarified elsewhere and thereby by the notion of inclusion and the Commonwealth, where Irish are still Irish, and English still English, yet under the same Crown so to speak. Paul is making an analogy, not a shapeshifting of what God has established by boundaries and creation. Read what Paul said on the subject of people groups and boundaries on Mars Hill.

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